Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-11-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
More meat on the bone? Get a grip, Anne, he said he was already doing 
puja to a 'Shiva Lingam'. Whatever; it doesn't seem to be improving his 
disposition very much. Go figure.


On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

What a fucking idiot you are.


When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and 
sage advice for my daughter, She like him very much. He then


wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got

to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down

low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam

surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.

Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana 
Yidam and Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula.



He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 
2005. He asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I 
told him I didn't do a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired 
... kamya


ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ...

Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers Sankhya 
to be very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to Dzogchen.



All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.

What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll.

ideas might be the operative word here. I don't have the time or the 
disposition for living and practicing ideas. I am far too busy living 
life. Try it, you might find it has lots more meat on the bone.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

emptybill:

 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.


So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra
lingham, at the same time you're trying to practice under a
Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche? Where is Vaj when we need him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra

 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated 


by Sanjukta Gupta.

And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the Laksmi
Tantra? I'm not even interested in Hindu Tantrism - my
interest is Tibetan Tantra. Can you speak any Tibetan?


http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta

http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta/dp/8120817346/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1383220372sr=1-1keywords=Sanjukta+Gupta

On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


Here Here. There There.
Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll.

Hey Troll! Me too ...
I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
It's Tantric ... asshole.

It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone
that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.

You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:


You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  
I am.  KMA.









RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-11-01 Thread awoelflebater
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 More meat on the bone? Get a grip, Anne, he said he was already doing puja to 
a 'Shiva Lingam'. Whatever; it doesn't seem to be improving his disposition 
very much. Go figure.
 

 First of all my name is ANN. Secondly, I like your wordplay on the whole 
lingam/bone(er) thing. The addition of the term get a grip finishes off the 
double entendre nicely. 
 
 On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 

 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
 What a fucking idiot you are. 
 
 
 When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and sage advice 
for my daughter, She like him very much. He then 
 
 wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got 
 
 to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down
 low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam 
 
 surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.
 Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana Yidam and 
Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula. 
 
 
 
 He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 2005. He 
asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I told him I didn't do 
a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired ... kamya
 ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ... 
 
 Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers Sankhya to be 
very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to Dzogchen. 
 
 
 
 All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.
 
 What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll. 
 
 
 ideas might be the operative word here. I don't have the time or the 
disposition for living and practicing ideas. I am far too busy living life. Try 
it, you might find it has lots more meat on the bone.
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
 emptybill:
  I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
 
 So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra lingham, at the 
same time you're trying to practice under a Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche? Where is 
Vaj when we need him?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra
 
  Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by Sanjukta 
  Gupta. 
 And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the Laksmi Tantra? I'm not 
even interested in Hindu Tantrism - my interest is Tibetan Tantra. Can you 
speak any Tibetan?
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta
 
 On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Here Here. There There. 
 Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll. 
 
 Hey Troll! Me too ...
 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
 It's Tantric ... asshole.
 
 It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by Sanjukta 
Gupta. 
 
 Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone 
 that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.
 
 You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.
 
 
  
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
 You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  I am.  
KMA.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-11-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
You made my day, Ann! Now if we can just get emptybill to improve his 
disposition. LoL!


On 11/1/2013 8:45 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


More meat on the bone? Get a grip, Anne, he said he was already doing 
puja to a 'Shiva Lingam'. Whatever; it doesn't seem to be improving 
his disposition very much. Go figure.


First of all my name is ANN. Secondly, I like your wordplay on the 
whole lingam/bone(er) thing. The addition of the term get a grip 
finishes off the double entendre nicely.


On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, awoelflebater@...
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... 
mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


What a fucking idiot you are.


When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and 
sage advice for my daughter, She like him very much. He then


wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got

to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down

low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam

surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.

Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana 
Yidam and Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula.



He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 
2005. He asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I 
told him I didn't do a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired 
... kamya


ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ...

Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers 
Sankhya to be very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to Dzogchen.



All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.

