Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, here is what I understand: you used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then you said that Robin said that enlightenment reached via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Are these

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
As I've already told you, Share, it really doesn't help just to repeat your misunderstanding over and over. You have never bothered to engage with what Ann and I have told you. I'll try it one more time: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? Judy wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ... It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
As I said: Once you figure it out, get back to me. It shouldn't be that difficult, even for you. Judy, this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? Judy wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/11/2014 9:19 AM, Share Long wrote: this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? According to Robin, most people are in a dream state and mistake it for the real. What you have to do according to Robin is wake up from the dream. The Adi

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Thanks Richard, I understand this. Using dreams is a good way to explain it. Dreams are real in their own context. But they are delusions in a larger context. Do you think that's what Robin meant about his enlightenment? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:34 AM, Richard J. Williams

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/11/2014 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote: ontological union between God and human is not possible. When Robin experienced enlightenment he said that he floated in a kind of absolute bliss - he was able to witness his body move, as his individuality carried out its natural actions, but the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/11/2014 10:39 AM, Share Long wrote: Dreams are real in their own context. But they are delusions in a larger context. Dreams are real while we are dreaming, but unreal in the absolute sense. Dreams are not illusions in the sense of not being real because we do have dreams. The magic

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-10 Thread Share Long
Judy, I did not denigrate Robin. I called your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment inaccurate because you said that Robin said that enlightenment, including his, via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. On Monday,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that you keep repeating your misunderstanding without ever addressing

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-10 Thread Share Long
Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm merely repeating what he himself has said. Or what you and Ann have said that he said. On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:45 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:  

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
You're repeating his (or my or Ann's) words out of context and without understanding, Share. You're not really trying to understand; you just want to find a way to bash him. Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm