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2013-09-05 Thread emilymae.reyn













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2013-09-04 Thread doctordumbass













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2013-09-04 Thread dhamiltony2k5













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2013-09-04 Thread Share Long
Doc, I'm pretty sure that dear Woody was referring to California, specifically 
LA when he made that comment to she who wanted to visit there, Annie Hall. I'm 
just sayin...





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. A good 
description of my memories of Fairfield. Still too far from the coast, though. 
I really enjoyed living in that area when development of my consciousness was 
paramount, though it was always a means to an end, because, in Woddy Allen's 
immortal words, I don't mellow, I rot. Here, I have the ocean, the bay, views 
of mountains, and a vibrant urban environment seeded amongst all of that. And 
7-11's.:-) 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies that 
Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live here. As 
if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary life, but 
with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it is not for 
everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not flocking here. 
The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the middle of the corn 
and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so there is the 
unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel very fortunate to 
be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as special as it is.





 From: Rick Archer rick@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
  
I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA.
 
Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU 
was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move 
there and build a community like we have here.


 

Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

2013-09-04 Thread Share Long
yeah, Buck I like the four seasons too, especially when summer and winter 
express their milder versions (-:





 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western 
students
 


  
 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. A good 
description of my memories of Fairfield. Still too far from the coast, though. 
I really enjoyed living in that area when development of my consciousness was 
paramount, though it was always a means to an end, because, in Woddy Allen's 
immortal words, I don't mellow, I rot. Here, I have the ocean, the bay, views 
of mountains, and a vibrant urban environment seeded amongst all of that. And 
7-11's.:-) 


Hey,
I like that Fairfield has four unambiguous seasons.
-Buck in the Dome



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies 
that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live 
here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary 
life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it 
is not for everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not 
flocking here. The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the 
middle of the corn and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so 
there is the unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel 
very fortunate to be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as 
special as it is.







 From: Rick Archer rick@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
  
I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave 
CA.
 
Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU 
was in a rented facility. People wouldnât have been able to afford to move 
there and build a community like we have here.

 
 

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2013-09-04 Thread doctordumbass













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2013-09-04 Thread awoelflebater













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2013-09-03 Thread Michael Jackson
I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 Sounds like an isolated small white town, talking about the interracial couple 
who just moved in, down the block - those troublemakers - lol. My theory is 
that Fairfield is too far away from the ocean - MIU should've stayed in Santa 
Barbara (Isla Vista, actually).


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Well
first off, strict Maharishi  true-believers dislike Rick in
particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding
open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity
about Maharishi and TM.  Second they dislike Rick for opening up the
larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the
movement.  They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they
see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively
disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and
Maharishi.  In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really
dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who
has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement
community.  Of course that all gets close to home for these few
people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so
identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi.  
So, yes their having a
strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that
holds them together.  One ballistic missile that always gets an early
launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal
credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find
dirt.  He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in
the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans
to find dirt on Maharishi.  That of course is a double dump as the
Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they
'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans
actively raking muck.  In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends
any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL.  Of course it does not
help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin
carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings.  -FFL 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Look,
These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor.  At that
level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing.  After
all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian
revolutionaries.  And, we certainly are.



These
are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely
loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else
against their own standard of morality around their own sense of
loyalty from the top down.  It's evidently a lower form of morality
which drives most people away.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development  



--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:


Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was 
the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly 
complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its 
effects.

What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they 
believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!!

Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have 
asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and 
caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a 
prank he pulled.

These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were 
included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM 
more accepted around the world.

So you guys who still
 love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a 
full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead.

And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he 
just answered a couple questions I had and that was it.





From: Rick Archer rick@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@...
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is 
brought up

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2013-09-03 Thread Rick Archer
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

 

  

I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA.

 

Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU 
was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move 
there and build a community like we have here.



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2013-09-03 Thread doctordumbass













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2013-09-03 Thread Rick Archer
It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being 
actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself 
negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who 
prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.



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2013-09-03 Thread Share Long
And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies that 
Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live here. As 
if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary life, but 
with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it is not for 
everyone. I say obviously because even long term TMers are not flocking here. 
The weather is a challenge. And it is a small town in the middle of the corn 
and soy fields. And it is the world's washing machine so there is the 
unstressing that bubbles up with various courses, etc. I feel very fortunate to 
be living here and am grateful to everyone who makes it as special as it is.





 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
  
I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA.
 
Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU 
was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move 
there and build a community like we have here.
 

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2013-09-03 Thread Michael Jackson
I think her attitude had something to do with the first winter they had there - 
she said the heat wasn't working about half the time and some folks got sick as 
a result.





 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
  
I have a friend who now lives in Brevard, NC - she was a student at MIU when 
they made the transition to Fairfield - she thought they were crazy to leave CA.
 
Santa Barbara is a lovely place, but there was no room for growth there. MIU 
was in a rented facility. People wouldn’t have been able to afford to move 
there and build a community like we have here.
 

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2013-09-03 Thread Michael Jackson
I would love to see a list of the skin boys, arranged by date - it would be 
interesting to see how long each of them lasted.

I am going to say here again for whatever its worth that I know M had big 
energy, to put it mildly and for many the getting off drugs for example and 
getting onto meditation, and just the idea of developing one's awareness rather 
than chasing the dollar or engaging in overtly negative activity is some thing 
people appreciate M for and feel he gave them.

I acknowledge that, but I feel the way he began to teach, and his dishonesty 
eventually outweighed the good he did, and the fact that he fell prey to the 
proverbial blandishments of the ego, was a slap in the face to what he claimed 
he was trying to accomplish.  





 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 


  
It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being 
actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself 
negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who 
prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.
 

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2013-09-03 Thread dhamiltony2k5













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2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
I wonder where promoting Thrive plays into that.  Apparently buying into 
those assumptions.  Or maybe you consider them Truth.  Maybe the moon is just 
a mechanical construct.  Who knows.
 


 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
  
   
 
It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being 
actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself 
negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who 
prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.   
 

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2013-09-03 Thread Emily Reyn
Yo Barry, Re: your reason for sticking around
People ask why I stick around here. One of the reasons
is that the religious sociologist in me is interested
in Fairfield, The Place, and how it turns out after
having been invaded by a cult. I have no real precon-
ceptions of how it's going to turn out, and I've never
lived there, so it's all a mystery to me. I honestly
wish that more people who actually live there would
tell more stories (REAL stories, not propaganda) of

what it's like to live there. - Barry Bee 

Here you go

And I still think that the community of FF is one of the sweetest legacies 
that Maharishi left us. Words cannot do justice to what it is like to live 
here. As if one is swimming in lively consciousness all day long. Ordinary 
life, but with a sweetness, a simplicity, a non frantic vibrancy. Obviously it 
is not for everyone. - Share Long [paragraph truncated by Emily to reflect 
when she started to laugh.]