What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll.

ideas might be the operative word here. I don't have the time or 
the disposition for living and practicing ideas. I am far too busy 
living life. Try it, you might find it has lots more meat on the bone.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:


emptybill:

 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.


So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra
lingham, at the same time you're trying to practice under a
Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche? Where is Vaj when we need him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra

 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated 


by Sanjukta Gupta.

And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the
Laksmi Tantra? I'm not even interested in Hindu Tantrism - my
interest is Tibetan Tantra. Can you speak any Tibetan?


http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta

http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta/dp/8120817346/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1383220372sr=1-1keywords=Sanjukta+Gupta

On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@...
wrote:


Here Here. There There.
Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll.

Hey Troll! Me too ...
I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
It's Tantric ... asshole.

It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone
that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.

You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:


You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  
I am.  KMA.











Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-11-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
We really need to cut emptybill some slack about this, Ann. He said his 
wife passed away - may she rest in peace.


So, maybe that's a real tragedy, but why is he taking it out on me? I'm 
just trying to share information to make this group more interesting to 
read, unlike some others who seem to just want to wreck it. Go figure.


Now he's taking care of his daughter, so I guess we can assume that he 
practiced tantric yoga at least once in his life.


I've spent forty years investigating the tantric tradition and it's 
relation to TM practice and studied with three tantric teachers. It's 
just a shame that we can't get more substantive information about tantra 
out of him, instead of all the grief he has directed at me and Vaj, 
seeing as how we're all three Buddhists.


But, he doesn't sound much like a Buddhist and his teacher seems to have 
mixed up the dualism of the Sankhya with the non-dualism of the 
Vajrayana, so I can't really figure him or his teacher out. Apparently 
his teacher thinks making puja to Shiva is the 'original' tantra, but 
everyone knows that Shiva worship came after the historical Buddha and 
the rise of the devotional sects in India, at the beginning of the Gupta 
period. Go figure.


Did I tell you I attended the Kalachakra initiation with the Tibetan 
Dalai Lama at Los Angeles in July, 1989?


As in all Vajryana practices, the Kalachakra initiation empowers the 
disciple to practice tantra in the service of attaining enlightenment, 
not for the mere acquisition of material goods or fortune from Laksmi, 
but to attune the mind for the acceptance of voidness. So, far from 
being 'empty, our Bill seems to be pretty full of himself,but maybe he's 
just lashing out from prolonged grief - I don't know.


On 11/1/2013 8:56 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

You made my day, Ann! Now if we can just get emptybill to improve his 
disposition. LoL!


Perhaps someone should get a grip on his Shiva implement...that's 
usually good for a momentary burst of bliss.


On 11/1/2013 8:45 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


More meat on the bone? Get a grip, Anne, he said he was already doing 
puja to a 'Shiva Lingam'. Whatever; it doesn't seem to be improving 
his disposition very much. Go figure.


First of all my name is ANN. Secondly, I like your wordplay on the 
whole lingam/bone(er) thing. The addition of the term get a grip 
finishes off the double entendre nicely.


On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, awoelflebater@...
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... 
mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


What a fucking idiot you are.


When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and 
sage advice for my daughter, She like him very much. He then


wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got

to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down

low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam

surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.

Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana 
Yidam and Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula.



He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 
2005. He asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I 
told him I didn't do a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired 
... kamya


ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ...

Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers 
Sankhya to be very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to 
Dzogchen.



All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.

What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll.

ideas might be the operative word here. I don't have the time or 
the disposition for living and practicing ideas. I am far too busy 
living life. Try it, you might find it has lots more meat on the bone.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:


emptybill:

 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.


So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra
lingham, at the same time you're trying to practice under a
Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche? Where is Vaj when we need him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra

 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated 


by Sanjukta Gupta.

