Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I would say normal is what you aspire to but your world view is so much a 
Bizarro world view I don't think you can ever get even close to normal.




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before 
that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, 
from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my 
post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the 
blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, 
chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!

sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to 
normal.

Jai Guru Dev
J. Edgar Hoover
John Philip Sousa

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.




 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now



 
Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War 
Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can 
see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



most of the world is free of war

your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush

Number of current wars:
AFRICA:(26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil
war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt
(popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist
militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria
(war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist
militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war)
ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against
islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan
(war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist
militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014)
EUROPE:(9 Countries and 71 between  militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist
militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine
(Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and
self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic)
MIDDLE EAST:(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State
islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza
Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist
militants)
AMERICAS:(5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, 
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against 
narcotraffic groups)
GRAND TOTAL: 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.



 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now



 
On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 

---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


there are examples in physics when one particle
instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of 
this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, 
but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.

I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, it is great fun! I simply act as if they are doing parodies of themselves, 
and play along! I can't help it if they take it seriously. :-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before 
that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, 
from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my 
post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the 
blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, 
chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!
 

 sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to 
normal.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 J. Edgar Hoover
 John Philip Sousa
 

 I think after this post that there could not be a soul on this planet (or at 
least on this forum) that could accuse you and all of us apologists of not 
having a great time with all of this. I mean, you are just having so much fun 
posting this but my pleasure in reading it is pretty sweet too. So clever you 
are. And to think the fodder for your creativity is MJ. Love it. (I wonder if 
Share will think I am bullying MJ by liking this post of yours. Hmmm.) But just 
so I make myself clear, I am not laughing at MJ I am thoroughly enjoying your 
playfulness.
 

 


































 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I vote for, The Savior. Its like, hey, is there even anyone else here? A bit 
up in the grill. With a title like that, he would pack supermarket parking lots 
(free hot dogs, too), and The Elks Club, easily, proselytizing fiercely, 
red-faced, arms all over the place - Maybe MJ is a reincarnated itinerant 
preacher, and he senses TM is horning in on HIS lost souls, ripe for 
redemption, in this wicked and evil world. 

 And I say unto thee, oh ye manifest TM sinners!
 

 Hey! Move the fuck outta the way - I'm tryin' ta park!!
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 again, Michael, your recent confession does help in help us, (or at least me) 
understand you. 

 It even allows me to feel compassion for you.
 

 You have this savior mentality, or maybe you envision yourself as a martyr of 
some sort.
 

 I mean, let's admit, it does fit.  
 

 From TM to MJ the Channeler, to VA Veteran Program Booster, and now MJ the 
Savior.
 

 Do you think you should change your online handle.  
 

 MJ, World Savior or maybe just The Savior
 

 Whaddya think?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis.  keep on keeping on. we are 
enjoying your new found savior mentality. 

 I mean, it is a hoot!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World 
War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone 
can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
gift, Michael, a gift, you are. 

 hearing you talk about normal, as being a standard for normal.
 

 carry on.
 

 you are breaking some new ground here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 I would say normal is what you aspire to but your world view is so much a 
Bizarro world view I don't think you can ever get even close to normal.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before 
that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, 
from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my 
post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the 
blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, 
chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!
 

 sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to 
normal.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 J. Edgar Hoover
 John Philip Sousa
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World 
War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone 
can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yes, it is great fun! I simply act as if they are doing parodies of 
themselves, and play along! I can't help it if they take it seriously. :-)
 

 Shhh, let bawee (and whoever else) keep thinking we are going crazy tearing 
our hair out and rending our clothing and positively slathering with 
frustration at him and anyone else who disses the Movement or otherwise 
disagrees with us. We can even pretend we care that we are relegated to the 
dead mail zone.
 
 


































 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yes, it is great fun! I simply act as if they are doing parodies of 
themselves, and play along! I can't help it if they take it seriously. :-)
 

 Shhh, let bawee (and whoever else) keep thinking we are going crazy tearing 
our hair out and rending our clothing and positively slathering with 
frustration at him and anyone else who disses the Movement or otherwise 
disagrees with us. We can even pretend we care that we are relegated to the 
dead mail zone.
 
 


































 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread thatbarnettgu...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :

 I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/17/2014 1:42 PM, thatbarnettgu...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
we BOTH know the real reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy 
is because you got caught downloading under-age porn, and the cops are 
after you.


/So, why were you uploading under-age porn?/


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/17/2014 1:42 PM, thatbarnettgu...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues 
with fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you 
probably won't have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel 
to be so ungodly fat you can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in 
the mirror lately? How many chins you got these days? 


/You forgot to post a picture of your own face, Al. Go figure./


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ok, Fleetwood, that got me laughing out loud, thank you. Whence cometh these 
ranters?!



On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:50 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :


I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit
in better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.

You
obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably
won't have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so
ungodly fat you can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror
lately? How many chins you got these days? 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she
only communicates with you out of pity for you or spite for others.  She
and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't tell you how many times
she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who comes out better? 
Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real reason
you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it,
you're in shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a
good description of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want
to insult cows.  Do yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of 
garbage.Your buddy, Al


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 The originating IP address is a LISCO IP, so Fairfield, presumably.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote :

 Ok, Fleetwood, that got me laughing out loud, thank you. Whence cometh these 
ranters?!

