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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak
@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam
] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat
speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam |
don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam
bruyat
don't
On 10/24/2014 1:37 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Life long atheists cannot commit apostasy for there never is, nor was,
anything for them to abandon.
/When a person professes a belief in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation,
and at the same time,
Xeno, I think FFL is a microcosm of L. Do you think L is a level playing field?
I do.
On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 2:26 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM
is quite topical to quite a lot
it that way before, but I guess back in
the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife
Xeno, you are probably correct that it is difficult after all this time to know
what Jesus actually taught. For me he embodies agape. So any teaching that
deviates much from that principle, I don't trust it as coming from him. I think
early on his actual teachings got hijacked for other than
you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in the
70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard
Judy, first of all, I very much enjoy this kind of discussion so thank you.
Secondly, I think I still have some issues with my Catholic upbringing and that
those are coming into play here.
Yes, I realize the two languages are expressing the same principle. But as you
must well know, language
I would agree with this. In my own life, from childhood on, the tendency to
invoke metaphysical explanations steadily declined, until now everything is
immediate, direct, no need for an explanation of something out-of-sight. That
is for experience. As far as the rational mind is concerned,
/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 1:35 AM
I was talking
emptybill:
Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment
of his so-called “enlightenment”.
That's because MMY didn't present TM in a classical assessment of
enlightenment. MMY's sadhana is based on yoga practice. If it was Vedantic
MMY would have emphasized the Vedantic notion
it.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:05 PM
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote
Ann:
I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain
individuals
to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal
it can really screw them up, whether they are holy men or holy women
or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of the world. Feed the ego like
/14, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:18 PM
Really fine
post, Michael, very thoughtful.
Based on what I've read,
I'm not sure enlightenment experiences
* Did Rama leave a suicide note?*
**
What you need to understand about Rama is that he believed in reincarnation
and karma. Rama's suicide note is contained in his own writings. According
to Rama, the spirit doesn't die when the body dies - your spirit goes into
the Tibetan Bardo state for a few
Richard, many times turq has expressed, maybe in different words, this idea
that followers actually enable leaders. At least once he has said that
followers are even more responsible.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:45 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ann:
I guess my
emptybill, following up on your last sentence below, how is it possible for a
teacher to cheat a disciple out of the self-evaluations necessary for real
sadhana. Surely the disciple has some say in the matter. Do you think this is
what happened to Robin?
On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:58
According to Mr. Benjamin Crème the state of evolution of Lenz at the time of
death was 1,3. In other words far from enlightened.
He was at a lower level than John Lennon (1,6) and Frank Zappa (1,4) but
higher than Marilyn Monroe (0,9) and Elvis Presley (0,8)
If you mean the kind of scientific objectivity that the TMO uses, anything goes.
On Sat, 1/18/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd had this profoundly transformative experience on the mountain.
Judy, I don't think self evaluation is something that a disciple needs to
demand. In my experience, life makes it obvious when self evaluation is needed!
On second thought, I think empty meant that if the guru emphasizes experience,
meaning spiritual experience, then the disciple will go with
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd
Maybe your experience isn't the be-all and end-all for everybody, Share, not to
mention that you haven't had the sort of sudden profoundly transformative
experience Robin had. In any case, Robin got all kinds of positive feedback;
nobody questioned his enlightenment. Life didn't make it
emptybill, I think it's appropriate to feel guilt about wrong doing and to make
amends. But imo shame is toxic. It says that there's something fundamentally
wrong with the person rather than that they did something wrong.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:42 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com
That's your personal definition of shame, Share. You're making an arbitrary
distinction between feeling guilt and feeling shame. My dictionary says shame
is:
a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt, shortcoming, or
impropriety
I'd say if you are unable or refuse to feel pain
Judy, my distinction between shame and guilt comes from contemporary psychology
and I agree with your last sentence.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
That's your personal definition of shame, Share. You're making an arbitrary
It's still an arbitrary distinction, Share. Shame need not involve the sense
that there's something wrong with you rather than that there was something
wrong with what you did.
And anyway, the sense that there's nothing wrong with you is delusionary. If
there were nothing wrong with you,
Judy, contemporary psychologists find it useful to distinguish between guilt
which is healthy and shame which is toxic, where shame indicates feeling that
one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:31 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Did you not read what I wrote, Share? The distinction in terms of words is
arbitrary. Shame isn't inherently toxic, and guilt isn't inherently healthy.
You can redefine the words all you want, but all you're saying is that one
shouldn't feel that one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective (or
Judy, this is where I part company with Catholicism, the belief that people are
defective at their core. I don't think this is a healthy belief and I doubt
that Jesus taught it.
I left the Church when they said it was no longer a mortal sin to eat meat on
Friday. I realized how arbitrary
I do believe I said Christianity, not Catholicism, Share. I'm astonished
you weren't aware that it's Christian doctrine across the board. As I said, if
we weren't defective, there'd have been no need for God to send Jesus to redeem
us and make us acceptable in God's sight.
I'm not saying
Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defective by
nature and I don't believe that Jesus taught that.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:50 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
There are a few splinter Christian churches that do not follow the idea that we
are inherently sinful, but are instead, inherently good. One such church is the
Unity Church of Practical Christianity. On the other hand the majority of
Christian flavours do indeed seem to regard our species as
And I never said you should believe it. Why are you repeating yourself?
If you don't think you stand in need of redemption, that's fine with me.
Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defective
Judy, once again I think it is a matter of language choice. I would say that I
need to fully realize my fundamental unity with the divine, with all of
creation. Rather than that I stand in need of redemption. For me, each of these
wordings has its own flavor or tone. I prefer the former wording
But you don't seem able to see that while the language is different, it's the
same fundamental idea. Redemption for Christians is the Beatific Vision, being
at one with God forever. We are not born in that state; we are defective in
that respect. You weren't born in the state of full
Share:
What I reject is the idea that we are defective in our core, by
our very nature. I guess that makes me apostate!
Well, it looks like it's settled then: MJ and the TurqoiseB were the real
True Believers, whose religion was TM - - the only apostates left on the
forum. It looks like nobody
Re People take words much too literally:
That's my view. I think the original founders of the world religions were
talking about a change in consciousness. They had an insight (ie in - sight).
The unwashed masses take the words as a description of the objective world out
there. As the
.
If my experience is any indication, you have achieved that third level for sure.
On Fri, 1/17/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday
for talking and thanks for
writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about.
On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
Turq,
How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing himself
in? Proly lots of immediate shock and trauma but there was existent a form of
organization before he died and is there any vestige of a group afterward?
Before he died there were some who spoke for the
to Disney.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014,
From what I've
was
really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 1:55 PM
Well, I thought fer sure
you'd say that Rama was a con man and a fake
Michael wrote:
I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all
have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception,
including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a
plethora of experiences.
I agree. I
such an experience was what
FFL was really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
It looks like you've changed your mind about the
bun-hopping-levitation too.
I have no idea why you would say that.
Well, it's settled then - humans can fly and levitate; we have several
eye-witnesses on the forum who can testify to this. So, I
On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and
powerful experiences with her.
I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had
what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of
I must say I agree with everything you said.
On Fri, 1/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4
Rama may have done, as
the Brits say. M never demonstrated cause he couldn't do it.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
yep, it can happen. Same with Chuck Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:13 PM
with Chuck Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday
Michael sez:
Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic
forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience
was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was
some aspect of himself that didn't want
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More of the old - 'I didn’t fail … I was fooled' as you also pointed
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More
Ann wrote:
Here is how I see it, in a nutshell. Empty can only interpret what Robin's
experience was or wasn't based on his book learning or his own interpretation
of book learning and teachers who 'told him so'. Robin had an experience and he
has analyzed what that actually was, based
On 1/16/2014 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
it'll push my hot buttons the same way me saying things about MMY pushes
theirs,
So, you got your buttons pushed. Now you're throwing Rama under the bus
just like you threw MMY under the bus. You spent almost half of your adult
life studying with these
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 8:21 AM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
wrote:
I would like to have
.
On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
'Apostasy is the
formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation
things you wrote about.
On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:02 PM
I am still feeling tons of palpable energy even as I go about my day. Will get
back to you on that in a while.
On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife
] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 7:47 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
wrote:
I am still feeling tons of palpable
of course they are lying about it - that's their stock in trade
On Wed, 1/15/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January
Let's make fun of the Semite ethnic group today.
On 1/15/2014 8:24 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Practicing Meditators in general take pride in being meditators who
have made great sacrifices for their practice.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
Let's make fun of the Semite ethnic group today.
OK, you go first.
On 1/15/2014 8:24 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
. /*
On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
'Apostasy is the
formal disaffiliation
On 1/15/2014 9:08 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could
be made to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum
would improve significantly.
The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get
I'm going to take this quite seriously: I never tried to get rid of anybody on
this forum. You've said this before, and Barry's hinted at it as well, but it's
a blatant lie. Nor, obviously, am I trying to get rid of Barry (read what I
wrote, you dumbass lying troll).
Some people leave
yep, I have to agree with you
On Wed, 1/15/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 1:16 PM
enabled me to see its a
crock!
On Wed, 1/15/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:30 PM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
On 1/15/2014 9:08 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Barry does far worse than mere ankle-biting all the time. If he could be made
to behave like a decent human being, the tenor of this forum would improve
@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
'Apostasy is the
formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
I'm going to take this quite seriously: I never tried to get rid of anybody on
this forum. You've said this before, and Barry's hinted at it as well, but it's
a blatant lie. Nor, obviously, am I trying to get rid of Barry (read
.
On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
'Apostasy is the
formal disaffiliation from or abandonment
On 1/15/2014 10:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*I'm going to take this quite seriously:*
I wasn't really serious when I posted that. But, one way to get rid of
another informant is to call them a liar.
On 1/15/2014 10:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
It must be a very traumatic experience to make a 360 like that - from
cultist to anti-cultist! Go figure.
In all seriousness, I actually agree with you.
In Barry's case, he was a cultist twice over before he became an
anti-cultist. But,
On 1/15/2014 10:51 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried
to get rid of Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to
get rid of the only serious writer left on the entire forum? Go
figure.
You're right,
On 1/15/2014 10:58 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Become repetitive and obnoxious enough like Ricky was/is, in spades,
is enough to drive anyone away.
More boring than a couple of informants posting macros? Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
On 1/15/2014 10:51 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
The tenor of this forum could have improved if you had not tried to get rid of
Ruth, Sal, Robin, Curtis, and Vaj. Now you want to get rid of the only
, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:02 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:10 PM
How could TM possibly be a
religion?? It is, after all, a technique which leads
@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 5:10 PM
which shrine?
On Thu, 1/16/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 12:02 AM
St. Annes Shrine, on Isle Le Motte, in Lake Champlain, near Burlington, VT.
Amazing island - All small farms, surrounded by water, very peaceful. There is
a causeway over, from another island, so driving is possible.
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