And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the
Laksmi Tantra? I'm not even interested in Hindu Tantrism -
my interest is Tibetan Tantra. Can you speak any Tibetan?


http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-11-01 Thread Ann Woelfle Bater
As you may have gathered by now I am not big on theoretical spiritual teachings 
nor am I a leaner towards book learning on things spiritual or the following of 
gurus. I tried it once and although it was interesting it ended rather badly. 
So I can not take sides in this debate about who has practiced tantric yoga 
with the greatest alacrity or whose Buddhist monk friend was/is higher on the 
evolutionary scale. So if you two want to spar over this kind of thing go right 
ahead. I'll be out in the forest somewhere listening to the owls.



On Friday, November 1, 2013 8:54:27 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
We really need to cut emptybill some slack about this, Ann. He said his wife 
passed away - may she rest in peace. 

So, maybe that's a real tragedy, but why is he taking it out on
  me? I'm just trying to share information to make this group more
  interesting to read, unlike some others who seem to just want to
  wreck it. Go figure.

Now he's taking care of his daughter, so I guess we can assume
  that he practiced tantric yoga at least once in his life. 

I've spent forty years investigating the tantric tradition and
  it's relation to TM practice and studied with three tantric
  teachers. It's just a shame that we can't get more substantive
  information about tantra out of him, instead of all the grief he
  has directed at me and Vaj, seeing as how we're all three
  Buddhists. 

But, he doesn't sound much like a Buddhist and his teacher seems
  to have mixed up the dualism of the Sankhya with the non-dualism
  of the Vajrayana, so I can't really figure him or his teacher out.
  Apparently his teacher thinks making puja to Shiva is the
  'original' tantra, but everyone knows that Shiva worship came
  after the historical Buddha and the rise of the devotional sects
  in India, at the beginning of the Gupta period. Go figure. 

Did I tell you I attended the Kalachakra initiation with the
  Tibetan Dalai Lama at Los Angeles in July, 1989?

As in all Vajryana practices, the Kalachakra initiation empowers
  the disciple to practice tantra in the service of attaining
  enlightenment, not for the mere acquisition of material goods or
  fortune from Laksmi, but to attune the mind for the acceptance of
  voidness. So, far from being 'empty, our Bill seems to be pretty
  full of himself,but maybe he's just lashing out from prolonged
  grief - I don't know. 

On 11/1/2013 8:56 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


You made my day, Ann! Now if we can just get emptybill to improve his 
disposition. LoL!


Perhaps someone should get a grip on his Shiva implement...that's usually good 
for a momentary burst of bliss.


On 11/1/2013 8:45 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote:

  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


More meat on the bone? Get a grip, Anne, he said he was already doing puja to 
a 'Shiva Lingam'. Whatever; it doesn't seem to be improving his disposition 
very much. Go figure.


First of all my name is ANN. Secondly, I like your wordplay on the whole 
lingam/bone(er) thing. The addition of the term get a grip finishes off the 
double entendre nicely. 


On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, awoelflebater@... wrote:

  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:


What a fucking idiot you are. 


When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and sage 
advice for my daughter, She like him very much. He then 

wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got 

to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down
low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam 

surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.
Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana Yidam 
and Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula. 



He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 2005. He 
asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I told him I didn't 
do a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired ... kamya
ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ... 

Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers Sankhya to be 
very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to Dzogchen. 



All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.

What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll. 


ideas might be the operative word here. I don't have the time or the 
disposition for living and practicing ideas. I am far too busy living life. 
Try it, you might find it has lots more meat on the bone.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


emptybill:

 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.


So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra lingham, at the same 
time you're trying to practice under a Tibetan Buddhist Rinpoche? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-31 Thread Richard J. Williams

Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.

Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander 
opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who 
are ignorant of Internet etiquette.


AMT Troll FAQ:

http://tinyurl.com/2977cj http://tinyurl.com/2977cj

On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


Here Here. There There.
Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll.

Hey Troll! Me too ...
I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
It's Tantric ... asshole.

It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone
that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.

You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  I 
am.  KMA.


