Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
And people wonder why I publish using pseudonyms. It's because of the stalkers, dummy. :-) From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist Now he is a science writer. Do you have a list of the books that Barry has had published? Are they available on Amazon? Perhaps all his literary endeavors are works in progress . . .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor guy. /It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us moderate these guys. Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing himself up. Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers. The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the /memory/ of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states. So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz? Maybe someone has another explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/21/2014 2:37 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */And people wonder why I publish using pseudonyms./* /That would explain why you signed some of your writings with //Barry Wright. / */It's because of the stalkers, dummy. :-)/* /Cognitive dissonance. You invited us to read your web site, Barry. http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm03.html / *From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist /Now he is a science writer./ / / Do you have a list of the books that Barry has had published? Are they available on Amazon? Perhaps all his literary endeavors are works in progress . . .// / / / /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Richard, I genuinely think that if everybody ignored negative posts, eventually
they would stop. And it's possible to be supportive to someone being attacked
without attacking the attacker.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally
unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect
candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense
he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor
guy.
It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are
the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise
it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us
moderate these guys.
Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the
arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing
himself up.
Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded
that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers.
The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers.
Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the
ground?
Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.
Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an
institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable
subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences.
Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)
It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating -
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was
floating mid-air.
That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
Maybe someone has another explanation?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Pardon my French, Share, but are you fucking kidding me? What did jr or s3, do, or not do, that caused Barry to go off on both of them?? What has Richard done, that calls for the filthy language that Barry uses against him? You are going to have to do a whole lot better than blame the victim. I don't understand why it is inappropriate to react to Barry as any normal, socially well adjusted person would? Why you want to protect him, from the natural results of his actions, seems a bit twisted, and no help to anyone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I genuinely think that if everybody ignored negative posts, eventually they would stop. And it's possible to be supportive to someone being attacked without attacking the attacker. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor guy. It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us moderate these guys. Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing himself up. Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers. The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states. So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz? Maybe someone has another explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Fleetwood, simply support the people being attacked and ignore the attacker. I
don't know why he goes off on Richard or John who I think are both bright
lights here. I did think he was pretty civil towards Seraph. And I still see
him as the bear with the thorn in his paw and you guys are poking at him with
sticks. Doesn't help imo.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Pardon my French, Share, but are you fucking kidding me? What did jr or s3,
do, or not do, that caused Barry to go off on both of them?? What has Richard
done, that calls for the filthy language that Barry uses against him? You are
going to have to do a whole lot better than blame the victim.
I don't understand why it is inappropriate to react to Barry as any normal,
socially well adjusted person would? Why you want to protect him, from the
natural results of his actions, seems a bit twisted, and no help to anyone.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I genuinely think that if everybody ignored negative posts, eventually
they would stop. And it's possible to be supportive to someone being attacked
without attacking the attacker.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally
unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect
candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense
he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor
guy.
It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are
the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise
it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us
moderate these guys.
Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the
arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing
himself up.
Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded
that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers.
The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers.
Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the
ground?
Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.
Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an
institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable
subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences.
Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)
It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating -
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was
floating mid-air.
That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
Maybe someone has another explanation?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
He intrudes unpleasantly, and sometimes a stick is all the bear understands. He referred to Seraphita as an idiot, as I recall. Out of the blue. Your standards for social interaction, seem a lot lower than mine, and 99% of the active participants here. The other point is that wounded bear, or not, Barry is an adult in his 70's, and not the injured manchild you make him out to be. The rest of us must live in the world, too, and if someone that age, who should damned well know better, is behaving in a mean and childish way, I will let them know. No problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, simply support the people being attacked and ignore the attacker. I don't know why he goes off on Richard or John who I think are both bright lights here. I did think he was pretty civil towards Seraph. And I still see him as the bear with the thorn in his paw and you guys are poking at him with sticks. Doesn't help imo. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist Pardon my French, Share, but are you fucking kidding me? What did jr or s3, do, or not do, that caused Barry to go off on both of them?? What has Richard done, that calls for the filthy language that Barry uses against him? You are going to have to do a whole lot better than blame the victim. I don't understand why it is inappropriate to react to Barry as any normal, socially well adjusted person would? Why you want to protect him, from the natural results of his actions, seems a bit twisted, and no help to anyone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I genuinely think that if everybody ignored negative posts, eventually they would stop. And it's possible to be supportive to someone being attacked without attacking the attacker. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor guy. It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us moderate these guys. Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing himself up. Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers. The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq wrote: I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time. That's why he's quoting some words which he thinks came from me. /Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make up stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else. / To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. /Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he thought he would embellish his spiritual status. / Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz. /He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors. / IOW he saw things that never occurred. /The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once believed in Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz around and paying his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly paycheck to the group. /// There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much. ///Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a whole web site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to view it - now he doesn't want to talk about it. ///Go figure./// // //The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers under the bus, just to get back at Judy. //Now he is a science writer who doesn't even believe in the Big Bang./ /Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even makes it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Now he is a science writer. Do you have a list of the books that Barry has had published? Are they available on Amazon? Perhaps all his literary endeavors are works in progress . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq wrote: I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time. That's why he's quoting some words which he thinks came from me. Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make up stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else. To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he thought he would embellish his spiritual status. Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz. He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors. IOW he saw things that never occurred. The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once believed in Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz around and paying his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly paycheck to the group. There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much. Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a whole web site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to view it - now he doesn't want to talk about it. Go figure. The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers under the bus, just to get back at Judy. Now he is a science writer who doesn't even believe in the Big Bang. Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even makes it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
Richard, Yes, he is desperate for attention to point of lying about what others say or didn't say. He's been doing this for years so that he can push other people's buttons. It's his way of convincing himself that he owns this forum. It's also his idea of entertainment. Before, Judy was the butt of his manipulations. Now, he's testing out who can be his next victim. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq wrote: I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time. That's why he's quoting some words which he thinks came from me. Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make up stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else. To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he thought he would embellish his spiritual status. Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz. He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors. IOW he saw things that never occurred. The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once believed in Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz around and paying his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly paycheck to the group. There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much. Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a whole web site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to view it - now he doesn't want to talk about it. Go figure. The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers under the bus, just to get back at Judy. Now he is a science writer who doesn't even believe in the Big Bang. Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even makes it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi.
