Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread Share Long
Seraphita, I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves 
can, if needed, help our present day selves. I think Now contains past and 
future and it's just a matter of sufficient brain development for us to be able 
to live that reality. For example, finding old photos of ourselves can prompt 
us to put our attention helpfully on our younger self. That was an experience I 
had when my Mom accidently found pictures of my 9th birthday party.





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:55 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Reand thank God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, a 
parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to whatever 
comes:

There's a interesting possibility raised by this line of reasoning, isn't 
there? If one's present self can recall a past-life experience, can't your 
past-life incarnation experience your present-day self? And the obvious end 
game I'm aiming for is: couldn't you today also experience a future incarnation?


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yeah, I tend to see the flashy experiences the same way, *that* they are 
happening, and how to make that relevant to daily life, vs. getting hung up on 
the forensics. Practical application, whether it be immediate, or a longer term 
learning.

I really appreciated your clear as day recollections of your soul/dharmic 
thread/jiva's past lives. You made it come alive, with this last recollection, 
horribly, yet I could really see it, and thank God, it is from the past. Or as 
you said, to paraphrase, a parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged 
if one is open to whatever comes. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
 previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
 the murders? 

I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 

I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade 
Runner I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't 
tell you definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of 
them out myself. 

Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 


  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
 lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
 succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
 someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
 realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
 when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
 wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
 wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
 France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
 kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
 ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
 Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
 accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
 historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
 Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: 
 
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
 healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
 Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
 this time around (-: 
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: 
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: 
  
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time 
  dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously 
  with the present. 
 
 Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should 
already know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact 
that he became enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment.


According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he 
saw all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and 
suffering he had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he 
was to endure in the future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the 
suffering that all humans will endure, past and present and future. At 
that moment he realized the truth of suffering (samsara), action (karma) 
and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end suffering following an 
Eightfold Path.


The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends 
on cause and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated.


So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a 
moral reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of 
caution. That's why Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do 
no harm. You left out the reason why you were seeking the spiritual 
life! Is it for you own gain or for the benefit of others? That's the 
real question.


. And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper 
in a previous life should you hand yourself in to the police?

 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook?
 Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you 
committed the murders?


I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. 
No offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that 
tickles my funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with 
this experience -- theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat.


I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. 
I was there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into 
the Blade Runner I've seen things you people wouldn't believe 
category. But I can't tell you definitively what they were. Heck, I'm 
still trying to figure many of them out myself.


Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in 
the why things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and 
how to make the best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself.


 No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of 
previous lives could be explained not by any one individual going 
through a serial succession of different life stories but rather could 
be explained as someone accessing our common, racial memory.

 By what mechanism?
 1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the 
astral realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what 
mediums access when they contact the recently deceased. The shells 
dissipate over time so wouldn't explain distant memories.
 2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? 
(This wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in 
medieval France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks 
don't have kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the 
more common ancestors we all have.
 3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the 
Akashic Records. This looks the most promising line to take.
 The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply 
people accessing the Akashic field - are:
 (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories 
of an historical figure.

 (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta.
 (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on 
the Akashic field is bigger than most peoples.




 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then 
a healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My 
intuition says Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. 
Hope we get it right this time around (-:




 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another 
time dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist 
simultaneously with the present.


 Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of these 
events are happening simultaneously, and that something just 
occasionally enables us to step from one pseudo-timestream to another.


  I wonder what it is in our brains or in the frequency of the 
dimensions called time that causes a momentary ability to be able to 
see sine past event. And are you sure it is a former you that is 
participating or simply the current you who has slipped, temporarily, 
into another time frequency and can simply see 

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread sharelong60
That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment? And I 
think it changes over time. Hopefully! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should already 
know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact that he became 
enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment. 
 
 According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw 
all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and suffering he 
had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he was to endure in the 
future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the suffering that all humans will 
endure, past and present and future. At that moment he realized the truth of 
suffering (samsara), action (karma) and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end 
suffering following an Eightfold Path.
 
 The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends on cause 
and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated. 
 
 So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a moral 
reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of caution. That's why 
Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do no harm. You left out the 
reason why you were seeking the spiritual life! Is it for you own gain or for 
the benefit of others? That's the real question.
 
 . And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
  previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
  Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
  the murders? 
 
 I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 
 
 I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you 
definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out 
myself. 
 
 Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 
 
  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
  lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
  succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
  someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
  realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
  when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
  wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
  wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
  France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
  kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
  ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
  Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
  accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
  historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
  Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
  
  
  
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote: 
  
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
  healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
  Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
  this time around (-: 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  wrote: 
   
   Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time 
   dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously 
   with the present. 
  
  Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of these events 
  are happening simultaneously, and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
There's really no past, present or future in the Field. In a parallel 
universe events are occurring simultaneously. So, a person doesn't go 
'back into the past' or 'into the future' because the Field is a unity 
where history is not divided by concepts of time.