On 10/30/2013 03:15 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

You posted to the wrong topic and made yourself look like a newbie. 
Maybe it's time to review the Netiquette:


1. When replying to a post, stay on topic.
2. Don't butt in to conversations with trollish comments.
3. Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p68.html

Start your own topic if you don't know anything about TM and the Tantras.

On 10/30/2013 5:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to 
add to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you 
look like a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:


You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts.  There you 
have some actual experience and knowledge. Tantra is beyond your 
pay grade. :-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most 
broadcast shows on Hulu.  And CBS (as with most of the networks) 
posts episodes on the  CBS website  the day after showing on air.  
I played with different ways of watching those on my big screen.  
HDMI out on my Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set 
to HDMI audio.  Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will 
probably use either my Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or 
the NVidia Shield which has one too.  Most of the networks put out 
a low grade HD stream when you expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites.  The latter have 
more commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared 
to OTA. Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a 
break and most are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for 
Halloween may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: 
Re-Animation.  This is indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films 
including Jeffery Combs playing a role.  There is even some funny 
political satire liberals will love in the film (can we say Sister 
Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. 
In order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from 
the tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya 
is a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM 
bijas inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in 
the Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to 
James Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the 
Sounda, the last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the 
Tantras, such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not 
the to the Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga 
practices such as 'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial 
rituals, dedicated to appeasing the celestial beings that control 
the forces of nature, such as earth, wind and fire, etc.


The demi-gods, such as Krishna, Vasudeva, Balarama, and Ramchandra 
are deified heros of Indian mythology. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-31 Thread Richard J. Williams

emptybill:
 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.

So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra lingham, at 
the same time you're trying to practice under a Tibetan Buddhist 
Rinpoche? Where is Vaj when we need him?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra

 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the Laksmi Tantra? 
I'm not even interested in Hindu Tantrism - my interest is Tibetan 
Tantra. Can you speak any Tibetan?


http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta 
http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta/dp/8120817346/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1383220372sr=1-1keywords=Sanjukta+Gupta


On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


Here Here. There There.
Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll.

Hey Troll! Me too ...
I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
It's Tantric ... asshole.

It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone
that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.

You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  I 
am.  KMA.


On 10/30/2013 03:15 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

You posted to the wrong topic and made yourself look like a newbie. 
Maybe it's time to review the Netiquette:


1. When replying to a post, stay on topic.
2. Don't butt in to conversations with trollish comments.
3. Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p68.html

Start your own topic if you don't know anything about TM and the Tantras.

On 10/30/2013 5:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to 
add to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you 
look like a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:


You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts.  There you 
have some actual experience and knowledge. Tantra is beyond your 
pay grade. :-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most 
broadcast shows on Hulu.  And CBS (as with most of the networks) 
posts episodes on the  CBS website  the day after showing on air.  
I played with different ways of watching those on my big screen.  
HDMI out on my Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set 
to HDMI audio.  Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will 
probably use either my Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or 
the NVidia Shield which has one too.  Most of the networks put out 
a low grade HD stream when you expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites.  The latter have 
more commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared 
to OTA. Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a 
break and most are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for 
Halloween may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: 
Re-Animation.  This is indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films 
including Jeffery Combs playing a role.  There is even some funny 
political satire liberals will love in the film (can we say Sister 
Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. 
In order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from 
the tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya 
is a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM 
bijas inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in 
the Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to 
James Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the 
Sounda, the last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-31 Thread Richard J. Williams

So, you speak some Tibetan.

You are doing the Rudrâbhishekam for what purpose? For purification, 
acquisition, or for preparing the mind to accept voidness? Go figure.


According to H. von Glasenapp, tantrism was originally Hindu, but this 
view has long since been abandoned: The contemporary view is that 
Buddhist tantrism preceded Hindu tantrism (Bharati p. 109).


Work cited:

'The Tantric Tradition'
by Agehananda Bharati
Rider, 1965

On 10/31/2013 5:54 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


What a fucking idiot you are.