 


 On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:50 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :

 I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al




 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
a few pecks short of a bushel, that one...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ok, Fleetwood, that got me laughing out loud, thank you. Whence cometh these 
ranters?!

 


 On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:50 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :

 I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al



 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ok, Fleetwood, that got me laughing out loud, thank you. Whence cometh these 
ranters?!

 

 I think it might be someone you know. Al? Al? You still there?
 


 On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:50 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :

 I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al



 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

 
 The originating IP address is a LISCO IP, so Fairfield, presumably.
 

 Wow, how fascinating. I'll have to think about that one.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ok, Fleetwood, that got me laughing out loud, thank you. Whence cometh these 
ranters?!

 


 On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:50 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Al, Does your mom know you are using her PC? I wouldn't want you to get 
grounded...;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, thatbarnettguy01@... wrote :

 I know...I am using scotch-tape, to tape my mouth into a frown, so I fit in 
better...drew some wrinkles on my forehead, with a sharpie, too.
 

 You obviously won't have to worry about wrinkles, not with your issues with 
fat, you disgusting, ungainly piece of shit. Then again, you probably won't 
have to worry about old age either!   How does it feel to be so ungodly fat you 
can barely move, blimp-boy?  Taken a look in the mirror lately? How many chins 
you got these days? 

 

 Oh, and BTW, Ann and I are having a grand ol' time talking about you.  I won't 
repeat what she said here, but she only communicates with you out of pity for 
you or spite for others.  She and I both wonder how anyone stands you.  Can't 
tell you how many times she's compared you with her horses!  (And guess who 
comes out better?  Think REAL hard now, shit-head...) And we BOTH know the real 
reason you're moving around like a fuckin' gypsy is because you got caught 
downloading under-age porn, and the cops are after you.  Admit it, you're in 
shit deeper and smellier than a cow's turd.  Which would be a good description 
of you, if you weren't such a creep and I didn't want to insult cows.  Do 
yourself a big favor and get some help, you ugly piece of garbage.Your 
buddy, Al




 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-17 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 a few pecks short of a bushel, that one...
 

 Pretty random. What causes people to use a forum like a toilet? I mean, why 
not just go out and chop a few cords of wood or run from FF to Ottumwa or 
something? 
 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 How can that be? If we had some evidence that it worked all we'd have to do is 
work out how - which would require a complete re-write of everything we think 
we know - but we don't have any decent evidence yet which is why it's goo we'll 
soon have 50,000 to point at and say why isn't it working then? About. Unless 
it does work in which case we'll be too happy to care.
 




 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 


 

 

 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical 
effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population 
meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back 
from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal 
more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would 
demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of 
proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of 
the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe 
that is my problem.
 

 How can that be? If we had some evidence that it worked all we'd have to do is 
work out how - which would require a complete re-write of everything we think 
we know - but we don't have any decent evidence yet which is why it's goo we'll 
soon have 50,000 to point at and say why isn't it working then? About. Unless 
it does work in which case we'll be too happy to care.
 

 




 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 


 

 

 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical 
effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population 
meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back 
from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal 
more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would 
demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of 
proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of 
the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe 
that is my problem.
 

 

 

 I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, 
they don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence 
yet, a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but 
there's no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a 
blank they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. 
That's what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a 
long time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison 
d'etre. 
 

 I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)
 

 




 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another 
at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the 
Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, 
that are roughly analogous to the ME. 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 How can that be? If we had some evidence that it worked all we'd have to do is 
work out how - which would require a complete re-write of everything we think 
we know - but we don't have any decent evidence yet which is why it's goo we'll 
soon have 50,000 to point at and say why isn't it working then? About. Unless 
it does work in which case we'll be too happy to care.
 




 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM. Maharishi wanted 
us to begin to hear, that his ultimate goal was world peace. No, science cannot 
possibly measure anything like that - not that it matters.  

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 


 

 

 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical 
effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population 
meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back 
from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal 
more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would 
demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of 
proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of 
the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe 
that is my problem.
 

 

 

 I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, 
they don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence 
yet, a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but 
there's no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a 
blank they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. 
That's what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a 
long time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison 
d'etre. 
 

 I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)
 

 




 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails; 
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 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM

You have finally gotten it right Mac. The Marshy Effect IS the hallmark of 
Marshy's teaching and is the hallmark of the core of the Movement itself. 


A bogus, made up nonsensical piece of information that Marshy or one of his 
sycophants made up, purely to take attention off the fact that no one was 
getting enlightened doing TMSP, and the Old Goat needed a red herring to turn 
peoples attention away from the truth and give him a reason to ask for many 
more tens of millions of dollars to save the world through creating the Marshy 
Effect. You nailed it!



 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM. Maharishi wanted 
us to begin to hear, that his ultimate goal was world peace. No, science cannot 
possibly measure anything like that - not that it matters. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :












I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think 
that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it 
means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 


No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.

That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical 
effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population 
meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back 
from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal 
more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would 
demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of 
proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of 
the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe 
that is my problem.



