Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I'm now more interested in psychological studies to find why people get 
so upset with folks who like to investigate things like 9-11.  It seems 
to be some form of psychosis.  If I'm a truther does that make you a 
liar? :-D


BTW, we're not being smug, just raising questions and trying to make 
folks aware of some things.  The smugness is in your head.


On 10/12/2014 11:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote viewing 
site and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is.



The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting 
for authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. 
And then asks you to take his word for it! The following babble is 
unbelievably clueless, talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, 
battling alien races (where did they go and why did they leave no 
trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to solve what isn't really a 
mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and the stone was 
quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and chisels, 
loads of which are lying around still.



Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 9/11 
truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid sheeple 
for believing the authorities version of what happened. They never 
finish the sentence by saying we should follow their authority 
instead. And a highly unorthodox and impossible to verify one at that.



I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit them 
with enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know it's a 
backhanded compliment but it does us no credit to assume that just 
because we couldn't get organisation like that together there's no way 
they could have, we didn't have the sort of devotional society they 
had. They may not even have had minds that worked in the same way as us.



Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. Don't 
let other people do your thinking for you, Brown's claim that the 
smart people in the military don't abandon things that don't work is 
correct, which is why they stopped research with these guys in the 
first place, and that was just for stuff they were looking for in 
Afghanistan, these guys are talking about things that happened decades 
or millennia ago and just taking the visions as fact!



His smugness and conviction might distract some from the fact there is 
no corroborating evidence but that's the first thing I look for when 
faced with a revolutionary idea. So I'll wait till someone digs up 
some of the aliens that allegedly helped or anything that shows that 
people couldn't have done it unaided but we already know they did! I 
remain unconvinced.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 I'm now more interested in psychological studies to find why people get so 
upset with folks who like to investigate things like 9-11.  It seems to be some 
form of psychosis.  If I'm a truther does that make you a liar? :-D 
 

 Upset? Not me, I'm investigating it too, or rather I'm checking the claims 
made by people who think they can find answers by looking into the past 
somehow. So far I can't see that that is what they are doing. Are the 9/11 
claims more realistic than the Egyptian ones? With the lack of corroborating 
evidence it seems the only way to agree is if you've decided there is a 
conspiracy of some sort anyway, it's not like there is a measurable standard of 
evidence being used here.
 
 BTW, we're not being smug, just raising questions and trying to make folks 
aware of some things.  The smugness is in your head.
 
 That was an observation not an accusation. But do seem unaware that what you 
have about 9/11 is unproven accusations and not any sort of proof.
 
But the guy in the video is very smug, and very elitist. The whole thing smacks 
of a we are smarter than you because we know this and you stupid people just 
swallow what the 'authorities' tell you. I either agree with Courtney Brown or 
I'm letting other people think for me. I see another choice. 
 

 What all this basically lacks is an explanation of just where the past is 
supposed to be. The second law of thermodynamics tells us it aint there no 
more, so just where these guys go in their heads is beyond me. And there's no 
corroborating evidence for the claims made obviously. And an explanation for 
how it might work, even in linear time, might be nice.
 

 But as I always say, we need to sort the signal from the noise and that will 
take corrobarative evidence, maybe they could point to where something made of 
an alien technology is buried so we could go dig it up? That would be 
convincing. But as it is they are making an argument from personal incredulity 
and should spend a bit more time reading about Egypt before concluding our 
ancestors couldn't have done it all themselves. Egyptologists (the authorities) 
hate the Johnny-come-lately's who stroll onto the Giza plateau and declare 
aliens must have been involved or whatever. 
 

 I wish history was all as easy to understand as RVers claim and this is the 
problem, they claim it's efficient knowledge and better than that gained by 
trained archaeologists. Can you imagine if this sort of thinking took over the 
education system? The internet is where this belongs, and all that that 
entails.. ...
 

 Conclusion: I don't think this is a good place to look if you want answers to 
what you see as the questions about 9/11. Or anything.
 

 
 On 10/12/2014 11:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote viewing site 
and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is. 
 
 
 The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting for 
authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. And then asks 
you to take his word for it! The following babble is unbelievably clueless, 
talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, battling alien races (where did 
they go and why did they leave no trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to 
solve what isn't really a mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and 
the stone was quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and 
chisels, loads of which are lying around still.
 
