Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
You might consider telling us the truth about ethanol instead of sending 
us to Snopes for a mixed report. Ethanol is a government fraud an a 
rippoff. Go figure.


On 12/12/2013 11:52 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


You might want to actually /read/ what Snopes has to say.


Richard trolled:


  We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. 


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that
is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it
has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen
koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take
action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread authfriend
Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads off at 
Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-)
 
Share burbled:

  It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the 
need for certainty (-: 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:13 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... 
wrote:
 
   We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure.
 

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
   Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says 
to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is 
what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have 
to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!  













 
 
 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread authfriend
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes 
Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.
 

 Richard trolled:
 
  It's a conspiracy by the federal government and political operatives like 
Al Gore to screw the public in order to prevent another green company 
bankruptcy. Judy tried to denigrate Share and the Fox news segment based on her 
political ideology and personal animosity toward Share. Then Judy tried to send 
 us to Snope's to read a mixed review. Judy has a problem with telling the 
truth. 
 
 Instead of feeding us junk science she should have just reported the truth 
about ethanol. She fibbed and got caught and now she's in denial mode, and 
everyone knows it. Judy's mis-direction could have caused some car owners 
hundreds of dollars in repairs and been cause for their car warranty being 
dishonered. She should be reported to the group owner for posting fibs and 
mis-information.
 
 The truth is the use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is 
has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is 
more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global 
warming emissions. 
 
 The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The real reason for 
ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the 
federal government and now Judy is a co-spirator to the scam by not being 
totally truthful.
 
 Maybe Judy should just keep her pie hole shut about stuff she doesn't know 
anything about and instead of ankle-biting Share at every message she sends, 
just stick to subjects she is willing to be truthful about. Obviously Judy 
can't be trusted anymore, and I'm beginning to think there are lot's of other 
subjects where her information is also suspect. Go figure. 

 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 12/13/2013 9:34 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads 
off at Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-)

Yeah, we're laughing our heads off, but at you not at Share. LoL!

Nobody but you said that the Fox News report was not fair and balanced. 
You, on the other hand attempted to mislead, because of your 
ankle-biting toward Share. You were NOT fair and balanced - you were 
petty. Next time, try to put your own spin on the facts and not depend 
on Snopes.


Almost all gasoline sold in the U.S. has some ethanol content. But, some 
progress is being made to get rid of ethanol completely because it gums 
up your fuel system with water retention. Ethanol users experience a 
25–30% drop in miles per gallon due to ethanol’s lower energy content. 
And, it produces more smog and creates higher prices for corn products.


'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate'
Reuters:
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate 
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html


'The Great Ethanol Scam'
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/ 
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm


'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?'
Popular Mechanics:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gasoline-damage-engine 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine


To determine if your vehicle can use E85, consult your owner’s manual 
or check the inside of your car's fuel filler door for an identification 
sticker.


Ethanol:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 12/13/2013 9:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except 
Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, 
let me know.*
What would you know about ethanol use, if all you've done is an internet 
reading of Snopes?


'The Great Ethanol Scam'
http://www.businessweek.com/ethano scam 
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread authfriend
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes 
Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.
 

 Richard trolled:
 
 On 12/13/2013 9:34 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
 Anyone who actually read the Snopes piece is now laughing their heads off at 
Richard and Share. A real class act, those two. ;-) Yeah, we're laughing our 
heads off, but at you not at Share. LoL!
 
 Nobody but you said that the Fox News report was not fair and balanced. You, 
on the other hand attempted to mislead, because of your ankle-biting toward 
Share. You were NOT fair and balanced - you were petty. Next time, try to put 
your own spin on the facts and not depend on Snopes.
 
 Almost all gasoline sold in the U.S. has some ethanol content. But, some 
progress is being made to get rid of ethanol completely because it gums up your 
fuel system with water retention. Ethanol users experience a 25–30% drop in 
miles per gallon due to ethanol’s lower energy content. And, it produces more 
smog and creates higher prices for corn products.
 
 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate'
 Reuters:
 http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate 
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html
 
 'The Great Ethanol Scam'
 http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/ 
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm
 
 'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?'
 Popular Mechanics:
 http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gasoline-damage-engine 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine
 
 To determine if your vehicle can use E85, consult your owner’s manual or 
check the inside of your car's fuel filler door for an identification sticker.
 
 Ethanol:
 http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 12/13/2013 10:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except 
Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, 
let me know.
You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - 
that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. 
This gal's ego is so big she can't admit an error when it's right in 
front of her. Judy must think that by citing Snopes, she's an expert on 
vehicle fueling.