  On 11/13/2013 9:55 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


Reand thank God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, 
a parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to 
whatever comes:



There's a interesting possibility raised by this line of reasoning, 
isn't there? If one's present self can recall a past-life experience, 
can't your past-life incarnation experience your present-day self? And 
the obvious end game I'm aiming for is: couldn't you today also 
experience a future incarnation?




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Yeah, I tend to see the flashy experiences the same way, *that* they 
are happening, and how to make that relevant to daily life, vs. 
getting hung up on the forensics. Practical application, whether it be 
immediate, or a longer term learning.


I really appreciated your clear as day recollections of your 
soul/dharmic thread/jiva's past lives. You made it come alive, with 
this last recollection, horribly, yet I could really see it, and thank 
God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, a parallel 
slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to whatever 
comes.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the
Ripper in a previous life should you hand yourself in to the
police?
 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you
off the hook?
 Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when
you committed the murders?

I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to
others. No offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and
creative, and that tickles my funny bone. But -- having kinda been
there done that with this experience -- theorizing about it
doesn't really float my boat.

I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual
experiences. I was there. I experienced these things, some of them
that fall into the Blade Runner I've seen things you people
wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you definitively what
they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out myself.

Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested
in the why things are happening, only in *that* they are
happening, and how to make the best of that. I'm kinda drawn that
way myself.

 No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories
of previous lives could be explained not by any one individual
going through a serial succession of different life stories
but rather could be explained as someone accessing our common,
racial memory.
 By what mechanism?
 1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in
the astral realm. Really, though, the shells are used to
explain what mediums access when they contact the recently
deceased. The shells dissipate over time so wouldn't explain
distant memories.
 2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown
mechanism? (This wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a
pious hermit in medieval France - unless he had a relapse into
sinful passions - monks don't have kids.) Of course, the
further back in time you peer the more common ancestors we all
have.
 3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in
the Akashic Records. This looks the most promising line to take.
 The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are
simply people accessing the Akashic field - are:
 (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have
memories of an historical figure.
 (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta.
 (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her
thumbprint on the Akashic field is bigger than most peoples.



 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together
and then a healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month
ago. My intuition says Atlantis but I've not had any
experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right this time around (-:



 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB
turquoiseb@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into
another time 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Share Long
Except that in my experiences of past life info coming, in each case the info 
helped me to understand what was going on in a current relationship. That was 
useful.





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:11 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Re [empty's statement that]: The residual effect was that I taught
myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.:

  Look - if you and others could really access past-life information
you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be
explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows
that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about
it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you
would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current
scientific paradigm.

I think you're letting your Western sensibilities lead you astray.
There *are* techniques for accessing memories of past lives,
but don't confuse them with New Age Bullshit and I-Wish-I-
Had-Been-Cleopatra-So-I'll-Claim-I-Was fantasies. Such real
techniques tend to be taught only privately to students who
can be trusted with them, and are usually preceded by a
warning similar to Whatever you find out is likely to be
interesting, but essentially a waste of your time, because
it's all about the past. It's what you do Here And Now that
is important, and counts.

I have been exposed to such teachings, but didn't pursue them
because frankly I wasn't interested. My personal past-life
recollections always came upon me rather than me search-
ing for them, and they always came in such a spectacular
fashion that it was difficult to confuse them with fantasies
I made up or wanted to be true. (My flashbacks always
happened during waking state, and involved actually *seeing*
and *being part of the scene* from the past, not imagining it.

As entertainment goes, they were just great. But as far as
having any value, I think the jury is out on that. :-)

As for the Jack The Ripper thang, how could anyone's past-
life recollection shed any light on that unless they happened
to be there, and in a position to have witnessed the events?

  Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex
(gender) in a former life?

What I *have* come across (mainly among the New Age
(rhymes with 'sewage') is at least a dozen people who claim
to have been Cleopatra or Napoleon or someone famous.
One supposes they were time sharing these incarnations
with each other.  :-)

Why doesn't anyone who claims to remember their past
lives ever claim to have been one of the scullery maids or
janitors? Howcum they're all famous? Can you say self
importance? I think you can.  :-)




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Michael Jackson
I have had a number of past life recalls, if you can call it that, mainly as 
you wrote where I was there again and not imagining it. Mostly it was being a 
slave kind of crap, no kings or princes or famous scientists.

One rather interesting one was being a big strapping hermit in medieval France. 
Huge guy, long shaggy black hair, long bushy beard, long plain robes I wore - I 
didn't give a crap about anything except reading the Bible, studying the 
Scripture and praying and putting my awareness on Jesus and God. I ate slop 
cause I didn't care anything about the body. The kids from a nearby village 
would sometimes come to harass me and I would run 'em off.

I lived ate and breathed being a Christian. I lived in a big cave in this 
forest with gigantic big trees. The night I died there was a big storm and 
lightning struck the cave and split rock off the cave wall, a big piece of rock 
slammed me straight in the third eye and killed me graveyard dead.