I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, they 
don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence yet, 
a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but there's 
no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a blank 
they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. That's 
what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a long 
time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison d'etre. 

I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached 
a new low

Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?

As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.

Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.

Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it
two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!


See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
  When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That 
Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci...  
View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo   . 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.

Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
 
When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That 
Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology 
by Leon F...  
View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo  
  
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached 
a new low

Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?

As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.

Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.

Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it
two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!


See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
  When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That 
Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci...  
View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo   . 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.

Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
 
When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That 
Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology 
by Leon F...  
View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo  
  
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 Like I said, it might be time to take your message elsewhere. That is not me 
saying you should stop posting here, BTW. It is just that there is not a soul 
here who currently does TM or who believes in it whose mind you have changed or 
have a hope in hell of changing. Lurking reporters are too busy using bawee as 
a guinea pig to care one way or the other and all it does is feed into bawee's 
opportunity to get on the negativity wagon (which he never seems to get off of 
anyway). At least Sal is good natured about it all and has a sense of humour, 
as well as I get a good chuckle from him quite often. He also has the ability 
to embrace others subjects and welcomes other things to talk about.
 

 

 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue as to 
your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as three Mother 
Teresas, in drag.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
  
  
  
  
  
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  












 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/16/2014 9:03 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue 
as to your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as 
three Mother Teresas, in drag.




/MJ just admitted he was an informant, so you should not be surprised if 
he sends in reports to John Knapp at the TM-Free blog. Both Barry and MJ 
are consistently posting false flag messages to the discussion. This is 
all a matter of record - the fact is that Barry is writing science 
articles about your TM practice - it's all about YOU./





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or 
down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. 
Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who 
innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with 
a bona fide cult.



*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon 
their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, 
or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, 
and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more 
time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very 
little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they 
ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to 
stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade 
places with any of them, for anything..





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO 
has reached a new low


Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?

As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this 
point.


Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and 
especially you, a world of good.


Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are being too kind -

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's 
good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave 
us in no doubt.  I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't 
have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll 
just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always 
be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out 
they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the 
sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!



See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails




image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails


When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern 
Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of 
soci...


View on en.wikipedia.org 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails


Preview by Yahoo

.

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my 
suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still 
be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough 
their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show 
that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look 
at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan 
for world peace. Whatever...


Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some 
more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work.


Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember 
feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel 
sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even 
notice...




image

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No dude - its all about YOU.
 

  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : 
 On 10/16/2014 9:03 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue as to 
your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as three Mother 
Teresas, in drag.


 
 MJ just admitted he was an informant, so you should not be surprised if he 
sends in reports to John Knapp at the TM-Free blog. Both Barry and MJ are 
consistently posting false flag messages to the discussion. This is all a 
matter of record - the fact is that Barry is writing science articles about 
your TM practice - it's all about YOU. 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 
 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 
 
 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 
 
 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 
 
 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 
 
 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 
 
 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 
 
 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 
 
 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 
 
 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.
 
 
 
 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 
 













 See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... When Prophecy Fails: A 
Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction 
of the World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 . 
 
 While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, this is one of the best explanations of the ME I've heard. Sorry I'm 
just now replying, busy here, not reading all posts. Have fun, everyone...



On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies . 

But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.

Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 

The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 

As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!

Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks - I thought so, too.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Fleetwood, this is one of the best explanations of the ME I've heard. Sorry 
I'm just now replying, busy here, not reading all posts. Have fun, everyone...

 


 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies . 
 

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.














 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 

 Yes, despite so much suffering that still exists in the world from civil 
unrest and general tyranny that dominates in some countries, it perhaps could 
be so much worse. I think for me, it is not so much the actual, provable 
reasons for this that are paramount but more the fact that we are still 
(mostly) all here and breathing.
 
 

 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Like.

On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, 
in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 
'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, 
not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of 
life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be 
accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds 
and bodies .



But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of 
ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating 
experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that 
being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that 
unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing 
world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through 
belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being.


Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - 
peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. 
It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, 
leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous 
communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the 
Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, 
encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation.


The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished 
with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in 
terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to 
effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, 
or hope -


As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are being too kind -

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's 
good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave 
us in no doubt.  I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't 
have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll 
just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always 
be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out 
they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the 
sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!


Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to 
hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts 
of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound 
meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest 
out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my 
eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't 
scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any 
of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? 
If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, 
calmer, more grounded.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/16/2014 9:41 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

No dude - its all about YOU.


/How could it be all about me when Barry is the one claiming to have 
seen the levitation and you're the one claiming the enlightenment? The 
only claim I've made is to be able to think. Go figure./




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 10/16/2014 9:03 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:



100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no
clue as to your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you,
sees you as three Mother Teresas, in drag.



/MJ just admitted he was an informant, so you should not be
surprised if he sends in reports to John Knapp at the TM-Free
blog. Both Barry and MJ are consistently posting false flag
messages to the discussion. This is all a matter of record - the
fact is that Barry is writing science articles about your TM
practice - it's all about YOU./




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :

Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up
or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the
facts. Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing
people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of
getting involved with a bona fide cult.


*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...[FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets,
upon their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the
Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with
their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time
denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the
three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging
all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of
that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs
of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of
them, for anything..




