This guy sure doesn't look persecuted... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :
Yeah, right, all those poor, persecuted Christians having to hide their faith. Give me a break. And unless they're using a loudspeaker, how can you be sure they're even Christian? They could be praying to (gasp) Satan, for all you know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : I imagine there is a certain amount of civil disobedience involved, such as not having to *hide* your faith from the public. And this is the real problem, isn't it? It's not really that they are violating Christ's prescription for personal prayer. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Praying football coach Fine, do it off the field in the clubhouse. There's no need to do it in public. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : I believe the article says he prayed *after* the game. Growing up, it was normal for coaches to lead teams in prayer, not asking for victory but protection from injury for all players and a spirit of good sportsmanship. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Praying football coach ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : He did give thanks to God a few times in public, but other than that, he's described in the Gospels as praying by himself. It *is* against what Jesus taught. Am I missing something here? You say he did it but then he was against it. I said he *didn't* pray in public other than giving thanks a few times. And the coach was ostentatiously praying in public at a *football game*, for pete's sake, not a session of Congress. As if who wins a football game was high on God's list of priorities! His mission was that no man needed another, as an intercessory. He was the intercessory between man and God. The vail in the temple was torn upon his death. No man needed a priest to intercede. Martin Luther busted the Catholic Church for doing the same. Yes, people should pray it privacy, daily but he wasn't against group prayer or prayer in public the coach was doing, to make a big public display of how supposedly devout he is. Contemptible. You're ascribing motive not proven. Public prayer has been a tradition for ages. Check your congressional record. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Praying football coach What I quoted is from the Sermon on the Mount. He goes on right after those verses and one about not using "vain repetitions" to tell his audience what to pray in private: the Lord's Prayer. That's obviously not Jesus "praying in public." What he was against was praying in public "to be seen by men," as he says in what I quoted. And that's exactly what No, it's not against the Constitution. I didn't say it was. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Of course you know who the hypocrites were that Jesus was referring to, the temple priests and pharisees who were arrogant and dressed in their finery and tried to impress the public with their knowledge of the Torah. Bull- shit artists.Pay for play. You go to the temple, they tell you your sins and and what sacrifices needed to be done. Then you bought your lamb from them with coinage that you changed into acceptable coinage, at a price, for them. It was a racket. Jesus prayed in public a lot. Remember the sermon on the mount? Buddha made the same observations about the Brahmins and their system of yagyas , pay for play. The coach wasn't making any money off of anyone. Simply setting an example. Maybe even an example of civil disobedience. His freedom to exercise his religion freely, speak freely, and gather peaceably with others voluntarily, were being denied. A God given right, granted in the constitution by the Bill of Rights. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Praying football coach "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray...on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. But http://biblehub.com/greek/1161.htm when http://biblehub.com/greek/3752.htm you pray, http://biblehub.com/greek/4336.htm go http://biblehub.com/greek/1525.htm into http://biblehub.com/greek/1519.htm your http://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm inner room, http://biblehub.com/greek/5009.htm shut http://biblehub.com/greek/2808.htm your http://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm door, http://biblehub.com/greek/2374.htm and pray http://biblehub.com/greek/4336.htm to http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm your http://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm Father, http://biblehub.com/greek/3962.htm who is http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm unseen. http://biblehub.com/greek/2927.htm And http://biblehub.com/greek/2532.htm your http://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm Father, http://biblehub.com/greek/3962.htm who http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm sees http://biblehub.com/greek/991.htm what is done http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm in secret, http://biblehub.com/greek/2927.htm will reward http://biblehub.com/greek/591.htm you. http://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm"; --Matthew 6:5-6 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : The Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise there of;or abridging the freedom of speech or press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble yada yada yada. If I were president, my justice department would throw everyone of the school board members in jail for denying the coach and his players the right to express their religious convictions, denying their free speech,and right to peaceably assemble. From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 7:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Praying football coach Christian football coach loses job after praying at games. (he first prayed for some 15-20 sec after each game right on the 50 yard line; not privately). Then, team members joined in. Coach Joe says it's all voluntary. No! ....when your team members start engaging in group activities, whatever that may be (even "God" forbid - gang rapes), there's an incentive resulting from peer pressure to participate otherwise risk being shunned. ... I've seen the same phenomenon on real-life prison documentaries. Prisoners sometimes are "encouraged" to pray in special sessions where they hold hands and praise God. OK, fine; but try not attending the prayer group. Next thing you'll get a shank in the gut for being a nonconformist. Joe Kennedy, praying high school football coach, sues district to get his job back http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/joe-kennedy-praying-high-school-football-coach-sue/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/joe-kennedy-praying-high-school-football-coach-sue/ Joe Kennedy, praying high school football coach, sues ... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/joe-kennedy-praying-high-school-football-coach-sue/ A former high school football coach has filed a federal lawsuit against a Washington state school district after he lost his job for praying on the 50-yard li... View on www.washingtontime... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/joe-kennedy-praying-high-school-football-coach-sue/ Preview by Yahoo