I'm sure this won't be lost on Share, Barry, and Zeno.

But, it does make one wonder why she'd pick the corn ethanol scam to 
ankle-bite Share - it's got to be more than the fact that Judy doesn't 
like Fox News. It's especially bizarre when you consider that it's 
Democrats like Diane Feinstein that want to repeal the corn-based 
ethanol part of the alternative fuels mandate. Go figure.


The EPA proposed cutting the overall 2014 mandate to 15.21 billion 
gallons, about 16 percent less than the current 2014 mandate's 18.15 
billion gallons, and below this year's requirement of 16.55 billion 
gallons.


'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate'
Reuters:
http://reuters_news/senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate 
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread authfriend
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes 
Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.
 

 Richard trolled:
 

 On 12/13/2013 10:33 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
 This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) 
takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. You 
can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - that's when 
she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. This gal's ego is 
so big she can't admit an error when it's right in front of her. Judy must 
think that by citing Snopes, she's an expert on vehicle fueling.
 
 I'm sure this won't be lost on Share, Barry, and Zeno.
 
 But, it does make one wonder why she'd pick the corn ethanol scam to 
ankle-bite Share - it's got to be more than the fact that Judy doesn't like Fox 
News. It's especially bizarre when you consider that it's Democrats like Diane 
Feinstein that want to repeal the corn-based ethanol part of the alternative 
fuels mandate. Go figure. 
 
 The EPA proposed cutting the overall 2014 mandate to 15.21 billion gallons, 
about 16 percent less than the current 2014 mandate's 18.15 billion gallons, 
and below this year's requirement of 16.55 billion gallons.
 
 'U.S. Senators introduce bill to eliminate corn ethanol mandate'
 Reuters:
 http://reuters_news/senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate 
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senators-introduce-bill-eliminate-corn-ethanol-mandate-171800910--finance.html
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-13 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 12/13/2013 1:29 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except 
Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, 
let me know.
You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - 
that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing.


'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?'
Popular Mechanics:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/ 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-12 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Actually gas distributors stopped shipping 87-unleaded gasoline to Iowa 
recently. The only alchy free gas you can buy now is premium grade that costs 
about 50 cents per gallon more than the alchy blends. Buy premium for your 
small gasoline engines like chainsaws, snowblowers and generators and such. 
 

 The alchy gas blends are curtsey the corn lobby. Blending gas with corn-alchy 
is incredibly stoopid thermodynamics. Thank big fat subsidized corn farmers and 
big green farm implement industry.  
 Is extremely sad for the soil the way they farm it now for all the corn and 
beans going to distillers. The pictures now of bad commodity farming are worth 
a thousand words about their soil erosion. See these pictures and weep: 
https://sites.google.com/site/commodityagsoilerosion/ 
https://sites.google.com/site/commodityagsoilerosion/ 
 
 -Buck


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-12 Thread authfriend
You might want to actually read what Snopes has to say.
 

 Richard trolled:
 
   We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. 
 

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
   Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says 
to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is 
what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have 
to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever! 








 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread authfriend
You've totally lost the plot here, Share. Neither the EPA nor the AAA is saying 
(as Fox News did in the video you posted) that E15 is safe for cars made after 
2012. The issue is whether it's safe for cars made after 2001.
 

 You didn't read what Snopes.com had to say, did you?
 

 Or is it a lie to ask you that question? guffaw
 

 Share bleated:
 
  Well I find AAA way more trustworthy than EPA. YMMV. Especially if you use 
  E15 ha ha!
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:39 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the 
EPA's side and the AAA's side.
 

 It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare 
emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date 
the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA 
claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to 
cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being 
Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)
 

 Bhairitu wrote:
 
  A little more recent info on the  
 situation:
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
 It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012.
 

 It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.
 

   It's vehicles before 2001.  Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. 
   Well, green groups can just give me a loan for  a new hybrid at a $1 down 
  and a $1 a month.  But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in 
  California.
 
 On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. 
As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.
 
 
 BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
 
 
 Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts 
aren't.
 
 
 Share warned:
 
  in case you don't already know about it:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

Well, it sure helps if you read your car owner's manual. LoL!

On 12/11/2013 8:27 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Poor Ricky, of course he must surely realize that owning a motor 
vehicle or not has absolutely nothing to do with how much one knows 
about motor vehicles. The average owner can barely figure out how to 
check their own oil let alone change it. But that is not stopping him 
making the usual rude remarks about Judy as if we were all idiots.