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :

Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the
TMO has reached a new low

Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?

As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to
this point.

Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and
especially you, a world of good.

Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@...
mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@...
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :

You are being too kind -

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think
it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it
will leave us in no doubt.  I can't imagine what the TMO will do
when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi
Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should
take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say
what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in
which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all
too enlightened to care!


See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread nablusoss1008
Agreed it's brilliant, like so much else fleetwood posts here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thanks - I thought so, too.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Fleetwood, this is one of the best explanations of the ME I've heard. Sorry 
I'm just now replying, busy here, not reading all posts. Have fun, everyone...

 


 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies . 
 

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.














 


 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What I want to know, is, who comes up with this stuff?!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Agreed it's brilliant, like so much else fleetwood posts here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thanks - I thought so, too.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Fleetwood, this is one of the best explanations of the ME I've heard. Sorry 
I'm just now replying, busy here, not reading all posts. Have fun, everyone...

 


 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies . 
 

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.














 


 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread nablusoss1008
Good question. I used to improvise on a certain instrument and listening to the 
tapes that turned out to be brilliant'ish I often wondred where it came from. 
Still have no idea :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 What I want to know, is, who comes up with this stuff?!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Agreed it's brilliant, like so much else fleetwood posts here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thanks - I thought so, too.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Fleetwood, this is one of the best explanations of the ME I've heard. Sorry 
I'm just now replying, busy here, not reading all posts. Have fun, everyone...

 


 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:40 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies . 
 

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.














 


 




















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

most of the world is free of war

your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush

Number of current wars:
AFRICA:(26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil 
war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt 
(popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist 
militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria 
(war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist 
militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war)
ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against 
islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan 
(war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist 
militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014)
EUROPE:(9 Countries and 71 between  militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist 
militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine 
(Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and 
self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic)
MIDDLE EAST:(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State 
islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza 
Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist 
militants)
AMERICAS:(5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, 
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against 
narcotraffic groups)
GRAND TOTAL: 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.



 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another 
at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the 
Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, 
that are roughly analogous to the ME.

I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.

I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he 
hears it from some authority.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Post script - there are 196 countries and the 64 that have active wars going on 
of one sort or another comprise right at one third of all the countries in the 
world - and you call that most of the world?




 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  

most of the world is free of war

your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush

Number of current wars:
AFRICA:(26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil 
war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt 
(popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist 
militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria 
(war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist 
militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war)
ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against 
islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan 
(war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist 
militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014)
EUROPE:(9 Countries and 71 between  militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist 
militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine 
(Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and 
self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic)
MIDDLE EAST:(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) 
Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State 
islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza 
Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist 
militants)
AMERICAS:(5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, 
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against 
narcotraffic groups)
GRAND TOTAL: 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.





 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 

---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another 
at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the 
Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, 
that are roughly analogous to the ME.

I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.

I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he 
hears it from some authority.











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Beautiful, beautiful.  

 Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time 
you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it.
 

 Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the 
bash.  
 

 I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part 
towards Barry.  
 

 Hey, I was fond of Barry too.  Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him.
 

 But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in.
 

 Still collecting evidence?
 

 Methinks, something else at work here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
  
  
  
  
  
 When

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ha!! 

 (picture gold star below)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue as to 
your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as three Mother 
Teresas, in drag.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
  
  
  
  
  
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War 
Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can 
see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 








 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't know Ann.  I guess there are different ways to approach it. 

 Maybe one way to look at it, at least for me, is, I've gotten benefits from 
it.  I've enjoyed group meditations.  I've enjoyed the flying in a large 
group.
 

 Maybe there is a bigger payoff.  Maybe not.  If so, that would be a freebie.
 

 By the way, I do happen to believe that a large group meditating does generate 
a wave of positivity.
 

 What kind of effect it might have?  Can't say.
 

 Why there is not a more demonstrable effect, say in FF?
 

 Can't say.
 

 Like I said.  It worked for me.
 

 To answer MIchael's rote, question, If it were so good, why don't you do it 
regularly, I say,the path people are on can change over time.
 

 Do I expect Michael to understand that?
 

 Not a chance.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  
Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War 
Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can 
see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



most of the world is free of war

your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush

Number of current wars:
AFRICA:(26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil
war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt
(popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist
militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria
(war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist
militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war)
ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against
islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan
(war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist
militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014)
EUROPE:(9 Countries and 71 between  militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist
militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine
(Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and
self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic)
MIDDLE EAST:(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State
islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza
Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist
militants)
AMERICAS:(5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, 
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)
Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against 
narcotraffic groups)
GRAND TOTAL: 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.



 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now



 
On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 

---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another 
at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the 
Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, 
that are roughly analogous to the ME.

I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.


Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.

I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he 
hears it from some authority.











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/16/2014 4:09 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Beautiful, beautiful.


Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the 
time you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending 
bashing it.


Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years 
on the bash.


According to what I've read, he  worked for the TMO from 1967-1977 and 
1977-1987 he worked for the Lenz cult. He's been bashing online since 
1994 with it the same redundant messages. That means he has been active 
in either a cult or an anti-cult cult for the major part of his adult 
life - with not much to show for it: Go figure.


