Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Michael Jackson
and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a 
bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in 
their society?

On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an 
Indian writer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Lawson,
 Compared
 to the general American public, TMers can be considered as
 brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through
 the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev.
  But there are those TMers who have relinquished this
 title by words and actions.
 Also,
 by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should
 be considered as such.  But not all persons born to the
 brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they
 don't act accordingly.  IMO, that's where the
 present caste system in India has failed to
 recognize..
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
 wrote:
 
 Maharishi's
 take on these things was often exactly what he heard from
 Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual
 leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi
 speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of
 channeling his guru.
 And
 really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of
 the history of the TM organization. 
 He
 made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use
 householder mantras, and he simplified things as
 much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and
 may have simplified the practice itself. But he never
 explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him
 exactly.
 But,
 my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor
 to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question:
 What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is
 he legitimate?
 The
 answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my
 first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to
 the caste laws.
 
 So...
 whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably
 similar to what Gurudev said.
 L
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/11/2014 9:10 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from 
Gurudev.


This should be pretty easy to verify. L.B. Shriver didn't get many 
replies to his thread about his book, Rocks Are Melting the everyday 
teachings of SBS except for Buck in the  Dome. Go figure. You've got to 
realize, Lawson, that there are only about three or four TMers seriously 
posting to this list. Most of the informants aren't interested in what 
MMY or SBS said or taught. Go figure.


Apparently in the late 1990's, L.B. Shriver traveled to India as a 
journalist-seeker to find answers to questions he had about Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati...


'The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda 
Saraswati'

by L.B. Shriver; translation by Cynthia Ann Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?contributorId=1244510


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Bhairitu
The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are 
not locked into any particular caste.  It has more to do with dharma.  
I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual 
achievement is a brahmin.


On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:


and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system 
was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued 
domination in their society?


On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by 
an Indian writer

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM


























Lawson,
Compared
to the general American public, TMers can be considered as
brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through
the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev.
 But there are those TMers who have relinquished this
title by words and actions.
Also,
by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should
be considered as such.  But not all persons born to the
brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they
don't act accordingly.  IMO, that's where the
present caste system in India has failed to
recognize..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote:

Maharishi's
take on these things was often exactly what he heard from
Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual
leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi
speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of
channeling his guru.
And
really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of
the history of the TM organization.
He
made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use
householder mantras, and he simplified things as
much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and
may have simplified the practice itself. But he never
explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him
exactly.
But,
my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor
to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question:
What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is
he legitimate?
The
answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my
first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to
the caste laws.

So...
whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably
similar to what Gurudev said.
L



























Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Share Long
noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-:





On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not 
locked into any particular caste.  It has more to do with dharma.  I've heard 
Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. 

On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

  
and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a 
bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in 
their society?

On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on
  the vedas by an Indian writer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM
















 









Lawson,
Compared
to the general American public, TMers can be considered as
brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through
the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev.
 But there are those TMers who have relinquished this
title by words and actions.
Also,
by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin
  should
be considered as such.  But not all persons born to the
brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if
  they
don't act accordingly.  IMO, that's where the
present caste system in India has failed to
recognize..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote:

Maharishi's
take on these things was often exactly what he heard from
Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual
leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi
speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of
channeling his guru.
And
really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most
  of
the history of the TM organization. 
He
made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use
householder mantras, and he simplified things as
much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and
may have simplified the practice itself. But he never
explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him
exactly.
But,
my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the
  successor
to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question:
What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is
he legitimate?
The
answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my
first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to
the caste laws.

So...
whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably
similar to what Gurudev said.
L


























Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread jr_esq
Bhairitu, 

 Technically, what you're saying is correct.  Intellectuals could be considered 
as brahmins.  


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Bhairitu

Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-)

On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a 
brahmin (-:




On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people 
are not locked into any particular caste.  It has more to do with 
dharma.  I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues 
intellectual achievement is a brahmin.


On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system 
was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued 
domination in their society?


On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com 
jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas 
by an Indian writer

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM


























Lawson,
Compared
to the general American public, TMers can be considered as
brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through
the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev.
 But there are those TMers who have relinquished this
title by words and actions.
Also,
by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should
be considered as such.  But not all persons born to the
brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they
don't act accordingly.  IMO, that's where the
present caste system in India has failed to
recognize..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... 
mailto:LEnglish5@...

wrote:

Maharishi's
take on these things was often exactly what he heard from
Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual
leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi
speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of
channeling his guru.
And
really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of
the history of the TM organization.
He
made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use
householder mantras, and he simplified things as
much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and
may have simplified the practice itself. But he never
explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him
exactly.
But,
my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor
to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question:
What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is
he legitimate?
The
answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my
first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to
the caste laws.