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
Speak for yourself, but I've read probably a hundred owner's manuals - 
anyone who wants to understand their vehicle's operation can buy a 
Chilton's manual at Auto Zone or on Amazon. Reading an owner's manual is 
what intelligent people do when they buy a car.


On 12/11/2013 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


FYI, nobody reads car owners manuals. Especially men.






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread sharelong60
Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 so 
I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the car 
makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to Snopes 
LOL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread authfriend
ROTFL. Obviously, Share hasn't read what Snopes has to say.
 

 http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

 

 It didn't occur to her to wonder where I got the information I put in my post 
about the warranties.
 

 Share shoots herself in the foot, again:
 
   Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 
   so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the 
   car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to 
   Snopes LOL.   
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread doctordumbass
You can buy a Chilton's manual to *understand* how your car works - but, unless 
Chilton's has improved -a lot- over the last ten years, to actually *fix* your 
car, you need the mfrs. service manuals.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
Share would probably believe her Honda Civic owner's manual before she 
would believe anything Snope's has to say about her vehicle. Certainly, 
she wouldn't believe anything you have to say about any vehicle, since 
you probably don't even have a driver's license or know how to drive a 
car, truck, bus, or even a Vespa scooter. Go figure.


On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*ROTFL. Obviously, Share hasn't read what Snopes has to say.*

*
*

*http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
*


It didn't occur to her to wonder where I got the information I put in 
my post about the warranties.



*Share shoots herself in the foot, again:*


  Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in 
Feb 2006 so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was 
one of the car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses 
E15! All glory to Snopes LOL.  







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
It doesn't even take a Chilton's manual to find out if you can use 
ethanol in your car and what mixture. Just ask your service station guy 
or anyone at Pep Boys.


On 12/11/2013 9:38 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


You can buy a Chilton's manual to *understand* how your car works - 
but, unless Chilton's has improved -a lot- over the last ten years, to 
actually *fix* your car, you need the mfrs. service manuals.







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread authfriend
Read the Snopes page too, while you're at it. Then maybe you can stop 
compulsively shooting yourself in the foot.
 
Share smarmed:

   Richard, I really like Snopes but you're right. I'd trust my owner's 
   manual more.  Now if only I would sit down and read it!  
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-11 Thread authfriend
Richard pooped:
 

   Share would probably believe her Honda Civic owner's manual before she 
   would believe anything Snope's has to say about her vehicle.   
 

 FAIL. Richard hasn't read the Snopes article either.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread authfriend
Share snarled:
 
  Refuting Judy's sneaky lie:
 

 LOL. Share has now redefined question to mean lie if the answer isn't 
Yes. I'll remember that. Wish she had redefined it earlier so I could have 
applied it to her own questions to me. Maybe I'll go back and pick out a few... 
Won't that be fun, Share?
 

  I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV.
 

 I'm glad to hear you don't watch Fox. I guess it was the fact that you posted 
a Fox News video in support of your claim that gave me the idea. Crazy, huh?
 

 That you don't watch any news, however, explains even more than if you did 
watch Fox News.
 

  As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...

 

 Whatever you do, don't read what Snopes has to say (My mind is made up, don't 
confuse me with the facts),
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.
 

 BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:
 

 http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

 
Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts 
aren't.
 

 Share warned:
 
  in case you don't already know about it:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 




 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread Richard J. Williams

Judy snarked:


That you don't  watch any news, however, explains even more than

 if you did watch Fox News.

Judy is probably the TV news watcher around here - broadcast MSNBC I'd 
guess. Go figure.


Judy is just getting hammered from all sides these days. Maybe if she 
shut her yap for a few days and got some work done so she can pay the 
rent, she'd be in a better mood. Judy doesn't seem to get the message 
that NOBODY wants to dialog witth her anymore because she's an 
ankle-biter, plain and simple.





On 12/10/2013 2:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Share snarled:


 Refuting Judy's sneaky lie:

LOL. Share has now redefined question to mean lie if the answer 
isn't Yes. I'll remember that. Wish she had redefined it earlier so 
I could have applied it to her own questions to me. Maybe I'll go back 
and pick out a few... Won't that be fun, Share?


 I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV.

I'm glad to hear you don't watch Fox. I guess it was the fact that you 
posted a Fox News video in support of your claim that gave me the 
idea. Crazy, huh?


That you don't watch any news, however, explains even more than if you 
did watch Fox News.


 As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...