I left my body and ascended into heaven, it was all golden Light and bliss, I 
got to be with God and Jesus, and do you know what my main feeling was? I got 
the fulfillment of everything I had ever wanted in that life, and all I could 
feel was that I wasn't good enough to be with God and Jesus, I wasn't worthy to 
be in their presence. What a fuck-head! Got what I wanted and all I could feel 
was unworthy. Just goes to show this isn't the first life I've been an idiot.

Years ago my mother was married to a Methodist minister. They did a tour of 
Biltmore Estate. When momma was going through she had strong past life 
remembrances. She hesitatingly told her husband that she remembered being a 
scullery maid there, even remembered the room she lived in. It was very 
emotional for her, and she was a little afraid her husband would not believe 
her, but she told him anyway.

He said I believe you, I remember living here too.

Momma - Oh, really! What did you do here? Were you one of the Vanderbilts?

Husband - No I started to remember I was here in a past life when we went 
through the old stables.

Momma - Oh! Were you one of the stable hands?

Husband - No, I was one of the jackasses in the stable.

Momma was pissed that he made a joke out of it, but she claims she lived there 
before. 

On Wed, 11/13/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 9:10 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
 
 
 
   Re [empty's statement that]: The
 residual effect was that I taught
 
 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past
 lives.:
 
 
 
   Look - if you and others could really access past-life
 information
 
 you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't
 otherwise be
 
 explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such
 knowledge shows
 
 that your supposed recollection is a
 construction. I mean, think about
 
 it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the
 Ripper you
 
 would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the
 current
 
 scientific paradigm.
 
 
 
 I think you're letting your Western sensibilities lead
 you astray.
 
 There *are* techniques for accessing memories of past
 lives,
 
 but don't confuse them with New Age Bullshit and
 I-Wish-I-
 
 Had-Been-Cleopatra-So-I'll-Claim-I-Was fantasies. Such
 real
 
 techniques tend to be taught only privately to students who
 
 can be trusted with them, and are usually preceded by a
 
 warning similar to Whatever you find out is likely to
 be
 
 interesting, but essentially a waste of your time, because
 
 it's all about the past. It's what you do Here And
 Now that
 
 is important, and counts.
 
 
 
 I have been exposed to such teachings, but didn't pursue
 them
 
 because frankly I wasn't interested. My personal
 past-life
 
 recollections always came upon me rather than me
 search-
 
 ing for them, and they always came in such a
 spectacular
 
 fashion that it was difficult to confuse them with
 fantasies
 
 I made up or wanted to be true. (My flashbacks
 always
 
 happened during waking state, and involved actually
 *seeing*
 
 and *being part of the scene* from the past, not imagining
 it.
 
 
 
 As entertainment goes, they were just great. But as far as
 
 having any value, I think the jury is out on that. :-)
 
 
 
 As for the Jack The Ripper thang, how could anyone's
 past-
 
 life recollection shed any light on that unless they
 happened
 
 to be there, and in a position to have witnessed the
 events?
 
 
 
   Did you ever come across people who said they were a
 different sex
 
 (gender) in a former life?
 
 
 
 What I *have* come across (mainly among the New Age
 
 (rhymes with 'sewage') is at least a dozen people
 who claim
 
 to have been Cleopatra or Napoleon or someone famous.
 
 

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread doctordumbass
Amazing story, MJ!  Thanks

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

 I have had a number of past life recalls, if you can call it that, mainly as 
you wrote where I was there again and not imagining it. Mostly it was being a 
slave kind of crap, no kings or princes or famous scientists.
 
 One rather interesting one was being a big strapping hermit in medieval 
France. Huge guy, long shaggy black hair, long bushy beard, long plain robes I 
wore - I didn't give a crap about anything except reading the Bible, studying 
the Scripture and praying and putting my awareness on Jesus and God. I ate slop 
cause I didn't care anything about the body. The kids from a nearby village 
would sometimes come to harass me and I would run 'em off.
 
 I lived ate and breathed being a Christian. I lived in a big cave in this 
forest with gigantic big trees. The night I died there was a big storm and 
lightning struck the cave and split rock off the cave wall, a big piece of rock 
slammed me straight in the third eye and killed me graveyard dead.
 
 I left my body and ascended into heaven, it was all golden Light and bliss, I 
got to be with God and Jesus, and do you know what my main feeling was? I got 
the fulfillment of everything I had ever wanted in that life, and all I could 
feel was that I wasn't good enough to be with God and Jesus, I wasn't worthy to 
be in their presence. What a fuck-head! Got what I wanted and all I could feel 
was unworthy. Just goes to show this isn't the first life I've been an idiot.
 
 Years ago my mother was married to a Methodist minister. They did a tour of 
Biltmore Estate. When momma was going through she had strong past life 
remembrances. She hesitatingly told her husband that she remembered being a 
scullery maid there, even remembered the room she lived in. It was very 
emotional for her, and she was a little afraid her husband would not believe 
her, but she told him anyway.
 
