Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   You aren't disagreeing

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, besides ontological? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading. It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this. Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines: Fortunate are they who live

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant by at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC and UC. But like he said, it's a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of union! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
Don't think so. He refers to both as Union; and I can't imagine he'd be saying it's OK to stop at GC and not go on to UC. Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant by at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC and UC. But like

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread yifuxero
Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most of it); the word union has the meaning of being one with Jesus (not pure Consciousness) in an ecstatic state in which the Saint loses outer awareness and may be seen levitating. Examples: - St. John of the Cross and St.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
He rejected Catholicism years ago, as it happens, but thanks for the explanation. I think the end may have gotten cut off there--or did you go into an ecstatic state and lose outer awareness? ;-) Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most of it); the word