Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/13/2014 10:37 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 What amateurish bullshit.
It looks like our emptybill doesn't practice TM anymore; has never 
studied any Zen under a teacher; and it looks like Bill confused the 
Tibetan vajra for the bell. We all get confused sometimes, but spending 
5-6 years learning how to perform a Hindu ritual to a phallus? Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 1/13/2014 10:53 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Does this mean the bull is inexperienced, clumsy, a greenhorn at 
taking a crap?


It sure didn't take this thread about Zen long to turn into a pile of 
manure. Good work Ann and Bill!


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard Williams
Wind flag, mind moves,
The same understanding.
When the mouth opens
All are wrong. - Mumon


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Zen, Dzogchen and TM

 [image: Inline image 1]

 Inside the Shambhala Meditation Center, Boulder CO

 According to Beaulah Smith, I am TMer #214 in the U.S. I'm on the SIMS
 list at 1015 Gayley in Westwood, CA. I have a receipt for $35 signed by
 Jerry Jarvis. I had already completed a course in Japanese Judo at the Y
 before I tried TM and I had also studied with a Mexican-American shaman for
 four years (see my bio posted on Google Groups). When I realized how
 effective TM was, I got interested in learning something more about
 meditation techniques - the TM worked, but Iwanted to find out exactly what
 I was doing. So, I went down to the Bodhi Tree bookstore and bought MMY's
 books and a copy of Autobiography of a Yogi. The next year I moved to San
 Francisco where I learned about Soto Zen by sitting with a roshi at the
 SFZC.

 Also, about this time I started reading about Tibetan Yoga and secret
 doctrines. I met a lama in Marin County who taught me how to perform the
 Tibetan puja. Later in Boulder I learned to meditate at the Shambhala
 Meditation Center. So, this is a report by a pracitioner and commentator
 based on forty years of research and practice:

 So, let's sum up what we know:

 TM, or meditation that is transcendental, is based on thinking. It has
 been described by MMY as the experiencing of a thought, just like any
 other thought, in finer and finer states, until the finest and most subtle
 state of thought is experienced. This passing back and forth between the
 gross and subtle states of thinking leads to a state where thought
 naturally drops off altogether. When this happens the meditator is said to
 be experiencing a state of restful alertness, a condition where the mind
 enjoys just Being: no thought, no mental activity, just resting in a state
 of mental equipoise.

 Are we agreed so far?

 At the subtlest level of creation is an unlimited reservoir of energy and
 intelligence. MMY once said: How to just Be? Stop being active, but don't
 become passive!

 There is an old Zen proverb: Just sitting. Doing nothing.

 According Sogyal Rinpoche, in his great book, The Tibetan Book of Living
 and Dying, meditation is simply resting, undistracted, in the View, once
 it has been introduced. His teacher Dudjom Rinpoche, once described
 meditation as being attentive to a state of 'Rigpa', experiencing, free
 from all mental constructions, whilst remaining fully relaxed, without any
 distraction or grasping. Meditation states Rinpoche, is not striving,
 but naturally becoming assimilated into it.

 Meditation means simply to 'think things over'. We all meditate to a
 certain degree already, and, we're transcending all the time. In fact, we
 couldn't go through a single day without at least once or twice pausing to
 take stock of our own mental mind-stuff. The problem is that we don't do
 this in a very  systematic manner.

 According to Sogyal Rinpoche, At present our Rigpa is a little baby,
 stranded on the battlefield of strong arising thoughts. The whole point of
 Dzogchen meditation practice is to strengthen and stabilize Rigpa, and
 allow it to grow to full maturity. What's needed is a way of tapping into
 that Rigpa - the source of unlimited creativity and intelligence that lies
 within. Dzogchen is that technique!