 He said I believe you, I remember living here too.
 
 Momma - Oh, really! What did you do here? Were you one of the Vanderbilts?
 
 Husband - No I started to remember I was here in a past life when we went 
through the old stables.
 
 Momma - Oh! Were you one of the stable hands?
 
 Husband - No, I was one of the jackasses in the stable.
 
 Momma was pissed that he made a joke out of it, but she claims she lived there 
before. 
 
 On Wed, 11/13/13, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 9:10 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
 
 
   Re [empty's statement that]: The
 residual effect was that I taught
 
 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past
 lives.:
 
 
 
  Look - if you and others could really access past-life
 information
 
 you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't
 otherwise be
 
 explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such
 knowledge shows
 
 that your supposed recollection is a
 construction. I mean, think about
 
 it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the
 Ripper you
 
 would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the
 current
 
 scientific paradigm.
 
 
 
 I think you're letting your Western sensibilities lead
 you astray.
 
 There *are* techniques for accessing memories of past
 lives,
 
 but don't confuse them with New Age Bullshit and
 I-Wish-I-
 
 Had-Been-Cleopatra-So-I'll-Claim-I-Was fantasies. Such
 real
 
 techniques tend to be taught only privately to students who
 
 can be trusted with them, and are usually preceded by a
 
 warning similar to Whatever you find out is likely to
 be
 
 interesting, but essentially a waste of your time, because
 
 it's all about the past. It's what you do Here And
 Now that
 
 is important, and counts.
 
 
 
 I have been exposed to such teachings, but didn't pursue
 them
 
 because frankly I wasn't interested. My personal
 past-life
 
 recollections always came upon me rather than me
 search-
 
 ing for them, and they always came in such a
 spectacular
 
 fashion that it was difficult to confuse them with
 fantasies
 
 I made up or wanted to be true. (My flashbacks
 always
 
 happened during waking state, and involved actually
 *seeing*
 
 and *being part of the scene* from the past, not imagining
 it.
 
 
 
 As entertainment goes, they were just great. But as far as
 
 having any value, I think the jury is out on that. :-)
 
 
 
 As for the Jack The Ripper thang, how could anyone's
 past-
 
 life recollection shed any light on that unless they
 happened
 
 to be there, and in a position to have witnessed the
 events?
 
 
 
  Did you ever come across people who said they were a
 different sex
 
 (gender) in a former life?
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
We have the sworn testimony of the TurquoiseB that reincarnation is 
possible because the Turq said he remembered a past life. Also, his 
teacher, the Zen Master Rama, related to the Turq all Rama's past lives:


Zen Master, Kyoto, Japan 1531-1575
Head of Zen Order, Kyoto, Japan 1602-1671
Master of Monastery, Tibet 1725-1804
Jnana Yoga Master, India 1834-1905
Tibetan Lama, Head of Monastic Order, Tibet 1912-1945


On 11/12/2013 3:23 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my 
conscious mind to see into past lives.:



Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you 
could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. 
The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your 
supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if 
you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would 
get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific 
paradigm.



Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours?


There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If 
that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common 
racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what.



Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex 
(gender) in a former life?





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.

But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief

is for those who cannot see directly.


In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle

perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer

in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught

myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.


However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time

with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that 
our group had significant associations in the most immediate past 
life - and indeed it proved to be so.



We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences 
engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and 
terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I 
continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and 
perceived were there/then.



Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see

directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself.


BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context.







---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.


I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a
job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That
depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do
you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never
replied. H.








Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Share Long
Thanks for the fascinating story, empty. My first experience was just words. 
Later I realized that the words were the result of a previous life event. All 
experiences have come during ordinary life, unbidden but welcome for their 
usefulness. Once a long term dear friend and I had a bad argument. I was 
sitting in my car recuping, eyes open. Suddenly I saw us. She was Mother 
Superior and I was the novice she was punishing. Scary but helpful for 
understanding the dynamics of our relationship.
BTW, I love that *jettisoned neolithic myths.*





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:43 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com 
emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Indeed, among New Agers there are some who believe they were xyz 
o'-so-important person. This is often cited as proof it is all phantasy.

Tell that to Buddha and Patanjali, who musta been deluded by the Old Agers. If 
fact there are Westerners who see that as proof that Buddha and Patanjali 
were just indoctrinated Asians. Thus they say I don't believe the bullshit of 
those old bastards 'cause I ain't no fawning yoga-phant.

As a case in point to Turq and Share, when I was 12 years old I was sitting at 
the kitchen table eating something. Suddenly I was a man sitting at an outdoor 
table drinking coffee in a smaller cup and reading a news paper. It was printed 
in gothic script. I especially remember the feeling of self-assurance along 
with the actual optical view of the street and the cars. Then suddenly I was 
sitting back at the kitchen table, feeling how good it was but unable to place 
that into an experiential framework. I never told my Southern Baptist parents 
because such things could never be real. 