When my teacher came to my house he talked around and had kind and 
sage advice for my daughter, She like him very much. He then


wanted to look around so I gave him the tour. When he got

to my sadhana room and looked at the large altar (set down

low - Hindu style) and he saw the traditionally carved Shiva Lingam

surrounded by small rudraksha-a and covered with flower blossoms.

Surmounting it were large hand-painted Thankas of various Vajrayana 
Yidam and Dharma protectors ... like Ekajâti and Rahula.



He pointed at the Lingam and said Oh - Original Tantra! That was 
2005. He asked questions about it and about what practice I did. I 
told him I didn't do a daily abhisheka but rather did it as desired 
... kamya


ever since my wife died. I queried him further and he confirmed ...

Yeah - not Buddhist but still good Tantra. He even considers Sankhya 
to be very close in its conclusions and metaphysics to Dzogchen.



All this just show how shallow your ideas are ... fool.

What else to expect from a mere book reading Troll.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

emptybill:

 I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.


So, you're performing a daily Hindu sacrifice to the Rudra lingham, at 
the same time you're trying to practice under a Tibetan Buddhist 
Rinpoche? Where is Vaj when we need him?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancharatra

 Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated 


by Sanjukta Gupta.

And, why would I want to read a book to learn about the Laksmi
Tantra? I'm not even interested in Hindu Tantrism - my interest is
Tibetan Tantra. Can you speak any Tibetan?


http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta 
http://www.amazon.com/Laksmi-Tantra-Pancaratra-Sanjukta-Gupta/dp/8120817346/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1383220372sr=1-1keywords=Sanjukta+Gupta


On 10/30/2013 8:15 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


Here Here. There There.
Finally an accurate summary of the pompous Troll.

Hey Troll! Me too ...
I do the Pâñcharâtra Mahâ-Rudrâbhishekam.
It's Tantric ... asshole.

It's such bullshit what you say ... Lakshmi this - Lakshmi that.
Why don't you read something useful. Laksmi Tantra translated by 
Sanjukta Gupta.


Then pray yer stinking ass off that you can meet someone
that can show you something useful. Tantric usefull - idiot.

You don't do anything except read stuff and make grand claims.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:


You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  
I am.  KMA.









Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to add 
to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you look like 
a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts. There you have 
some actual experience and knowledge. Tantra is beyond your pay grade. 
:-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most broadcast 
shows on Hulu.  And CBS (as with most of the networks) posts episodes 
on the  CBS website the day after showing on air.  I played with 
different ways of watching those on my big screen.  HDMI out on my 
Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set to HDMI audio.  
Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will probably use either my 
Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or the NVidia Shield which has 
one too.  Most of the networks put out a low grade HD stream when you 
expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites.  The latter have more 
commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared to OTA. 
Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a break and most 
are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for Halloween 
may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: Re-Animation.  This is 
indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films including Jeffery Combs 
playing a role.  There is even some funny political satire liberals 
will love in the film (can we say Sister Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. In 
order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from the 
tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya is a 
tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM bijas 
inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in the 
Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to James 
Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the Sounda, the 
last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the Tantras, 
such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not the to the 
Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga practices such as 
'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial rituals, dedicated to 
appeasing the celestial beings that control the forces of nature, 
such as earth, wind and fire, etc.


The demi-gods, such as Krishna, Vasudeva, Balarama, and Ramchandra 
are deified heros of Indian mythology. There are no 'istadevatas' and 
their 'bija mantras' mentioned in the Rig Veda.


The use of bijas came a long time after the composition of the Rig 
Veda, during the Gupta Age in India. Bija mantras are products of the 
Indian alchemists, not the Vedic rishis. The Rig Veda was probably 
compiled before the Aryan speakers even arrived in India. TM practice 
is almost pure tantra practice, with a little fertilizer thrown in 
for good measure.


Read more:

Subject: TM in the Tantras
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga
Date: Friday, Jan 21 2005
http://tinyurl.com/7qtr78







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
You posted to the wrong topic and made yourself look like a newbie. 
Maybe it's time to review the Netiquette:


1. When replying to a post, stay on topic.
2. Don't butt in to conversations with trollish comments.
3. Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p68.html

Start your own topic if you don't know anything about TM and the Tantras.