 My conclusion:

 TM is similar to Tibetan Dzogchen and Japanese Zen. Meditation is not what
 you think: neither TM, Dzogchen, or Zen can bring enlightenment. The fact
 is that you're not going to get any more enlightenment than you're going to
 get. MMY has emphatically stated that TM is NOT the cause of the
 enlightened state. Enlightenment is there already in a fully formed latent
 state, ready to spring forth when the right opportunity presents itself.
 All it needs is the ideal opportunity to reveal itself. Our Guru SBS, put
 it this way: Brahman is self-effulgent; it needs no other light to
 illuminate it. Sogyal Rinpoche says: I like to say we have to begin by
 babysitting our Rigpa, in the secure environment of meditation.

 Suzuki Roshi instructed his students to Just sit. This sitting IS
 enlightenment. The point is that you can call your technique anything you
 want to, TM, Dzogchen or Zen, or anything else, however, any technique
 which provides the opportunity for transcending is a meditation that is
 transcendental. Meditation is just what intelligent people do!
 Work Cited:

 The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying
 By Sogyal Rinpoche
 HarperCollins, 2002
 p. 163


 On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 According to the The Pali Canon, which is the oldest known teachings of
 the historical Buddha, meditation is mentioned numerous times. Other types
 of meditation taught by the Buddha are also found in the found in ancient
 commentary Visuddhimagga

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 1/13/2014 10:37 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
  What amateurish bullshit.
 It looks like our emptybill doesn't practice TM anymore; has never 
 studied any Zen under a teacher; and it looks like Bill confused the 
 Tibetan vajra for the bell. We all get confused sometimes, but spending 
 5-6 years learning how to perform a Hindu ritual to a phallus? Go figure.
 

 Now Ricky, try and be understanding. Most of the world pays homage to 
phalluses every day of their lives - either to their own or to those that they 
hope they might embrace one day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 1/13/2014 10:53 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Does this mean the bull is inexperienced, clumsy, a greenhorn at taking a 
crap? 
 It sure didn't take this thread about Zen long to turn into a pile of manure. 
Good work Ann and Bill!
 Well, dear boy, sometimes you can't make anything but manure out of manure. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 1/14/2014 8:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Now Ricky, try and be understanding. Most of the world pays homage to 
phalluses every day of their lives - either to their own or to those 
that they hope they might embrace one day.

.
Yeah, but not very many yogis mistake the pointing finger for the moon 
itself. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 1/14/2014 8:49 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, dear boy, sometimes you can't make anything but manure out of 
manure.


Let's see if we can dumb this down for you Ann: Zen is just like TM 
practice, and similar to Tibetan Dzogchen.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 1/14/2014 8:49 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Well, dear boy, sometimes you can't make anything but manure out of manure. 
 Let's see if we can dumb this down for you Ann: Zen is just like TM practice, 
and similar to Tibetan Dzogchen.
 You couldn't make it any dumber than it already is, Ricky. The dumb part is 
actually fighting over it. You win, you know more about Zen than I do but do 
you know more than Empty? That seems to be what your pissing match is all 
about.  



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 1/14/2014 8:44 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Now Ricky, try and be understanding. Most of the world pays homage to 
phalluses every day of their lives - either to their own or to those that they 
hope they might embrace one day. .
 Yeah, but not very many yogis mistake the pointing finger for the moon itself. 
Go figure.
 That, I wouldn't know about.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 1/14/2014 10:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
you know more about Zen than I do but do you know more than Empty? 


Actually if you know about TM you already know quite a bit about Zen 
practice. In Zen terms, having a pure mind simply means realizing one's 
true nature.


But, it looks like Empty is kind of confused about the emptiness 
part, judging by what he posts here. For example he didn't seem to 
realize the difference between basic Buddhist tantra and Hindu tantra. 
Everyone knows that the term shakti isn't even used n Tibetan 
Buddhism. In the male-female polarity symbolism of Tibetan Buddhism, the 
female aspect is the wisdom aspect and the male aspect is the active. In


The source is the pure Mind before it gets stirred up or begins to 
vibrate in the form of a thought.


The Zennist:
February 28, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/77d24tu


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Share Long
That's interesting, Richard because Maharishi explains Purusha as infinite 
silence and Prakriti as infinite dynamism. 





On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:10 PM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 1/14/2014 10:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

you know more about Zen than I do but do you know more than Empty? 

Actually if you know about TM you already know quite a bit about Zen
practice. In Zen terms, having a pure mind simply means realizing
one's true nature.

But, it looks like Empty is kind of confused about the emptiness
part, judging by what he posts here. For example he didn't seem to
realize the difference between basic Buddhist tantra and Hindu
tantra. Everyone knows that the term shakti isn't even used n
Tibetan Buddhism. In the male-female polarity symbolism of Tibetan
Buddhism, the female aspect is the wisdom aspect and the male aspect
is the active. In 

The source is the pure Mind before it gets stirred up or begins to
vibrate in the form of a thought.

The Zennist:
February 28, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/77d24tu



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-14 Thread Richard Williams
It's like a Zen koan:

[image: Inline image 1]

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A boy
attendant began to imitate him in this way. When anyone asked the boy what
his master had preached about, the boy would raise his finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. He seized him and cut off his finger.
The boy cried and ran away. Gutei called and stopped him. When the boy
turned his head to Gutei, Gutei raised up his own finger. In that instant
the boy was enlightened.

When Gutei was about to pass from this world he gathered his monks around
him. `I attained my finger-Zen,' he said, `from my teacher Tenryu, and in
my whole life I could not exhaust it.' Then he passed away.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:



 That's interesting, Richard because Maharishi explains Purusha as infinite
 silence and Prakriti as infinite dynamism.



   On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:10 PM, Richard J. Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

   On 1/14/2014 10:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 you know more about Zen than I do but do you know more than Empty?

 
 Actually if you know about TM you already know quite a bit about Zen
 practice. In Zen terms, having a pure mind simply means realizing one's
 true nature.

 But, it looks like Empty is kind of confused about the emptiness part,
 judging by what he posts here. For example he didn't seem to realize the
 difference between basic Buddhist tantra and Hindu tantra. Everyone knows
 that the term shakti isn't even used n Tibetan Buddhism. In the
 male-female polarity symbolism of Tibetan Buddhism, the female aspect is
 the wisdom aspect and the male aspect is the active. In

 The source is the pure Mind before it gets stirred up or begins to
 vibrate in the form of a thought.

 The Zennist:
 February 28, 2007
 http://tinyurl.com/77d24tu






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-13 Thread Richard Williams
Zen, Dzogchen and TM

[image: Inline image 1]

Inside the Shambhala Meditation Center, Boulder CO

According to Beaulah Smith, I am TMer #214 in the U.S. I'm on the SIMS list
at 1015 Gayley in Westwood, CA. I have a receipt for $35 signed by Jerry
Jarvis. I had already completed a course in Japanese Judo at the Y before I
tried TM and I had also studied with a Mexican-American shaman for four
years (see my bio posted on Google Groups). When I realized how effective
TM was, I got interested in learning something more about meditation
techniques - the TM worked, but Iwanted to find out exactly what I was
doing. So, I went down to the Bodhi Tree bookstore and bought MMY's books
and a copy of Autobiography of a Yogi. The next year I moved to San
Francisco where I learned about Soto Zen by sitting with a roshi at the
SFZC.

Also, about this time I started reading about Tibetan Yoga and secret
doctrines. I met a lama in Marin County who taught me how to perform the
Tibetan puja. Later in Boulder I learned to meditate at the Shambhala
Meditation Center. So, this is a report by a pracitioner and commentator
based on forty years of research and practice:

So, let's sum up what we know:

TM, or meditation that is transcendental, is based on thinking. It has been
described by MMY as the experiencing of a thought, just like any other
thought, in finer and finer states, until the finest and most subtle state
of thought is experienced. This passing back and forth between the gross
and subtle states of thinking leads to a state where thought naturally
drops off altogether. When this happens the meditator is said to be
experiencing a state of restful alertness, a condition where the mind
enjoys just Being: no thought, no mental activity, just resting in a state
of mental equipoise.

Are we agreed so far?

At the subtlest level of creation is an unlimited reservoir of energy and
intelligence. MMY once said: How to just Be? Stop being active, but don't
become passive!

There is an old Zen proverb: Just sitting. Doing nothing.