Musta been the devil had a bulls-eye on my back 'cause as a 12 year old I was 
so important that he had to pre-condition me to receive the Hindu devils. But 
now I know the truth ... Seraph has liberated me from my illusion with good ol' 
Western psychologistic rationality. 

No need for experience when you've actually know the rational truth ... now 
that we have finally jettisoned neolithic myths. Eureka!

 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


  Re [empty's statement that]: The residual effect was that I taught
myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.:


  Look - if you and others could really access past-life information
you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be
explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows
that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about
it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you
would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current
scientific paradigm.

I think you're letting your Western sensibilities lead you astray.
There *are* techniques for accessing memories of past lives,
but don't confuse them with New Age Bullshit and I-Wish-I-
Had-Been-Cleopatra-So-I'll-Claim-I-Was fantasies. Such real
techniques tend to be taught only privately to students who
can be trusted with them, and are usually preceded by a
warning similar to Whatever you find out is likely to be
interesting, but essentially a waste of your time, because
it's all about the past. It's what you do Here And Now that
is important, and counts.

I have been exposed to such teachings, but didn't pursue them
because frankly I wasn't interested. My personal past-life
recollections always came upon me rather than me search-
ing for them, and they always came in such a spectacular
fashion that it was difficult to confuse them with fantasies
I made up or wanted to be true. (My flashbacks always
happened during waking state, and involved actually *seeing*
and *being part of the scene* from the past, not imagining it.

As entertainment goes, they were just great. But as far as
having any value, I think the jury is out on that. :-)

As for the Jack The Ripper thang, how could anyone's past-
life recollection shed any light on that unless they happened
to be there, and in a position to have witnessed the events?


  Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex
(gender) in a former life?

What I *have* come across (mainly among the New Age
(rhymes with 'sewage') is at least a dozen people who claim
to have been Cleopatra or Napoleon or someone famous.
One supposes they were time sharing these incarnations
with each other.  :-)

Why doesn't anyone who claims to remember their past
lives ever claim to have been one of the scullery maids or
janitors? Howcum they're all famous? Can you say self
importance? I think you can.  :-)


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Share Long
Van and I had lots of experiences about our previous lives together. Usually we 
had different ones except one from primitive times he had and shared, then I 
saw it too, quite easily. The bad one was when suddenly I saw us in a medieval 
dungeon. He was dressed in a long, black robe, a judge of some kind. He was 
there to make sure that the jailor put me in solitary confinement!





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:22 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time dimension 
makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously with the present. 
I wonder what it is in our brains or in the frequency of the dimensions called 
time that causes a momentary ability to be able to see sine past event. And 
are you sure it is a former you that is participating or simply the current you 
who has slipped, temporarily, into another time frequency and can simply see 
what happened back then in that spot? Whatever the case or the reason it is 
something I would like to experience as long as it didn't freak me out too much 
or the event wasn't too violent.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita  wrote:


  I was going to say this: If I was to find myself suddenly in a
past-life - let's say in Elizabethan London - I'd take careful note of
what clothes the people around me wore, what food they ate, what the
houses looked like, etc. and then when I returned I'd check against the
best-available historical evidence. Here's the thing though: if you were
to have a past-life recall can you alter what you're thinking or doing?
If it's a far-memory of you in a previous life is the you that's you
in the 21st century having the recall able to change anything?


I cannot speak to hypothetical situations like yours. I can only say
what it was like for me.

For me it was *not* like lucid dreaming, which I have practiced and
gotten good enough at that I could change things in the dream to suit
myself. The flashes I've had were all short-lived -- thirty seconds to
at most a couple of minutes -- during which I was completely immersed in
the scene. I *did* seem to have some volition, in that I could decide to
try to talk to someone, and pull that off, but it was not the I'm in
control of this vision kinda thang one experiences with lucid dreaming.

I never sought any of these flashes, nor am I interested in doing so
now. They just happened, almost always when I was in the physical
location where the original events took place. That's the part that's so
much FUN about whatever it is. I'm in the same room of a castle, or in
the courtyard of a large city like Carcassonne, and one moment I'm here
and now and the next I'm here and then.

The overall scene doesn't change, just the details -- like what people
are wearing, eating, etc. I guess I could have been more Sherlock
Holmes-y about it, but frankly each time it's happened it's come as such
a surprise and been so thoroughly entertaining that I just allowed
myself to be entertained.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-13 Thread Share Long
fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a healer 
mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says Atlantis 
but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right this time 
around (-:




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time 
 dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously with 
 the present. 

Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of these events are 
happening simultaneously, and that something just occasionally enables us to 
step from one pseudo-timestream to another. 