/I contend that the effortlessness of TM may be great and all, but does 
not in any way imply most effective.  Let me give you an example. I 
regularly practice a buddhist techique that is definitely NOT 
effortless. It involves focusing with all one's will on one of the 
subtle physical chakras and then using the resulting kundalini to 
slingshot into transcendence.  At no point during the practice of the 
technique is there any effortlessness, yet I regularly spend 1/3 to 
1/2 of my meditation period transcending.  When I practiced TM, I was 
lucky to spend more than 10-20 seconds of the meditation period 
transcending./ - Barry Wright, 1994




I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on 
Michael's part towards Barry.


Hey, I was fond of Barry too.  Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him.

But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year 
spent in.


Still collecting evidence?

Methinks, something else at work here.


/Maybe he is getting paid by a science magazine to plant messages on the 
internet./





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or 
down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. 
Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who 
innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with 
a bona fide cult.



*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon 
their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, 
or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, 
and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more 
time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very 
little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they 
ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to 
stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade 
places with any of them, for anything..





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO 
has reached a new low


Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?

As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this 
point.


Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and 
especially you, a world of good.


Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are being too kind -

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's 
good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave 
us in no doubt.  I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't 
have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll 
just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always 
be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out 
they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the 
sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!



See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails




image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/16/2014 5:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are 
embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your 
pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a 
result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed 
in your perception that give the Movement a bad name.


/The terrorist Osama bin Laden killed 3,000 in the NYC WTC attack; ISIS 
murders thousands of innocent people and causes a million families to be 
displaced in Syria and Iraq; Ebola has killed 4,000 in Africa; but 
Michael's enemy is Marshy and a few hundred Hindu pundit boys up in 
Iowa. Go figure./





*From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to 
World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty 
years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit 
stats you have produced.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


most of the world is free of war

your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush

Number of current wars:


AFRICA:(26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas,
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)


Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati
Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular
uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist
militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants),
Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against
islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South
Sudan (civil war)


ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas,
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)


Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants),
Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war
against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist
militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014)


EUROPE:(9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas,
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)


Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of
self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed
Luhansk People’s Republic)


MIDDLE EAST:(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas,
separatist groups and anarchic groups involved)


Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza
Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between
islamist militants)


AMERICAS:(5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels,
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups
involved)


Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war
against narcotraffic groups)

GRAND TOTAL:

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.

*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear 
war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace 
after all.


Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in 
weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and 
has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind 
of a miracle, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously 
affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this 
effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something 
else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to 
the ME.


I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles 
away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and 
suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know 
very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But 
world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as 
it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before 
that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, 
from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my 
post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the 
blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, 
chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!
 

 sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to 
normal.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 J. Edgar Hoover
 John Philip Sousa
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World 
War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone 
can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And he's off!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 

 Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM
 

 You have finally gotten it right Mac. The Marshy Effect IS the hallmark of 
Marshy's teaching and is the hallmark of the core of the Movement itself. 

 

 A bogus, made up nonsensical piece of information that Marshy or one of his 
sycophants made up, purely to take attention off the fact that no one was 
getting enlightened doing TMSP, and the Old Goat needed a red herring to turn 
peoples attention away from the truth and give him a reason to ask for many 
more tens of millions of dollars to save the world through creating the Marshy 
Effect. You nailed it!

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM. Maharishi 
wanted us to begin to hear, that his ultimate goal was world peace. No, science 
cannot possibly measure anything like that - not that it matters. 
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 


 

 

 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at  a distance is no 
more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about 
breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when 
meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the 
meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that 
is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others.
 

 That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical 
effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population 
meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back 
from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal 
more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would 
demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of 
proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of 
the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe 
that is my problem.
 

 

 

 I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, 
they don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence 
yet, a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but 
there's no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a 
blank they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. 
That's what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a 
long time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison 
d'etre. 
 

 I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)
 

 















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He's hit a bunt, which is the best he's done so far, and running to first just 
as fast as his little legs will carry him!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
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. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
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 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
the dude tries to steal home and flops.  but it's all he knows.  same tired 
routine. 

 but how ironic, that he's the one who's thinks he saving the world.
 

 how absofuckingly ironic!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 








 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
oops, guess I was rushing again.  make that seven years bashing for every year 
in.  35 to 5 ratio.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Beautiful, beautiful.  

 Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time 
you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it.
 

 Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the 
bash.  
 

 I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part 
towards Barry.  
 

 Hey, I was fond of Barry too.  Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him.
 

 But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in.
 

 Still collecting evidence?
 

 Methinks, something else at work here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Head in the sand pie in the sky  - whether you put your heads up or down you 
wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us 
naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are 
curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. 

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their 
thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. 
They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they 
would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see 
of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all 
the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry 
character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and 
I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has 
reached a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis.  keep on keeping on. we are 
enjoying your new found savior mentality. 

 I mean, it is a hoot!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World 
War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone 
can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so 
maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.
 

 Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found.
 

 I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until 
he hears it from some authority.
 

 

 

 

 

 








 


 












 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
again, Michael, your recent confession does help in help us, (or at least me) 
understand you. 