According Sogyal Rinpoche, in his great book, The Tibetan Book of Living
and Dying, meditation is simply resting, undistracted, in the View, once
it has been introduced. His teacher Dudjom Rinpoche, once described
meditation as being attentive to a state of 'Rigpa', experiencing, free
from all mental constructions, whilst remaining fully relaxed, without any
distraction or grasping. Meditation states Rinpoche, is not striving,
but naturally becoming assimilated into it.

Meditation means simply to 'think things over'. We all meditate to a
certain degree already, and, we're transcending all the time. In fact, we
couldn't go through a single day without at least once or twice pausing to
take stock of our own mental mind-stuff. The problem is that we don't do
this in a very  systematic manner.

According to Sogyal Rinpoche, At present our Rigpa is a little baby,
stranded on the battlefield of strong arising thoughts. The whole point of
Dzogchen meditation practice is to strengthen and stabilize Rigpa, and
allow it to grow to full maturity. What's needed is a way of tapping into
that Rigpa - the source of unlimited creativity and intelligence that lies
within. Dzogchen is that technique!

My conclusion:

TM is similar to Tibetan Dzogchen and Japanese Zen. Meditation is not what
you think: neither TM, Dzogchen, or Zen can bring enlightenment. The fact
is that you're not going to get any more enlightenment than you're going to
get. MMY has emphatically stated that TM is NOT the cause of the
enlightened state. Enlightenment is there already in a fully formed latent
state, ready to spring forth when the right opportunity presents itself.
All it needs is the ideal opportunity to reveal itself. Our Guru SBS, put
it this way: Brahman is self-effulgent; it needs no other light to
illuminate it. Sogyal Rinpoche says: I like to say we have to begin by
babysitting our Rigpa, in the secure environment of meditation.

Suzuki Roshi instructed his students to Just sit. This sitting IS
enlightenment. The point is that you can call your technique anything you
want to, TM, Dzogchen or Zen, or anything else, however, any technique
which provides the opportunity for transcending is a meditation that is
transcendental. Meditation is just what intelligent people do!
Work Cited:

The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying
By Sogyal Rinpoche
HarperCollins, 2002
p. 163


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 According to the The Pali Canon, which is the oldest known teachings of
 the historical Buddha, meditation is mentioned numerous times. Other types
 of meditation taught by the Buddha are also found in the found in ancient
 commentary Visuddhimagga

 Practice in detail here:

 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/library/http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/burns/wheel088.html#other


 On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 [image: Inline image 1]
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-05 Thread Richard Williams
According to the The Pali Canon, which is the oldest known teachings of the
historical Buddha, meditation is mentioned numerous times. Other types of
meditation taught by the Buddha are also found in the found in ancient
commentary Visuddhimagga

Practice in detail here:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/library/http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/burns/wheel088.html#other


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 [image: Inline image 1]
 Sumi painting by Shunryo Suzuki

 Zen Master Dogen got the Soto Zen practice from his teacher in China -
 Dogen was a master linguist and the author of 'Shobogenzo' in which he
 describes in detail the Soto Zen practice - sitting meditation. In Dogen's
 Zen practice, the primary realization is the *oneness* of
 practice-enlightenment. The practice of zazen and the experience of
 enlightenment are one and the same - there is no difference - no
 duality.According to Georg Feurerstein, the Buddha Shakya the Muni was the
 first historical yogin in India - Buddha taught meditation that was
 transcendental.

 It' s like a Zen koan:

 Wind flag, mind moves,
 The same understanding.
 When the mouth opens
 All are wrong. - Mumon

 The practice of 'just sitting' is non-different from the enlightenment -
 there is no gap between your practice and your enlightenment. Just sitting
 IS enlightenment. Zazen is not step-by-step process - it is all-at-once or
 nothing at all. There are no steps along the way. According to Shunryo
 Suzuki, a master in the Soto Zen sect, meditation is 'zazen', regular
 sitting, based on the teachings of Zen Master Dogen. It's just like TM
 practice, sitting meditation. Anyone who has practiced TM and Soto Zen
 knows this - it's pretty common knowledge without even going into any
 linguistics.