 
 Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 9/11 
truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid sheeple for 
believing the authorities version of what happened. They never finish the 
sentence by saying we should follow their authority instead. And a highly 
unorthodox and impossible to verify one at that.
 
 
 I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit them with 
enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know it's a backhanded 
compliment but it does us no credit to assume that just because we couldn't get 
organisation like that together there's no way they could have, we didn't have 
the sort of devotional society they had. They may not even have had minds that 
worked in the same way as us. 
 
 
 Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. Don't let 
other people do your thinking for you, Brown's claim that the smart people in 
the military don't abandon things that don't work is correct, which is why they 
stopped research with these guys in the first place, and that was just for 
stuff they were looking for in Afghanistan, these guys are talking about things 
that happened decades or millennia ago and just taking the visions as fact! 
 
 
 His smugness and conviction might distract some from the fact there is no 
corroborating evidence but that's the first thing I look for when faced with a 
revolutionary idea. So I'll wait 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/12/2014 1:07 PM, salyavin808 wrote:


Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote viewing 
site and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is.




/You failed to address the important issue, again: was the WTC attack an 
inside job in a conspiracy with the U.S. Government and the Israeli 
Mossad? According to Duveyoung, if you don't believe this you are 
FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD./


If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE 
FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD.


Duveyoung Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:02:10 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg332298.html

O'Keefe denied the plausibility that the September 11 attacks were 
committed by Osama bin Laden and the 19 hijackers. He claimed it was an 
inside job and that the US government and intelligence agencies, 
including Mossad were responsible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O%27Keefe

Subject: OT: Israel
From: John Manning
Group: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 8/8/2003
http://tinyurl.com/qf5x6t9

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/911-myths




The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting 
for authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. 
And then asks you to take his word for it! The following babble is 
unbelievably clueless, talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, 
battling alien races (where did they go and why did they leave no 
trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to solve what isn't really a 
mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and the stone was 
quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and chisels, 
loads of which are lying around still.



Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 9/11 
truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid sheeple 
for believing the authorities version of what happened. They never 
finish the sentence by saying we should follow their authority 
instead. And a highly unorthodox and impossible to verify one at that.



I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit them 
with enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know it's a 
backhanded compliment but it does us no credit to assume that just 
because we couldn't get organisation like that together there's no way 
they could have, we didn't have the sort of devotional society they 
had. They may not even have had minds that worked in the same way as us.



Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. Don't 
let other people do your thinking for you, Brown's claim that the 
smart people in the military don't abandon things that don't work is 
correct, which is why they stopped research with these guys in the 
first place, and that was just for stuff they were looking for in 
Afghanistan, these guys are talking about things that happened decades 
or millennia ago and just taking the visions as fact!



His smugness and conviction might distract some from the fact there is 
no corroborating evidence but that's the first thing I look for when 
faced with a revolutionary idea. So I'll wait till someone digs up 
some of the aliens that allegedly helped or anything that shows that 
people couldn't have done it unaided but we already know they did! I 
remain unconvinced.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, Courtney can be a little hard to take but I watched the videos to 
see how they were doing their RV.  I got the real deal in tantra but 
we just call it intuition and the different ways you use it.


On 10/12/2014 01:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

I'm now more interested in psychological studies to find why people 
get so upset with folks who like to investigate things like 9-11.  It 
seems to be some form of psychosis.  If I'm a truther does that make 
you a liar? :-D


Upset? Not me, I'm investigating it too, or rather I'm checking the 
claims made by people who think they can find answers by looking into 
the past somehow. So far I can't see that that is what they are doing. 
Are the 9/11 claims more realistic than the Egyptian ones? With the 
lack of corroborating evidence it seems the only way to agree is if 
you've decided there is a conspiracy of some sort anyway, it's not 
like there is a measurable standard of evidence being used here.


BTW, we're not being smug, just raising questions and trying to make 
folks aware of some things.  The smugness is in your head.


That was an observation not an accusation. But do seem unaware that 
what you have about 9/11 is unproven accusations and not any sort of 
proof.


But the guy in the video is /very/ smug, and /very/ elitist. The whole 
thing smacks of a we are smarter than you because we know this and 
you stupid people just swallow what the 'authorities' tell you. I 
either agree with Courtney Brown or I'm letting other people think for 
me. I see another choice.