 It even allows me to feel compassion for you.
 

 You have this savior mentality, or maybe you envision yourself as a martyr of 
some sort.
 

 I mean, let's admit, it does fit.  
 

 From TM to MJ the Channeler, to VA Veteran Program Booster, and now MJ the 
Savior.
 

 Do you think you should change your online handle.  
 

 MJ, World Savior or maybe just The Savior
 

 Whaddya think?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis.  keep on keeping on. we are 
enjoying your new found savior mentality. 

 I mean, it is a hoot!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in 
these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy 
was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like 
you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the 
Movement a bad name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World 
War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone 
can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
most of the world is free of war
 

 your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush
 

 Number of current wars:
 AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups 
and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), 
Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising 
against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against 
tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), 
Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), 
South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between 
militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: 
Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel 
groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against 
islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 
Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic 
groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan 
(war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk 
People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: 
(8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist 
militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil 
war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries 
and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and 
anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), 
Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: 

 

Number of countries - 64
Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584

So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect.
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war 
hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all.

 

 Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, 
since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. 
Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects 
another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it 
is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in 
physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME.
 

 I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away 
from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the 
other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly 
unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not 
have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, 
we're all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before 
that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, 
from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my 
post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the 
blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, 
chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!
 

 sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to 
normal.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 J. Edgar Hoover
 John Philip Sousa
 

 I think after this post that there could not be a soul on this planet (or at 
least on this forum) that could accuse you and all of us apologists of not 
having a great time with all of this. I mean, you are just having so much fun 
posting this but my pleasure in reading it is pretty sweet too. So clever you 
are. And to think the fodder for your creativity is MJ. Love it. (I wonder if 
Share will think I am bullying MJ by liking this post of yours. Hmmm.) But just 
so I make myself clear, I am not laughing at MJ I am thoroughly enjoying your 
playfulness.
 

 




































Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are being too kind - they have already proven the Marshy Effect is 
bullshit, but in typical Movement fashion, they take what is proof of it not 
working and claim it is in fact working. The infamous Washington DC project 
where the crime rate actually increased is oneof those proofs, yet Hagelin who 
won the IgNoble prize for physics for saying so claimed that the crime rate 
actually DECREASED 18% from what it would have been had they not been doing 
TMSP there. 


I'm not sure if he ever revealed what crystal ball he used to be able to know 
what things would have been like if they hadn't been there. Its the very same 
bullshit Marshy always used - someone is about to jump off a building thinking 
they can fly after rounding for months on end and that ass would claim 
something good is happening cuz it was stress leaving the body.

anything to claim effects for TM that aren't there so they can make more money 
selling it.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  


Permanent peace? We could sure use that right now.

I for one, hope that this project works. and as usual, I commend the optimists 
for trying things that seem bizarre to the rest of us. This is what science is 
all about, daring to think outside the box and test the boundaries, we'd never 
have learnt anything if we'd didn't ask questions and been content thinking 
that the Earth was flat.

Another principle of science is that, if a theory is found to be null during 
the testing stage and no supporting evidence is found, the idea is abandoned in 
favour of a more likely explanation. Can I request that the TMO does this in 
the event of world peace not manifesting and publicly declare that TM doesn't 
appear to have any effect on world events. And I humbly request that they 
definitely don't don't start coming up with thin excuses like there is too 
much stress in collective consciousness and then having another big 
fundraising round for the next coherence project. Ta.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers within 
3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of thousands of 
blissful yogis flying high!
can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on

Maharishi Channel 3
 
  Maharishi Channel 3 
New Time Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time 
line to choose earlier broadcast. MORE...  
View on maharishichannel.inPreview by Yahoo   
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 What I want is an agreement that the TB's will shut up about it once world 
peace doesn't arrive. It's only fair, you prove the theory or you abandon it. 
We should applaud their willingness to try though. One last time. 50,000 is way 
more than the claimed requirement for world peace so the effects should be 
immediate or the excuses pathetic. We shall see.
 

 they have already proven the Marshy Effect is bullshit, but in typical 
Movement fashion, they take what is proof of it not working and claim it is in 
fact working. The infamous Washington DC project where the crime rate actually 
increased is oneof those proofs, yet Hagelin who won the IgNoble prize for 
physics for saying so claimed that the crime rate actually DECREASED 18% from 
what it would have been had they not been doing TMSP there. 

 

 I'm not sure if he ever revealed what crystal ball he used to be able to know 
what things would have been like if they hadn't been there. Its the very same 
bullshit Marshy always used - someone is about to jump off a building thinking 
they can fly after rounding for months on end and that ass would claim 
something good is happening cuz it was stress leaving the body.
 

 anything to claim effects for TM that aren't there so they can make more money 
selling it.

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:07 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   

 

Permanent peace? We could sure use that right now. 

 I for one, hope that this project works. and as usual, I commend the optimists 
for trying things that seem bizarre to the rest of us. This is what science is 
all about, daring to think outside the box and test the boundaries, we'd never 
have learnt anything if we'd didn't ask questions and been content thinking 
that the Earth was flat.
 