Whatever you do, don't read what Snopes has to say (My mind is made 
up, don't confuse me with the facts),




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... 
authfriend@... wrote:

So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.

BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, 
parts aren't.


Share warned:

 in case you don't already know about it:
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU**

*







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread authfriend
Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's 
side and the AAA's side.
 

 It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare 
emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date 
the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA 
claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to 
cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being 
Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)
 

 Bhairitu wrote:
 
  A little more recent info on the  situation:
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
 It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012.
 

 It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.
 

   It's vehicles before 2001.  Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. 
   Well, green groups can just give me a loan for  a new hybrid at a $1 down 
  and a $1 a month.  But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in 
  California.
 
 On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. 
As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.
 
 
 BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
 
 
 Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts 
aren't.
 
 
 Share warned:
 
  in case you don't already know about it:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread Bhairitu
It's cars made before 2001 it might harm.  Anyway the more recent 
article shows that the EPA is backing down.  People can't afford to buy 
new cars like they used to and are trying to make what they have last.


Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in 
HFCS?  I was just noting the other day that products I bought or looked 
at last year such as the can of whipped cream no longer have HFCS.  
Consumers have spoken.


On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both 
the EPA's side and the AAA's side.*


*
*

*It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the 
viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of 
confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems 
unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 
2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a 
matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making 
Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)*


*
*

*Bhairitu wrote:*


 A little more recent info on the  situation:
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline

 It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012.

*It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.*

  It's vehicles before 2001.  Which might be a problem with my 1998 
Forester.  Well, green groups can just give me a loan for  a new 
hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month.  But it looks like E15 is not 
going to happen here in California.


On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote:

Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't 
have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... 
mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.

BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, 
parts aren't.


Share warned:

 in case you don't already know about it:
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU**

*









Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread authfriend
AAA claims it will damage cars made after 2001 as well. That's what the dispute 
is about; EPA says only cars made before 2001. A bunch of car makers have said 
using E15 will void warranties.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

  It's cars made before 2001 it might harm.  Anyway the more recent article 
  shows that the EPA is backing down.  People can't afford to buy new cars 
  like they used to and are trying to make what they have last.
 
 Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in HFCS?  I 
was just noting the other day that products I bought or looked at last year 
such as the can of whipped cream no longer have HFCS.  Consumers have spoken.
 
 On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the 
EPA's side and the AAA's side.
 
 
 It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare 
emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date 
the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA 
claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to 
cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being 
Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)
 
 
 Bhairitu wrote:
 
  A little more recent info on the  situation:
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline
 
  It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012.
 
 
 It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.
 
 
   It's vehicles before 2001.  Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. 
   Well, green groups can just give me a loan for  a new hybrid at a $1 down 
  and a $1 a month.  But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in 
  California.
 
 On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. 
As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.
 
 
 BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
 
 
 Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts 
aren't.
 
 
 Share warned:
 
  in case you don't already know about it:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don#39;t use E15 gas...

2013-12-10 Thread Bhairitu
I looked in my 1998 Subaru manual and it warns of using any fuel with 
greater than 10% ethanol.  The level for MTBE (which I believe has been 
discontinued) is 15%.  Of course my warranty is long gone but Subarus 
are like the Eveready Bunny as long as you take care of them.


On 12/10/2013 04:59 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*AAA claims it will damage cars made after 2001 as well. That's what 
the dispute is about; EPA says only cars made before 2001. A bunch of 
car makers have said using E15 will void warranties.*


*
Bhairitu wrote:
*
 It's cars made before 2001 it might harm.  Anyway the more recent 
article shows that the EPA is backing down.  People can't afford to 
buy new cars like they used to and are trying to make what they have last.


Or is this the corn farmers trying to solve the declining market in 
HFCS?  I was just noting the other day that products I bought or 
looked at last year such as the can of whipped cream no longer have 
HFCS. Consumers have spoken.


On 12/10/2013 04:39 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

*Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both 
the EPA's side and the AAA's side.*


*
*

*It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the 
viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of 
confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems 
unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made 
after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. 
(It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been 
making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)*


*
*

*Bhairitu wrote:*


 A little more recent info on the  situation:
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline

 It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012.

*It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.*

  It's vehicles before 2001.  Which might be a problem with my 1998 
Forester.  Well, green groups can just give me a loan for  a new 
hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month.  But it looks like E15 is not 
going to happen here in California.


On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote:

Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't 
have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV...




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... 
mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.

BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, 
parts aren't.


Share warned:

 in case you don't already know about it:
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU**

*