What all this basically lacks is an explanation of just where the past 
is supposed to be. The second law of thermodynamics tells us it aint 
there no more, so just where these guys go in their heads is beyond 
me. And there's no corroborating evidence for the claims made 
obviously. And an explanation for how it might work, even in linear 
time, might be nice.


But as I always say, we need to sort the signal from the noise and 
that will take corrobarative evidence, maybe they could point to where 
something made of an alien technology is buried so we could go dig it 
up? That would be convincing. But as it is they are making an argument 
from personal incredulity and should spend a bit more time reading 
about Egypt before concluding our ancestors couldn't have done it all 
themselves. Egyptologists (the authorities) hate the 
Johnny-come-lately's who stroll onto the Giza plateau and declare 
aliens must have been involved or whatever.


I wish history was all as easy to understand as RVers claim and this 
is the problem, they claim it's efficient knowledge and better than 
that gained by trained archaeologists. Can you imagine if this sort of 
thinking took over the education system? The internet is where this 
belongs, and all that that entails.. ...


Conclusion: I don't think this is a good place to look if you want 
answers to what you see as the questions about 9/11. Or anything.



On 10/12/2014 11:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote viewing 
site and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is.



The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting 
for authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. 
And then asks you to take his word for it! The following babble is 
unbelievably clueless, talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, 
battling alien races (where did they go and why did they leave no 
trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to solve what isn't really a 
mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and the stone was 
quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and chisels, 
loads of which are lying around still.



Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 9/11 
truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid sheeple 
for believing the authorities version of what happened. They never 
finish the sentence by saying we should follow their authority 
instead. And a highly unorthodox and impossible to verify one at that.



I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit 
them with enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know 
it's a backhanded compliment but it does us no credit to assume that 
just because we couldn't get organisation like that together there's 
no way they could have, we didn't have the sort of devotional society 
they had. They may not even have had minds that worked in the same 
way as us.



Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. 
Don't let other people do your thinking for you, Brown's claim that 
the smart people in the military don't abandon things that don't work 
is correct, which is why they stopped research with these guys in the 
first place, and that was just for stuff they were looking for in 
Afghanistan, these guys are talking about things that happened 
decades or millennia 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/12/2014 2:49 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:




I'm now more interested in psychological studies to find why people 
get so upset with folks who like to investigate things like 9-11.


/So, now you've changed your mind about the conspiracy and you admit 
there was an attack on the WTC using planes? //

///
It seems to be some form of psychosis.  If I'm a truther does that 
make you a liar? :-D


/Non sequitur. It has already been established that ///If you don't 
agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED UP IN THE 
HEAD.///


Duveyoung Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:02:10 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg332298.html/



BTW, we're not being smug, just raising questions and trying to make 
folks aware of some things.  The smugness is in your head.


/O'Keefe denied the plausibility that the September 11 attacks were 
committed by Osama bin Laden and the 19 hijackers. He claimed it was an 
inside job and that the US government and intelligence agencies, 
including Mossad were responsible./


/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O%27Keefe/




On 10/12/2014 11:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote viewing 
site and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is.



The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting 
for authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. 
And then asks you to take his word for it! The following babble is 
unbelievably clueless, talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, 
battling alien races (where did they go and why did they leave no 
trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to solve what isn't really a 
mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and the stone was 
quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and chisels, 
loads of which are lying around still.



Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 9/11 
truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid sheeple 
for believing the authorities version of what happened. They never 
finish the sentence by saying we should follow their authority 
instead. And a highly unorthodox and impossible to verify one at that.



I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit 
them with enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know 
it's a backhanded compliment but it does us no credit to assume that 
just because we couldn't get organisation like that together there's 
no way they could have, we didn't have the sort of devotional society 
they had. They may not even have had minds that worked in the same 
way as us.



Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. 
Don't let other people do your thinking for you, Brown's claim that 
the smart people in the military don't abandon things that don't work 
is correct, which is why they stopped research with these guys in the 
first place, and that was just for stuff they were looking for in 
Afghanistan, these guys are talking about things that happened 
decades or millennia ago and just taking the visions as fact!