So...
whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably
similar to what Gurudev said.
L































Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Share Long
definitely a few kshatriyas (-:





On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:33 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-) 

On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-:






On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not 
locked into any particular caste.  It has more to do with dharma.  I've heard 
Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. 

On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael
  Jackson wrote:

  
and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a 
bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in 
their society?

On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE:
VERY interesting take on the
vedas by an Indian writer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 12,
2014, 5:44 AM
















 









Lawson,
Compared
to the general American public,
TMers can be considered as
brahmins, or twice born, since
all of us have gone through
the initiation to the meditation
tradition of Gurudev.
 But there are those TMers who
have relinquished this
title by words and actions.
Also,
by reason, those who have earned
to become a brahmin should
be considered as such.  But not
all persons born to the
brahmin caste are qualified to
be considered as one if they
don't act accordingly.  IMO,
that's where the
present caste system in India
has failed to
recognize..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote:

Maharishi's
take on these things was often
exactly what he heard from
Gurudev. I've read comments from
famous gurus/spiritual
leaders in India who knew
Gurudev and then heard Maharishi
speak, and they basiclly said he
did a good job of
channeling his guru.
And
really, that is all he ever
claimed he was doing for most of
the history of the TM
organization. 
He
made it clear where he changed
things: he chose to use
householder mantras, and he
simplified things as
much as he possibly could with
respect to teaching TM, and
may have simplified the practice
itself. But he never
explained in detail the changes
or what Gurudev taught him
exactly.
But,
my friend Anoop Chandola had a
chance to meet the successor
to Gurudev named in the will,
and asked the question:
What about this Maharishi who
is with the Beatles? Is
he legitimate?
The
answer was: Let me put it this
way: he would be my
first as my successor, but they
won't allow it due to
the caste laws.

So...
whatever Maharishi said about
such things, it was probably
similar to what Gurudev said.
L





























Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-12 Thread Michael Jackson
so I amend my remarks to say that it got derailed AFTER the brahmins shanghaied 
it for their pleasure - the Laws of Manu were a watershed for that I believe. 

On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian 
writer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:43 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   MJ,
 The caste system was originally created to divide
 the work in society based on the person's inherent and
 natural gifts for certain skills.  Brahmins are
 supposed to perform the priestly duties for society.
  They can come from any family in society as long as
 they are intellectually and temperamentally suited to
 perform the duties.  It was not meant to create
 permanent jobs for certain families or tribes in society,
 which is the way the caste system is practiced today in
 India.
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-11 Thread Michael Jackson
He's got some funny stuff on his blog - this is one of them







On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:


http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/

That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness 
around here.


http://neoindian.org/2009/03/06/6-surprising-benefits-of-moving-to-india/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-11 Thread Michael Jackson
I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's 
about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently 
that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it 
off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, 
I have no idea - all above my head.

On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian 
writer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Hey
 Michael (or anyone else)
 I skimmed the article, but
 are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the
 first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you
 think it's just a bunch of BS.  This is not a trick
 question.  I'm not saying that it was a stroke of
 genius. I'm not making any judgments about it.
  I'm just kind of curious what your take might be
 on it, if youre familiar with it, that
 is.
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-11 Thread steve.sundur
I understand.  I might suggest that there was a side of him that you missed.  
Whether it would have changed your outlook on him, I don't know.  In general, I 
think that part of what he had to offer (namely some of the knowledge stuff) 
has pretty much been obscured.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

 I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's 
about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently 
that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it 
off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, 
I have no idea - all above my head.
 
 On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... 
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian 
writer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hey
 Michael (or anyone else)
 I skimmed the article, but
 are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the
 first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you
 think it's just a bunch of BS.  This is not a trick
 question.  I'm not saying that it was a stroke of
 genius. I'm not making any judgments about it.
  I'm just kind of curious what your take might be
 on it, if youre familiar with it, that
 is. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-11 Thread LEnglish5
Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. 
I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew 
Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good 
job of channeling his guru.
 

 And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history 
of the TM organization. 
 

 He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder 
mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to 
teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never 
explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly.
 

 But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev 
named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is 
with the Beatles? Is he legitimate?
 

 The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, 
but they won't allow it due to the caste laws.
 

 

 So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to 
what Gurudev said.
 

 L


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer

2014-02-11 Thread jr_esq
Lawson,
 

 Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, 
or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the 
meditation tradition of Gurudev.  But there are those TMers who have 
relinquished this title by words and actions.
 

 Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be 
considered as such.  But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are 
qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly.  IMO, that's 
where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize..
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote:

 Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. 
I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew 
Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good 
job of channeling his guru.
 

 And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history 
of the TM organization. 
 

 He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder 
mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to 
teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never 
explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly.
 

 But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev 
named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is 
with the Beatles? Is he legitimate?
 

 The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, 
but they won't allow it due to the caste laws.
 

 

 So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to 
what Gurudev said.
 

 L