Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in 
the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, 
I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals.


I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred.




On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what 
he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, 
except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the 
doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).


 I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 


I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 


Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern 
tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it 
lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, 
life.

Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their
brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way.

This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human 
development. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, 
and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly 
heretical.
 

 You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.
 

  Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.
 

 I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know 
what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human 
development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with 
God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).
 
  I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 

 

 I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 

 

 Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern 
tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it 
lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, 
life.
 

 Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a 
very, very healthy way.
 

 This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
 Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
human development. 





 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that 
believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism?





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, 
and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly 
heretical.

You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.

 Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.


I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 




On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what 
he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, 
except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the 
doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).


 I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 


I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 


Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed
an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I 
think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the 
atheists, life.

Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their
brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way.

This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human 
development. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether 
the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic 
religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you 
get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I 
doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any 
sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly 
heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion.
 

  I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, 
that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism? 
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, 
Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is 
blatantly heretical.
 

 You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.
 

  Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.
 

 I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know 
what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human 
development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with 
God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).
 
  I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 

 

 I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 

 

 Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern 
tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it 
lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, 
life.
 

 Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a 
very, very healthy way.
 

 This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
 Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
human development. 





 














 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, 
besides ontological?





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether 
the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic 
religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you 
get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I 
doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any 
sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly 
heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion.

 I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, 
that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism? 





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, 
and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly 
heretical.

You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.

 Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.


I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that
I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern 
system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 




On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what 
he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, 
except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the 
doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).


 I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion
or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, 
Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 


I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 


Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed
an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I 
think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the 
atheists, life.

Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their
brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way.

This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human 
development. 







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading.
 

 It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this 
context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this.
 

 Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines:
 

 Fortunate are they who live in Union with God.
They are man's guides on earth, furthering the
evolution of all creation. They are above the
limitations of religion or race. Whether they
play with God or hold Him as one with their own
Being is a point to be settled between them and
God.

They live as devotees of God or they become
united, become one with their Beloved--it is a
matter between them. Let it be decided on that
level of Union. One view need not exclude the
other. It is a sin against God to raise
differences over the principle of Union. Let the
followers of both schools of thought aspire to
achieve their respective goals and then find in
that consciousness that the other standpoint is
also right at its own level.

--Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32

 

 Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God 
maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's 
also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind 
the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that 
play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions 
(the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept).
 

 I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological 
Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union.
 

  Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, 
besides ontological? 

 
 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether 
the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic 
religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you 
get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I 
doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any 
sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly 
heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion.
 

  I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, 
that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism? 
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, 
Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is 
blatantly heretical.
 

 You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.
 

  Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.
 

 I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know 
what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human 
development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with 
God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).
 
  I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 

 

 I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 

 

 Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern 
tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it 
lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, 
life.
 

 Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a 
very, very healthy way.
 

 This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I 
recognize that it's been gripping me!
 Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
human development. 





 














 














 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant by 
at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC and 
UC. But like he said, it's a sin against God to raise differences over the 
principle of union!





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading.

It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this 
context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this.

Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines:

Fortunate are they who live in Union with God.
They are man's guides on earth, furthering the
evolution of all creation. They are above the
limitations of religion or race. Whether they
play with God or hold Him as one with their own
Being is a point to be settled between them and
God.

They live as devotees of God or they become
united, become one with their Beloved--it is a
matter between them. Let it be decided on that
level of Union. One view need not exclude the
other. It is a sin against God to raise
differences over the principle of Union. Let the
followers of both schools of thought aspire to
achieve their respective goals and then find in
that consciousness that the other standpoint is
also right at its own level.

--Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32


Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God 
maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's 
also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind 
the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that 
play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions 
(the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept).

I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological 
Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union.

 Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, 
besides ontological? 




On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether 
the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic 
religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you 
get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I 
doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any 
sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly 
heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion.

 I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, 
that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism? 





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, 
and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly 
heretical.

You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.

 Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.


I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that
I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern 
system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 




On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what 
he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, 
except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the 
doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).


 I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion
or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, 
Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 


I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 


Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed
an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I 
think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the 
atheists, life.

Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI 
machine, I think we would find that 99% of their
brain was functioning in a very, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
Don't think so. He refers to both as Union; and I can't imagine he'd be saying 
it's OK to stop at GC and not go on to UC.
 

  Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant 
by at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC 
and UC. But like he said, it's a sin against God to raise differences over the 
principle of union! 
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading.
 

 It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this 
context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this.
 

 Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines:
 

 Fortunate are they who live in Union with God.
They are man's guides on earth, furthering the
evolution of all creation. They are above the
limitations of religion or race. Whether they
play with God or hold Him as one with their own
Being is a point to be settled between them and
God.

They live as devotees of God or they become
united, become one with their Beloved--it is a
matter between them. Let it be decided on that
level of Union. One view need not exclude the
other. It is a sin against God to raise
differences over the principle of Union. Let the
followers of both schools of thought aspire to
achieve their respective goals and then find in
that consciousness that the other standpoint is
also right at its own level.

--Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32

 

 Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God 
maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's 
also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind 
the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that 
play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions 
(the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept).
 

 I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological 
Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union.
 

  Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, 
besides ontological? 

 
 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether 
the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic 
religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you 
get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I 
doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any 
sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly 
heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion.
 

  I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, 
that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the 
Kabbalists in Judaism? 
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, 
Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is 
blatantly heretical.
 

 You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that.
 

  Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say 
in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have 
written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some 
individuals.
 

 I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it 
doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion 
or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about 
others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that 
enlightenment, etc. has occurred. 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know 
what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human 
development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with 
God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions).
 
  I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and 
without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, 
tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. 

 

 I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but 
which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like 
Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. 

 

 Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern 
tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it 
lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread yifuxero
Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most of 
it); the word union has the meaning of being one with Jesus (not pure 
Consciousness) in an ecstatic state in which the Saint loses outer awareness 
and may be seen levitating.  Examples: - St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa 
hsbased on direct experience being , of e un


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred

2014-02-11 Thread authfriend
He rejected Catholicism years ago, as it happens, but thanks for the 
explanation. I think the end may have gotten cut off there--or did you go into 
an ecstatic state and lose outer awareness? ;-)
 

  Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most 
of it); the word union has the meaning of being one with Jesus (not pure 
Consciousness) in an ecstatic state in which the Saint loses outer awareness 
and may be seen levitating.  Examples: - St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa 
hsbased on direct experience being , of e un