On 10/30/2013 5:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to 
add to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you look 
like a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts.  There you 
have some actual experience and knowledge.  Tantra is beyond your pay 
grade. :-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most broadcast 
shows on Hulu.  And CBS (as with most of the networks) posts episodes 
on the CBS website  the day after showing on air.  I played with 
different ways of watching those on my big screen.  HDMI out on my 
Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set to HDMI audio. 
Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will probably use either 
my Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or the NVidia Shield which 
has one too.  Most of the networks put out a low grade HD stream when 
you expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites. The latter have more 
commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared to OTA. 
Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a break and most 
are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for 
Halloween may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: Re-Animation.  
This is indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films including Jeffery 
Combs playing a role.  There is even some funny political satire 
liberals will love in the film (can we say Sister Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. In 
order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from 
the tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya is 
a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM bijas 
inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in the 
Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to James 
Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the Sounda, 
the last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the Tantras, 
such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not the to the 
Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga practices such as 
'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial rituals, dedicated to 
appeasing the celestial beings that control the forces of nature, 
such as earth, wind and fire, etc.


The demi-gods, such as Krishna, Vasudeva, Balarama, and Ramchandra 
are deified heros of Indian mythology. There are no 'istadevatas' 
and their 'bija mantras' mentioned in the Rig Veda.


The use of bijas came a long time after the composition of the Rig 
Veda, during the Gupta Age in India. Bija mantras are products of 
the Indian alchemists, not the Vedic rishis. The Rig Veda was 
probably compiled before the Aryan speakers even arrived in India. 
TM practice is almost pure tantra practice, with a little fertilizer 
thrown in for good measure.


Read more:

Subject: TM in the Tantras
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga
Date: Friday, Jan 21 2005
http://tinyurl.com/7qtr78









Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  I 
am.  KMA.


On 10/30/2013 03:15 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


You posted to the wrong topic and made yourself look like a newbie. 
Maybe it's time to review the Netiquette:


1. When replying to a post, stay on topic.
2. Don't butt in to conversations with trollish comments.
3. Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p68.html

Start your own topic if you don't know anything about TM and the Tantras.

On 10/30/2013 5:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to 
add to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you 
look like a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts.  There you 
have some actual experience and knowledge.  Tantra is beyond your 
pay grade. :-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most 
broadcast shows on Hulu.  And CBS (as with most of the networks) 
posts episodes on the  CBS website  the day after showing on air.  I 
played with different ways of watching those on my big screen.  HDMI 
out on my Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set to HDMI 
audio.  Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will probably use 
either my Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or the NVidia 
Shield which has one too.  Most of the networks put out a low grade 
HD stream when you expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites.  The latter have more 
commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared to OTA. 
Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a break and 
most are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for 
Halloween may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: Re-Animation. 
This is indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films including Jeffery 
Combs playing a role. There is even some funny political satire 
liberals will love in the film (can we say Sister Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. 
In order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from 
the tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya 
is a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM 
bijas inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in 
the Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to 
James Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the 
Sounda, the last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the 
Tantras, such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not 
the to the Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga 
practices such as 'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial 
rituals, dedicated to appeasing the celestial beings that control 
the forces of nature, such as earth, wind and fire, etc.


The demi-gods, such as Krishna, Vasudeva, Balarama, and Ramchandra 
are deified heros of Indian mythology. There are no 'istadevatas' 
and their 'bija mantras' mentioned in the Rig Veda.


The use of bijas came a long time after the composition of the Rig 
Veda, during the Gupta Age in India. Bija mantras are products of 
the Indian alchemists, not the Vedic rishis. The Rig Veda was 
probably compiled before the Aryan speakers even arrived in India. 
TM practice is almost pure tantra practice, with a little 
fertilizer thrown in for good measure.