 Another principle of science is that, if a theory is found to be null during 
the testing stage and no supporting evidence is found, the idea is abandoned in 
favour of a more likely explanation. Can I request that the TMO does this in 
the event of world peace not manifesting and publicly declare that TM doesn't 
appear to have any effect on world events. And I humbly request that they 
definitely don't don't start coming up with thin excuses like there is too 
much stress in collective consciousness and then having another big 
fundraising round for the next coherence project. Ta.
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers 
within 3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of 
thousands of blissful yogis flying high!
can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on

Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html 
 
 
 
 Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html New Time 
Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time line to 
choose earlier broadcast. MORE...


 
 View on maharishichannel.in http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 






 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 What I want is an agreement that the TB's will shut up about it once world 
peace doesn't arrive. It's only fair, you prove the theory or you abandon it. 
We should applaud their willingness to try though. One last time. 50,000 is way 
more than the claimed requirement for world peace so the effects should be 
immediate or the excuses pathetic. We shall see.
 

 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!





 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!


See When Prophecy Fails. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...




  
 
When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That 
Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology 
by Leon F...  
View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think Turq nailed it some time ago when he said the TMO has never wanted to 
have a group big enough to do what they claim it will because then the proof 
will be there - giant group of yogic flyers - no world peace - no more 
donations. 


I think they are making the same exhortation Marshy used to use to get people 
to donate for a 10,000 group. Since they have asked repeatedly for that 
number and nothing has ever come of it, they have to make it bigger, make the 
stakes and the promises bigger to get more donations. 


And if they aren't hitting people up for money for the big groups now they 
will. Then they will continue to ask for money even tho the groups never 
materialize or come up with some other big project to replace this one without 
ever explaining what happened to the 50,000 for instant peace. Another 
misdirection technique they learned from the Fraud Master Marshy.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...
 
 
 
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. 

While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
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and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.





 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.
 

 I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. 
 

 The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary 
ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the 
constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one 
that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is 
the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way 
things are.
 

 I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's 
about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, 
and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the 
belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just 
meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of 
non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like 
yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world.
 

 When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place 
and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All 
controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it, 
brings you great advantage in life. Nature support is what they call it, people 
who meditate get better luck. At least according to the theory. I never noticed 
it and never saw it in anyone else, just like I didn't with any other of the 
products they sell.
 

 As a body of work vedic science is highly impressive, consistent and has an 
internal logic that - if it was true - would be the greatest discovery ever. 
Which is exactly how it's promoted, you get into it bit-by-bit until you've 
been on enough courses for it to sink in and it takes over how you interpret 
everything. I was lucky in that I'd read a bit of physics and knew that the 
unified field hadn't been discovered and that, even if it had, it wasn't likely 
to be consciousness for a great many reasons. That helped me stay at a distance 
from it but I did inevitably get sucked further in when I went to work for them.
 

 As religious belief systems go it's harmless enough, probably no worse than 
the Jehova's Witnesses or ISKCON, you can at least function in the real world 
as long as you don't try and tell your work mates about the Constitution of the 
Universe!
 

 Would they have been better off just teaching TM? Maybe not, with a hardcore 
of devotees that think they are creating world peace by bringing back the 
greatest wisdom the world has ever seen, you can maybe get more teaching done 
than if it was taught casually by part-timers. It's also self-perpetuating now 
that anyone they approve of can become a teacher and the knowledge is highly 
protected, more so than if it was something you could get out of a book that 
just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work.
 

 The belief system was also fantastic at making money, at least for a while. 
Not really sure how well they do in the internet age, especially as there are 
independents taking 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work.

This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann 
and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets 
ignore all the other crap that comes with it. 


As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is 
these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more 
credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch 
and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby 
and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no 
affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to 
know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with 
the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


You are being too kind - 

Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!

I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.

Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.

Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.


I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!

Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.

I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. 

The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary 
ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the 
constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one 
that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is 
the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way 
things are.

I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's 
about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, 
and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the 
belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just 
meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of 
non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like 
yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world.

When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place 
and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All 
controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it, 
brings you great advantage in life. Nature support is what they call it, people 
who meditate get better luck. At least according to the theory. I never noticed 
it and never saw it in anyone else, just like I didn't with any other of the 
products they sell.

As a body of work vedic science is highly impressive, consistent and has an 
internal logic that - if it was true - would be the greatest discovery ever. 
Which is exactly how it's promoted, you get into it bit-by-bit until you've 
been on enough courses for it to sink in and it takes over how you interpret 
everything. I was lucky in that I'd read a bit of physics and knew that the 
unified field hadn't been discovered and that, even if it had, it wasn't likely 
to be consciousness for a great many

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.





 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You may be correct, but Raja Luis seems to be sincere and what little 
fact-checking I can do seems to corroborate other claims he has made. 

 For example, he says that the Peruvian government wants to extend the pilot 
project, where 30,000 students practice TM, to 250,000 and have existing school 
teachers trained as TM teacher so that they will teach TM instead of outsiders.
 

 I can't verify the second half, but the first half seems true:
 

 Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares 
http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk
 
 
 
http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk
 
 
 Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares 
http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk
 Son las tres de la tarde, suena el timbre y los alumnos de cuarto, quinto y 
sexto de primaria del colegio César Vallejo, en La Victoria, saben que es el 
momento de ...
 