 I wonder what it is in our brains or in the frequency of the dimensions 
 called time that causes a momentary ability to be able to see sine past 
 event. And are you sure it is a former you that is participating or simply 
 the current you who has slipped, temporarily, into another time frequency and 
 can simply see what happened back then in that spot? 

Again, I cannot speak to anyone else's experience, or to theory or 
hypotheticals. For me, this experience (whatever TF it was) always had a strong 
sense of I being identified with the person whose eyes and ears I was using 
to witness the scene. 

 Whatever the case or the reason it is something I would like to experience as 
 long as it didn't freak me out too much or the event wasn't too violent. 

There have been the occasional violent flashback, but for some reason they 
didn't really freak me out. Probably the most violent was in a basement room of 
the Papal Palace in Avignon, realizing that I had not only been there before 
but been tortured (probably to death) there. My point of view within the room 
remained the same (standing in the same location against a wall), but in the 
here and now I was just standing there with a few other tourists, and in the 
then and now I was strapped to the wall and the other people in the room (all 
in monk's robes) were doing fairly nasty things to me. There was -- 
interestingly -- no real sensation of pain. What freaked me out the most about 
the flashback was seeing the look in the eyes of the people doing this, and 
realizing that they firmly believed they were doing it for the Greater Glory of 
God. They were ECSTATIC, as if torturing a heretic was GETTING THEM OFF.  


 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 s3raphita wrote: 
   
   I was going to say this: If I was to find myself suddenly in a 
  past-life - let's say in Elizabethan London - I'd take careful note of 
  what clothes the people around me wore, what food they ate, what the 
  houses looked like, etc. and then when I returned I'd check against the 
  best-available historical evidence. Here's the thing though: if you were 
  to have a past-life recall can you alter what you're thinking or doing? 
  If it's a far-memory of you in a previous life is the you that's you 
  in the 21st century having the recall able to change anything? 
 
 
  I cannot speak to hypothetical situations like yours. I can only say 
  what it was like for me. 
 
  For me it was *not* like lucid dreaming, which I have practiced and 
  gotten good enough at that I could change things in the dream to suit 
  myself. The flashes I've had were all short-lived -- thirty seconds to 
  at most a couple of minutes -- during which I was completely immersed in 
  the scene. I *did* seem to have some volition, in that I could decide to 
  try to talk to someone, and pull that off, but it was not the I'm in 
  control of this vision kinda thang one experiences with lucid dreaming. 
 
  I never sought any of these flashes, nor am I interested in doing so 
  now. They just happened, almost always when I was in the physical 
  location where the original events took place. That's the part that's so 
  much FUN about whatever it is. I'm in the same room of a castle, or in 
  the courtyard of a large city like Carcassonne, and one moment I'm here 
  and now and the next I'm here and then. 
 
  The overall scene doesn't change, just the details -- like what people 
  are wearing, eating, etc. I guess I could have been more Sherlock 
  Holmes-y about it, but frankly each time it's happened it's come as such 
  a surprise and been so thoroughly entertaining that I just allowed 
  myself to be entertained.




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
It didn't take this thread long to go to shit. This must be the point in 
the conversation when it gets personal. Go figure.


On 11/11/2013 9:31 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


Richard J. is such a literalist. If he was (God forbid) a Moslem or a 
Christian he'd be a fruitcake fundamentalist.



Re his comment that all Hindus and Buddhists believe in samsara, 
karma, and reincarnation:


Yes they *believe* in that bullshit but on what possible 
justification? How many Hindus and Buddhists seriously claim to have 
memories of their previous incarnations? Precious few, I'd bet. 
Reincarnation is a pleasing myth which has value in hinting at the 
great truth that we are *not* the separate, isolated individuals our 
common senses tell us we are.



Re :The Bodhisattva vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to 
attain complete enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings.:


Is Richard J claiming that he has taken (or ever, ever, ever intends 
to take) a vow to work for the complete enlightenment of George W. 
Bush before he will choose to sink into parinirvana? Hypocrite!


Me - I saw screw Dubbya. I want what's mine!



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

Neuroplasticity and the jyotish pitta-laced gulab jamuns at work, no 
doubt.



Gulab Jamun Recipe



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:

I sent this at 10:30 this morning.  It was posted at 4:18 pm.  It must 
be a sign.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:

I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I 
got this one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed 
out.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read /all/ the words. When you 
see where you made your mistake, let us know, OK?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. 
You wrote that Maharishi
 said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of 
the teacher contradicting himself
 so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual 
understanding.


On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:
OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

Share fumbled:

 OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My
indestructible maya. And
 Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of
every cell of our body, Purusha IS
 Prakriti.

(snip)
I wrote:
  Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is
not--but the illusion involved is
  not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't
Brahman.






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-12 Thread Share Long
Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with 
my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a 
current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of 
that relationship.


Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.




On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious 
mind to see into past lives.:

Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could 
tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that 
you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is 
a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true 
identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for 
overturning the current scientific paradigm.

Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours?

There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that 
knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory 
we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what.

Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in 
a former life?

 
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:


Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.
But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief 

is for those who cannot see directly. 


In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle
perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer
in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught 

myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. 

However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time
with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group 
had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it 
proved to be so. 

We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by 
returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became 
unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even 
conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. 

Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see
directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. 

BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. 







---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:


This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.


I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority? he never replied. H.






RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-12 Thread s3raphita
There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder 
how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) 
The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of 
cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, 
forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist.
 

 I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a 
shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with 
a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a 
particular life in a previous existence . . .  H. Is there an email address 
where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers?
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with 
my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a 
current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of 
that relationship.
 

 Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.

 
 
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my 
conscious mind to see into past lives.:
 

 Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could 
tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that 
you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is 
a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true 
identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for 
overturning the current scientific paradigm.
 

 Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours?
 

 There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that 
knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory 
we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what.
 

 Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in 
a former life?
 

  
  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

 Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.
 But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief 

 is for those who cannot see directly. 

 

 In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle
 perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer
 in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught 

 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. 
 

 However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

 particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time
 with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group 
had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it 
proved to be so. 
 

 We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by 
returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became 
unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even 
conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. 
 

 Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see
 directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. 
 

 BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. 
 

 
 

 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.
 

 I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority? he never replied. H.
 

 
 
 

 

 

 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 





RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-12 Thread authfriend
How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do 
you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the 
discussions among the editors?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder 
how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) 
The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of 
cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, 
forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist.
 

 I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a 
shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with 
a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a 
particular life in a previous existence . . .  H. Is there an email address 
where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers?
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with 
my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a 
current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of 
that relationship.
 

 Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.

 
 
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my 
conscious mind to see into past lives.:
 

 Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could 
tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that 
you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is 
a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true 
identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for 
overturning the current scientific paradigm.
 

 Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours?
 

 There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that 
knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory 
we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what.
 

 Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in 
a former life?
 

  
  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

 Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.
 But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief 

 is for those who cannot see directly. 

 

 In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle
 perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer
 in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught 

 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. 
 

 However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

 particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time
 with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group 
had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it 
proved to be so. 
 

 We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by 
returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became 
unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even 
conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. 
 

 Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see
 directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. 
 

 BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. 
 

 
 

 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.
 

 I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority? he never replied. H.
 

 
 
 

 

 

 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 







RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-12 Thread emilymaenot
I learned something new also; that's pretty interesting and it is right in 
front of our noses. I just read the Talk on the Mata Amritanandamayi Wiki 
article.  Pretty humorous (just the creepy aspect of my humor showing itself).  
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do 
you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the 
discussions among the editors?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder 
how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) 
The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of 
cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, 
forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist.
 

 I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a 
shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with 
a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a 
particular life in a previous existence . . .  H. Is there an email address 
where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers?
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with 
my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a 
current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of 
that relationship.
 

 Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.

 
 
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my 
conscious mind to see into past lives.:
 

 Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could 
tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that 
you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is 
a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true 
identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for 
overturning the current scientific paradigm.
 

 Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours?
 

 There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that 
knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory 
we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what.
 

 Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in 
a former life?
 

  
  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

 Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.
 But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief 

 is for those who cannot see directly. 

 

 In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle
 perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer
 in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught 

 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. 
 

 However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

 particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time
 with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group 
had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it 
proved to be so. 
 

 We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by 
returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became 
unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even 
conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. 
 

 Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see
 directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. 
 

 BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. 
 

 
 

 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.
 

 I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority? he never replied. H.
 

 
 
 

 

 

 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 









Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard!*
Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he was a 
selfish bastard? LoL!


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
He probably had to go to work, but all Hindus and Buddhists believe in 
samsara, karma, and reincarnation.


 On 11/11/2013 6:02 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.


I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job 
for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends 
on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really 
believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.



The trouble is, no one takes seriously the idea that we are all at 
root the One Self (or the No-Self - spot the difference). Amuse 
yourselves for a moment by imagining that this idea is true. What 
follows? If all the apparent others are really the Self then the 
idea of reincarnation becomes a perfectly comprehensible *metaphor* 
for the fact that I (which I is also you) am taking on the roles 
of all these different individualities. There's no need to get caught 
up in hair-splitting debates about what exactly gets reincarnated 
across different lifetimes. Buddhism is particularly ridiculous in 
this area - how you can argue that the central doctrine of Buddhism is 
anatta and then talk about successive incarnations of this not-self . 
. . Ugh!



Again: the idea of a Bodhisattva become another perfectly 
comprehensible *metaphor*: to become enlightened - to see that you are 
that One Self - is to see that there are no other sentient beings to 
save - and so you've completed your vow! Give yourself a slap on the 
back.



