Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
Let's have a closer look at this post of Barry's from Friday; I didn't feel 
like bothering to fisk it at the time:: 

 See what I mean about challenging her projected image driving her crazy?  :-)

 

 Awfully mild version of crazy, I'd say. More like annoyed, if even that. 
Barry's pissed that I simply dismissed the post he had hoped would drive me 
crazy.
 
What you should expect for the rest of the day -- if not week or month -- is an 
avalanche of posts about what a liar Barry is. 

So what else is new? Barry's a liar. For example:
 
This from the woman who *still* claims that Robin Carlsen wasn't lying about 
striking his students, even after he admitted it on this forum, even after her 
only supporter here (Ann) said that it probably happened at least once *at a 
seminar* (refuting the dodge she used to claim he wasn't lying even after he 
admitted it).
 

 No refutation there, and Robin never admitted to lying in any case, because he 
hadn't. With regard to the non-seminar incidents, he said, accurately, that he 
hadn't denied the truth, he'd denied what he'd been accused of--which was that 
he'd struck students during seminars. The seminar incident Ann described, he 
genuinely didn't remember the way she told it. What he recalled was that 
someone else onstage with him had struck the guy. However, as I noted, he 
didn't contest Ann's version. He said that if she remembered him doing it, he 
accepted that that's what happened.
 

 Can you imagine Barry responding to a correction in this manner?

It's all a matter of knowing things, you see. Judy just knows who is lying 
and who isn't. The same way she claims to know what everyone here was 
'really' thinking when they posted something she doesn't like.
 

 Um, sometimes, yes. Of course, Barry himself NEVER does that. snicker
 

 So whenever Robin said something about himself or about anyone else, he was 
always telling the truth.
 

 Certainly nobody ever found him not to be telling the truth, except in that 
one case Ann recounted, which he genuinely didn't remember as she told it. As 
Xeno has repeatedly pointed out, memory can be fallible, including Barry's. The 
difference is that Robin CARED about being accurate, whereas Barry (as Xeno has 
also noted) does not. See below for Xeno's comments.
 

 Unless he was being ironic, of course,
 

 Perhaps Barry's most laughable assertion is that irony is equivalent to lying. 
Which must mean that Barry does a lot of lying in his own ironic posts. 
Oooopsie! 
 

  or...uh...lying, as he was about never striking any of his students, using 
phrases like I would never do that. 
 

 I would never do that DURING A SEMINAR, Barry carefully forgets to add. 
That's what Robin believed when he said it. He was, it appears, mistaken, given 
the one incident Ann remembers. Lying is when you say something you DON'T 
believe to be true, as Barry does all the time.

But whenever Barry says something, Judy knows that I'm lying.
 

 No, only when you lie.
 

 The thing Judy is ignoring in all of her tirades -- and will continue to 
ignore, I'm fairly sure -- is that NO ONE is rushing to her defense.
 

 And I should pay attention to that why, exactly? Should I be saying things I 
don't believe to be true in order to inspire folks to defend me?
 

  So far, not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and 
has been unable to post yet today. :-)
 

 Ann is perhaps the most independent poster on FFL (as was demonstrated by her 
report of the striking incident during one of Robin's seminars, contradicting 
the dude she has, according to Barry, been brainwashed by).
 

 NO ONE believes her I don't lie horseshit. NO ONE.
 

 Sez Barry, who has read the minds of every poster here.
 

 Obviously, not even her, since she refuses to even *address* getting caught in 
one of these lies, except to try to turn it into a challenge that she knows I 
will never respond to.

 

 It's of considerable interest that Barry is unwilling to state for the record 
three FACTS that he knows to be true.
 

 What a loon. And a thoroughly dishonest loon, to boot...

 

 Coming from Barry, the inadvertent irony is quite remarkable. What's also 
remarkable is that he makes this claim even though he has never managed to 
catch me in a lie, hard as he's tried. What I said about his therapist friend 
was the closest I've ever come, and in that case it was a decision not to fix 
an inadvertent error before posting it. You might say that was a decision to 
push Barry's buttons for a change, and boy, has it paid off.  He'll be 
referring to it forever as proof that I'm a liar. It's all he's got, after 
all, to balance the hundreds of lies he's told about me.
 

 BTW, I still think Barry WAS in therapy for his NPD with this dude. Strictly 
speaking, then, to say the dude was Barry's therapist wasn't a lie, because 
it's what I believe to be true. To be scrupulously honest, I should have 
mentioned Barry's claim that the therapist was just 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/14/2014 7:38 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be 
a breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?


To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting 
- the use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in 
many cases, typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or 
her intent.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly well 
aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far more 
sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in 
awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/15/2014 9:02 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in awhile, it's Barry.


You are incorrect - Barry is a button pusher, not a troll - that's 
the part you made up. Button pushers are sometimes caricatured as 
socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, 
as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from 
their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional button pushing posters 
are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to 
typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at 
their goal which is to push your buttons. Case in point.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
Wrongo. Barry is a troll. 

  If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in awhile, it's Barry.
 

 You are incorrect - Barry is a button pusher, not a troll - that's the 
part you made up. 
 

 Button pushers are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due 
to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real 
traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since 
intentional button pushing posters are alleged to knowingly flout social 
boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have 
arguably proven adept at their goal which is to push your buttons. Case in 
point.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/15/2014 1:12 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Wrongo. Barry is a troll.


This is an attempt at attention-seeking: Judy seeks to dominate the 
thread by inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand - 
all marks of the troll. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread steve.sundur
Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once again), 
that your unflinching honesty has so many conditions attached. And really, I 
think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I am sorry 
about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin pegged perfectly is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

  Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your unflinching honesty has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.








Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread steve.sundur
Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks looks, 
like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin pegged perfectly is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

  Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your unflinching honesty has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.











Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
You're welcome to entertain whatever fantasies you like about my life offline. 
I've said quite a bit about it in my posts; I really can't help you with your 
lousy memory. Nor can I help it if you choose to believe what Barry--who knows 
nothing whatsoever about my life other than what I've said here (and has 
repeatedly misrepresented that), and gets it wrong every time he tries to 
guess, even though he declares it as if it were established fact--has said 
about it. That's what I mean about your being out of touch with reality. 

  Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks 
looks, like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin pegged perfectly is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

  Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your unflinching honesty has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.















Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-15 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You're welcome to entertain whatever fantasies you like about my life offline. 
I've said quite a bit about it in my posts; I really can't help you with your 
lousy memory. Nor can I help it if you choose to believe what Barry--who knows 
nothing whatsoever about my life other than what I've said here (and has 
repeatedly misrepresented that), and gets it wrong every time he tries to 
guess, even though he declares it as if it were established fact--has said 
about it. That's what I mean about your being out of touch with reality.
 

 Let's face it, anyone who uses Barry as a reference for anything other than 
what TV shows to watch is, frankly, clueless. Maybe Steve just likes to align 
himself with losers and bullies, I don't know, it's a complete mystery to me. 
 

  Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks 
looks, like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin pegged perfectly is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

  Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your unflinching honesty has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of Trollbaiting - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a troll regardless of his or her intent.

















Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-14 Thread TurquoiseBee
See what I mean about challenging her projected image driving her crazy?  :-)

What you should expect for the rest of the day -- if not week or month -- is an 
avalanche of posts about what a liar Barry is. 

This from the woman who *still* claims that Robin Carlsen wasn't lying about 
striking his students, even after he admitted it on this forum, even after her 
only supporter here (Ann) said that it probably happened at least once *at a 
seminar* (refuting the dodge she used to claim he wasn't lying even after he 
admitted it). 

It's all a matter of knowing things, you see. Judy just knows who is lying 
and who isn't. The same way she claims to know what everyone here was 
'really' thinking when they posted something she doesn't like. So whenever 
Robin said something about himself or about anyone else, he was always telling 
the truth. Unless he was being ironic, of course, or...uh...lying, as he was 
about never striking any of his students, using phrases like I would never do 
that. 

But whenever Barry says something, Judy knows that I'm lying. 


The thing Judy is ignoring in all of her tirades -- and will continue to 
ignore, I'm fairly sure -- is that NO ONE is rushing to her defense. So far, 
not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and has been 
unable to post yet today. :-)

NO ONE believes her I don't lie horseshit. NO ONE. 


Obviously, not even her, since she refuses to even *address* getting caught in 
one of these lies, except to try to turn it into a challenge that she knows I 
will never respond to. 


What a loon. And a thoroughly dishonest loon, to boot...




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 2:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry 
Wright post?
 


  
Point of Order Madame Speaker!

Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a breach 
of this assertion, without conditions!!?

Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

_

Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.

BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said just kidding 
and wound up when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). Expert was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the expert on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.

Just for fun, as part of my ongoing one post in the morning challenging Judy's 
projected image will keep her crazy all day long campaign :-), let's see who 
here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts recently. 
Here's the first example (full context below):


 Remember what Barry said about his  therapist telling him that the person 
 suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along?

Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- his therapist. 


Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I cited 
as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my
*friend*, not my therapist. Anyone who has paid attention for some time also 
knows that our sessions were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, 
our mutually favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. 
Anyone with a longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a 
real therapist once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced 
me to see him. ( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole 
who was actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his 
office to see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I 
unloaded on him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as 
a result refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)

Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 


I don't think she left out the word friend in her sentence by accident. She 
did

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

2014-02-14 Thread TurquoiseBee

Everything is *always* about Barry, dummy. 


It has been for almost twenty years.





 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry 
Wright post?
 


  
You mean, just like Barry didn't take a lot of umbrage or express outrage this 
morning?

How blind can you be?

And yes, this is about Barry, very much so.


You realize Judy, that this is not about Barry.  If you feel you have been 
misrepresented, then you simply correct the misrepresentation or it stands.  
Doesn't really require taking a lot of umbrage or expressing outrage.  Just set 
the record straight and move on.  Doesn't have to be a lot of conditions 
attached. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


Since when has Barry ever retracted or even acknowledged any of his lies about 
me? Double standards, much?


Point of Order Madame Speaker!


Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?


Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

_


Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.


BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said just 
kidding and wound up when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL 
get-together, and I addressed my question to him (see below). Expert was 
quoting your disdainful characterization of me as the expert on Robin. So 
those double quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to 
object.


Just for fun, as part of my ongoing one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):


 Remember what Barry said about his  therapist telling him that the person 
 suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along?


Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- his therapist. 



Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my
*friend*, not my therapist. Anyone who has paid attention for some time also 
knows that our sessions were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, 
our mutually favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. 
Anyone with a longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a 
real therapist once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced 
me to see him. ( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole 
who was actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his 
office to see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I 
unloaded on him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as 
a result refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)


Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said 
or describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she 
describes herself. 



I don't think she left out the word friend in her sentence by accident. 
She did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was 
seeing a therapist to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other 
NPD-afflicted spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* 
unintentional or an accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should 
be wary of ever hiring her as an editor. There is a world of difference 
between his therapist and his therapist friend, and Judy was IMO 
*intentionally* trying to use the phrase she thought would demonize her 
obsession Barry the most.


This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in 
-- intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically explain away.. Take another recent example, when I pulled 
her own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the 
phrase a 12,000 word rant w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't