 
 
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 El Peruano is the official daily newspaper of the Peruvian government, so the 
first half checks out, at least.
 

 L
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 I think Turq nailed it some time ago when he said the TMO has never wanted to 
have a group big enough to do what they claim it will because then the proof 
will be there - giant group of yogic flyers - no world peace - no more 
donations. 

 

 I think they are making the same exhortation Marshy used to use to get people 
to donate for a 10,000 group. Since they have asked repeatedly for that 
number and nothing has ever come of it, they have to make it bigger, make the 
stakes and the promises bigger to get more donations. 

 

 And if they aren't hitting people up for money for the big groups now they 
will. Then they will continue to ask for money even tho the groups never 
materialize or come up with some other big project to replace this one without 
ever explaining what happened to the 50,000 for instant peace. Another 
misdirection technique they learned from the Fraud Master Marshy.

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!








 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/15/2014 12:30 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile 
co-directors they have on staff.


/You were the on staff MUI co-director of cookie baking, right?/


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 

 I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also 
think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them 
then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within 
themselves -  the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro 
effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has 
accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a 
grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of 
this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. 
 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work.
 

 This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like 
Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, 
lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. 

 

 That is a silly paragraph, MJ. I am no apologist for TM - I don't care enough 
about it all to bother to be one. However, I believe in hearing both sides of a 
story and to carefully consider other facts and not just the opinions of a few 
people here. I am sorry to have to tell you that I ultimately don't care if TM 
is a sham or not. You can try and convince the world that it is and others are 
welcome to believe it is a truly great technique and MMY was a saint. He is now 
dead so he can not continue to do things to drive you crazy - that is a 
blessing. You are no longer involved with the Movement so for that you can be 
thankful that, unless you piss them off enough, they have no power over you 
that you don't already give them. I ignore all the other crap that 
purportedly goes on the in Movement because, frankly, I don't give a crap. As I 
have said before, the worst case scenario for TM in my books is that it does 
nothing and the best case is that it is bringing people to deeper realization 
and even enlightenment (if there is such a thing). But apologist, is not what 
I am. Be careful that you don't define an apologist as one who isn't anti 
something.
 

 As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is 
these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more 
credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch 
and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby 
and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no 
affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to 
know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with 
the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff.

 

 
 

 













 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached 
a new low 

 Oh, how many times do we have to hear that?
 

 As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point.
 

 Please have a bit of self reflection.  It will do all of us, and especially 
you, a world of good.
 

 Pretty please.  With sugar on top, maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!















See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
 
 When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social 
and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the 
World is a classic work of soci...


 
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While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion 
is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this 
point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, 
finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world 
peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was 
delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever...

Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to 
add to the list of reasons why things don't work.
 

 Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling 
sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby 
when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice...



  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
the gift that keeps on giving. this from the guy who bragged in detail about 
all the celestial and refined experiences he had with his practice of TM 

 Yoohoo, Oh, Lurking Reporters. Get ello of of this.
 

 A couple months ago, this Mr. Michael Jackson felt the need to trump everyone 
here with all the great experiences he had as a result of his practice.
 

 When it was politely pointed out to him, that he was talking out of both sides 
of his mouth, he said, hold on, give me time to come up with a reply, and a 
couple days later, we were treated to the most idiotic retraction you could 
possibly imagine.
 

 This guy is a piece of work. Cult mentality at work?
 

 Study this one!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work.
 

 This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like 
Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, 
lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. 

 

 As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is 
these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more 
credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch 
and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby 
and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no 
affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to 
know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with 
the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff.

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.
 

 I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. 
 

 The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary 
ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the 
constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one 
that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is 
the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way 
things are.
 

 I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's 
about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, 
and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the 
belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just 
meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of 
non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like 
yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world.
 

 When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place 
and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All 
controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, 
and then practicing yogic flying. 

 Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared 
a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-:
 

 I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent 
that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window.
 

 I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to 
share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching 
that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant 
environment.
 

 And count me also, as one  who believes in the state of enlightenment, and 
that those who have achieved it,  produce a positive influence of that same 
immediate and distant environment.
 

 If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.





 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
nice solid research meant to say
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the 
dome, and then practicing yogic flying. 

 Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared 
a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-:
 

 I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent 
that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window.
 

 I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to 
share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching 
that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant 
environment.
 

 And count me also, as one  who believes in the state of enlightenment, and 
that those who have achieved it,  produce a positive influence of that same 
immediate and distant environment.
 

 If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in 
identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in 
empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest 
feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, 
but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting 
energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, 
of our individual minds and bodies .  

 But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, 
again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, 
this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest 
integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and 
begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a 
better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, 
Being.
 

 Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins 
at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting 
time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the 
microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and 
everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right 
time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and 
exploitation. 
 

 The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM 
technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program 
for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a 
mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - 
 

 As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are being too kind - 
 

 Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic!
 

 I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars.
 

 Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold.
 

 Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic.

 

 I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that 
it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt.  I 
can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on 
regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but 
they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what 
about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be 
humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
 

 Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your 
hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi 
Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't 
know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting 
during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and 
see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I 
don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put 
out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the 
whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, 
more grounded.