Isn't the realisation that awareness is continuous and never lost the 
key? Ramana Maharshi taught that there is a gap of a few seconds right 
when you wake up where you can see the I-thought rise up. If the 
I-thought did not rise up each morning, then you would continue to be 
the Self in the waking state. Considered subjectively you are never 
unconscious. What happens is that (say) you are at a party and you 
suddenly open your eyes to find yourself lying on the floor and a 
friend is scolding you for drinking so much punch. Or, you place your 
head on your pillow at night, battle with ogres in a forest, and then 
hear the alarm telling you it's time to get up. Subjectively the 
experience of consciousness is never broken. You *assume* it is broken 
because (as an example) your wife tells you that you were snoring so 
much she retreated to the sofa and you take her description of what 
happened (which is true subjectively for her, of course) to replace 
what you yourself actually experienced.



I know this is entering The Twilight Zone but if you decide to always 
champion your own subjective experience of life over any objective 
description of it then the whole Advaita-Vedanta position becomes 
bleeding obvious. (It could be wrong - but it is obvious!)





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

I said; Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard! (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).



Richard said: Is that the way people over there talk about the 
Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? LoL!



People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.


What's your problem? If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him! 
has to be the best-known quote in Zen.



The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those 
comments never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying!





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:


*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish
bastard!*

Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that
he was a selfish bastard? LoL!






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
The 'Bodhisattva'  is mentioned in the Pali scriptures. The Bodhisattva 
vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to attain complete 
enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings. Both the Theravada 
and the Mahayana unanimously accept the Bodhisattva ideal as the highest.


On 11/11/2013 5:09 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


I said; Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard! (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).



Richard said: Is that the way people over there talk about the 
Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? LoL!



People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.


What's your problem? If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him! 
has to be the best-known quote in Zen.



The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those 
comments never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying!





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:


*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish
bastard!*

Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he
was a selfish bastard? LoL!






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Jackson
just hard-wired into the con artists who claim to be able to do it.

On Fri, 11/8/13, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, November 8, 2013, 3:02 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   So far, on the mat and counted out. This is
 pretty much the goal of every organisation that wants to
 better the world. Interesting that the dire situation at
 hand never seems to get resolved. I suspect most religions
 began with such laudable goals in mind. Could it be that
 this inability to fulfill such a goal is hard-wired into the
 universe? 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 
 “We will count ourselves
 successful only when the problems of today's world are
 substantially
 reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational
 institutions of
 every country are capable of producing fully developed
 citizens.”  
 
 -Maharishi, from the
 founding catalog of Maharishi International University,
 1974
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-08 Thread Richard J. Williams
You are not even making any sense - the Bodhisattva vow is the vow taken 
by Mahayana Buddhists to attain complete enlightenment for the sake of 
all sentient beings, not to forsake enlightenment until everyone else 
is enlightened. How do you get things so mixed up? Go figure.


Bodhisattva vow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vow

On 11/8/2013 5:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 just hard-wired into the con artists who claim to be able to do it.

I am less harsh than you are, Michael, in that I suspect
a lot of people who have such laudable goals mean well,
at least at the beginning.

What I think is hard-wired into the human psyche is
ego, and hubris, and that's what I think is at the root of
such goals, noble as they may seem.

Take the so-called Bodhisattva Vow. Essentially, it is
declaring to oneself and to the world one's intention to
not allow oneself to become enlightened oneself until
all sentient beings are enlightened. Sounds good on
the surface, but step back for a moment and consider
the HUBRIS of such a statement.

To make it, you have to believe 1) that you have the
*ability* to help bring all beings to enlightenment
(can't get more hubristic than that), 2) that it is your
*right* to modify these sentient beings life in accord
with how you think they should be, and 3) that the
universe actually gives a shit what you believe or
what you vow.

Maharishi's quote below is in the same ballpark IMO.
What gives him the *right* to define what fully-
developed citizens are. Are they people who meditate?
Do they include the toadies in the organization he
founded who can only do what they're told, *whatever*
they're told (like smuggling money across international
borders)?

IMO, one should always be wary of overly lofty goals.
They are often trotted out for their Wow factor, and
to *distract* people from the here-and-now daily
activities of those who profess them.

As one spiritual teacher used to say, Listen to what
people say, but watch what they DO. After he gave
this dictum to his students as a rule of thumb, he
was probably more surprised than anyone else when
they started leaving in droves, after realizing that he
failed to walk his own talk.

 
 On Fri, 11/8/13, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:

 So far, on the mat and counted out. This is
 pretty much the goal of every organisation that wants to
 better the world. Interesting that the dire situation at
 hand never seems to get resolved. I suspect most religions
 began with such laudable goals in mind. Could it be that
 this inability to fulfill such a goal is hard-wired into the
 universe?

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:

We will count ourselves
 successful only when the problems of today's world are
 substantially
 reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational
 institutions of
 every country are capable of producing fully developed
 citizens.

 -Maharishi, from the
 founding catalog of Maharishi International University,
 1974