His smugness and conviction might distract some from the fact there 
is no corroborating evidence but that's the first thing I look for 
when faced with a revolutionary idea. So I'll wait till someone digs 
up some of the aliens that allegedly helped or anything that shows 
that people couldn't have done it unaided but we already know they 
did! I remain unconvinced.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Not so Farsighted...

2014-10-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/12/2014 5:16 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Yeah, Courtney can be a little hard to take but I watched the videos 
to see how they were doing their RV.  I got the real deal in tantra 
but we just call it intuition and the different ways you use it.


/You are not even making any sense today. Was your tantra teacher a 
Truther? It would make an interesting study to find out why a tantra 
teacher would be teaching conspiracy theories instead of giving out 
mantras. Go figure./




On 10/12/2014 01:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

I'm now more interested in psychological studies to find why people 
get so upset with folks who like to investigate things like 9-11.  It 
seems to be some form of psychosis.  If I'm a truther does that 
make you a liar? :-D


Upset? Not me, I'm investigating it too, or rather I'm checking the 
claims made by people who think they can find answers by looking into 
the past somehow. So far I can't see that that is what they are 
doing. Are the 9/11 claims more realistic than the Egyptian ones? 
With the lack of corroborating evidence it seems the only way to 
agree is if you've decided there is a conspiracy of some sort anyway, 
it's not like there is a measurable standard of evidence being used here.


BTW, we're not being smug, just raising questions and trying to make 
folks aware of some things. The smugness is in your head.


That was an observation not an accusation. But do seem unaware that 
what you have about 9/11 is unproven accusations and not any sort of 
proof.


But the guy in the video is /very/ smug, and /very/ elitist. The 
whole thing smacks of a we are smarter than you because we know this 
and you stupid people just swallow what the 'authorities' tell you. 
I either agree with Courtney Brown or I'm letting other people think 
for me. I see another choice.


What all this basically lacks is an explanation of just where the 
past is supposed to be. The second law of thermodynamics tells us it 
aint there no more, so just where these guys go in their heads is 
beyond me. And there's no corroborating evidence for the claims made 
obviously. And an explanation for how it might work, even in linear 
time, might be nice.


But as I always say, we need to sort the signal from the noise and 
that will take corrobarative evidence, maybe they could point to 
where something made of an alien technology is buried so we could go 
dig it up? That would be convincing. But as it is they are making an 
argument from personal incredulity and should spend a bit more time 
reading about Egypt before concluding our ancestors couldn't have 
done it all themselves. Egyptologists (the authorities) hate the 
Johnny-come-lately's who stroll onto the Giza plateau and declare 
aliens must have been involved or whatever.


I wish history was all as easy to understand as RVers claim and this 
is the problem, they claim it's efficient knowledge and better than 
that gained by trained archaeologists. Can you imagine if this sort 
of thinking took over the education system? The internet is where 
this belongs, and all that that entails.. ...


Conclusion: I don't think this is a good place to look if you want 
answers to what you see as the questions about 9/11. Or anything.



On 10/12/2014 11:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

Well Bhairitu, I've started perusing the videos on the remote 
viewing site and it's hard to convey how unimpressive it is.



The Pyramid one for instance starts with a lecture about not waiting 
for authority to disclose things but finding them out for yourself. 
And then asks you to take his word for it! The following babble is 
unbelievably clueless, talk of using sound to hover blocks of stone, 
battling alien races (where did they go and why did they leave no 
trace?) and worldwide slave labour! All to solve what isn't really a 
mystery - the pyramids weren't built with slaves and the stone was 
quarried nearby in the usual fashion with bronze axes and chisels, 
loads of which are lying around still.



Pervading it all is this same elite smugness that I see with the 
9/11 truthers. That only they know the truth and you are stupid 
sheeple for believing the authorities version of what happened. 
They never finish the sentence by saying we should follow their 
authority instead. And a highly unorthodox and impossible to verify 
one at that.



I always found it insulting to our ancestors that we can't credit 
them with enough wherewithal to build a few huge monuments, I know 
it's a backhanded compliment but it does us no credit to assume that 
just because we couldn't get organisation like that together there's 
no way they could have, we didn't have the sort of devotional 
society they had. They may not even have had minds that worked in 
the same way as us.



Whatever the RV'ers daydream, the pyramids were built by humans. 
Don't let other people do your thinking for you,