 Dogen Kigen:

 Fifty-four years lighting up the sky.
 A quivering leap smashes a billion worlds.
 Hah!
 Entire body looks for nothing.
 Living, I plunge into Yellow Springs.

 Exerpt:

 Once we turn our eyes from Japan to the Western
 scene, we find that virtually nothing has been
 introduced concerning Dogen - this is unfortuenant
 indeed, given that ignorance of Soto Zen is
 tantamount to ignorance of Dogen, its founder.

 Ken Wilber says that Zen practice is very similar to TM practice.
 Apparently Wilber's parents have started TM practice some time ago. Wilber
 ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of
 Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true
 in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of
 being, exists absolutely.

 Works cited:

 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature,
 Philosophy and Practice'
 by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur
 Hohm Press, 2001

 'Dogen Kigen--Mystical Realist'
 by Hee-Jin Kim
 Wisdom Publications, 2004

 'A Brief History of Everything'
 By Ken Wilber
 Shambhala, 2007
 Page 42-3


 On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:



 There is simply nothing better than 60-s blah blah


 Yes. Alan Watts, D. T. Suzuki and Krishnamurti turned the world upside
 down. (At least my inner world.) And lets not forget MMY's Science of
 Being and Art of Living. Though not in the same league it was an
 original and optimistic work.

  





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2014-01-02 Thread Richard Williams
[image: Inline image 1]
Sumi painting by Shunryo Suzuki

Zen Master Dogen got the Soto Zen practice from his teacher in China -
Dogen was a master linguist and the author of 'Shobogenzo' in which he
describes in detail the Soto Zen practice - sitting meditation. In Dogen's
Zen practice, the primary realization is the *oneness* of
practice-enlightenment. The practice of zazen and the experience of
enlightenment are one and the same - there is no difference - no
duality.According to Georg Feurerstein, the Buddha Shakya the Muni was the
first historical yogin in India - Buddha taught meditation that was
transcendental.

It' s like a Zen koan:

Wind flag, mind moves,
The same understanding.
When the mouth opens
All are wrong. - Mumon

The practice of 'just sitting' is non-different from the enlightenment -
there is no gap between your practice and your enlightenment. Just sitting
IS enlightenment. Zazen is not step-by-step process - it is all-at-once or
nothing at all. There are no steps along the way. According to Shunryo
Suzuki, a master in the Soto Zen sect, meditation is 'zazen', regular
sitting, based on the teachings of Zen Master Dogen. It's just like TM
practice, sitting meditation. Anyone who has practiced TM and Soto Zen
knows this - it's pretty common knowledge without even going into any
linguistics.

Dogen Kigen:

Fifty-four years lighting up the sky.
A quivering leap smashes a billion worlds.
Hah!
Entire body looks for nothing.
Living, I plunge into Yellow Springs.

Exerpt:

Once we turn our eyes from Japan to the Western
scene, we find that virtually nothing has been
introduced concerning Dogen - this is unfortuenant
indeed, given that ignorance of Soto Zen is
tantamount to ignorance of Dogen, its founder.

Ken Wilber says that Zen practice is very similar to TM practice.
Apparently Wilber's parents have started TM practice some time ago. Wilber
ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of
Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true
in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of
being, exists absolutely.

Works cited:

'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature,
Philosophy and Practice'
by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur
Hohm Press, 2001

'Dogen Kigen--Mystical Realist'
by Hee-Jin Kim
Wisdom Publications, 2004

'A Brief History of Everything'
By Ken Wilber
Shambhala, 2007
Page 42-3


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:



 There is simply nothing better than 60-s blah blah


 Yes. Alan Watts, D. T. Suzuki and Krishnamurti turned the world upside
 down. (At least my inner world.) And lets not forget MMY's Science of
 Being and Art of Living. Though not in the same league it was an original
 and optimistic work.

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About Zen

2013-12-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 12/28/2013 7:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Don't you have anything better than these old '60-s blah blah?
There is simply nothing better than 60-s blah blah.