Read more:

Subject: TM in the Tantras
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga
Date: Friday, Jan 21 2005
http://tinyurl.com/7qtr78











Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM in the Tantras

2013-10-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
You are incorrect - I've been teaching people how to meditate for forty 
years. I learned Zen meditation under Shunryo Suzulki. And, I've studied 
with three Tantra teachers. TM is just for beginners. In fact, I was one 
of the first Americans to practice Tantra under Tarthang Tulku back in 1967.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarthang_Tulku

On 10/30/2013 7:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


You were not even a teacher of TM, I was. You were never a tantric.  I 
am.  KMA.


On 10/30/2013 03:15 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


You posted to the wrong topic and made yourself look like a newbie. 
Maybe it's time to review the Netiquette:


1. When replying to a post, stay on topic.
2. Don't butt in to conversations with trollish comments.
3. Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p68.html

Start your own topic if you don't know anything about TM and the Tantras.

On 10/30/2013 5:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Well Mr. Troll, I added to the topic that you don't know what you're 
talking about and should stick to subjects you do and gave an example.


On 10/30/2013 02:00 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote:


You should probably learn how to use a discussion group. You're not 
supposed to butt in to a conversation unless you have something to 
add to the topic. Start your own thread instead - this makes you 
look like a newbie who does nothing but watch TV.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

You should probably stick to cutting the cable posts.  There you 
have some actual experience and knowledge.  Tantra is beyond your 
pay grade. :-D


Speaking of cable cutting except for CBS you can get most 
broadcast shows on Hulu. And CBS (as with most of the networks) 
posts episodes on the  CBS website  the day after showing on air.  
I played with different ways of watching those on my big screen.  
HDMI out on my Acer desktop lacks audio even though I have it set 
to HDMI audio.  Seems it is a problem for some users bit I will 
probably use either my Acer tablet which has an HDMI port out or 
the NVidia Shield which has one too.  Most of the networks put out 
a low grade HD stream when you expand to full screen.


Difference between Hulu+ and network websites.  The latter have 
more commercials though still just a few minutes overall compared 
to OTA. Hulu+ has often only one 15 second commercial during a 
break and most are just PSAs.


For the Netflixers looking for a dark comedy horror film for 
Halloween may I recommend Night of the Living Dead: 
Re-Animation.  This is indeed a sequel to the Re-Animator films 
including Jeffery Combs playing a role.  There is even some funny 
political satire liberals will love in the film (can we say Sister 
Sarah).



On 10/30/2013 08:23 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

It would seem that the MMY got a little confused - instead of 
extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. 
Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. 
In order to establish the TM practice, the MMY should have been 
explaining how TM came to use the bija mantras.


From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from 
the tradition Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. The Sri Vidya 
is a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the 
Saraswati sannyasins are headquartered at the Sringeri matha.


Swami Krishnanda Saraswati:

Inline image 1

SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The 
primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra with the TM 
bijas inscribed thereon. There are fifteen bija mantras listed in 
the Soundarylahari, some of them are TM bija mantras, according to 
James Duffy. But, there are in fact sixteen bijas listed in the 
Sounda, the last one used for advanced practice.


So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the 
Tantras, such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not 
the to the Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga 
practices such as 'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial 
rituals, dedicated to appeasing the celestial beings that control 
the forces of nature, such as earth, wind and fire, etc.


The demi-gods, such as Krishna, Vasudeva, Balarama, and Ramchandra 
are deified heros of Indian mythology. There are no 'istadevatas' 
and their 'bija mantras' mentioned in the Rig Veda.


The use of bijas came a long time after the composition of the Rig 
Veda, during the Gupta Age in India. Bija mantras are products of 
the Indian alchemists, not the Vedic rishis. The Rig Veda was 
probably compiled before the Aryan speakers even arrived in India. 
TM practice is almost pure tantra practice, with a little 
fertilizer thrown in for good measure.


Read more:

Subject: TM in the Tantras
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga
Date: Friday, Jan 21 2005