Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:34 PM, yifuxero wrote: --Thx. How about TM plus the advanced techniques. Isn't there supposedly a 3-rd eye advanced technique (I haven't learned that one). Possibly TM plus the advanced techniques would be closer to your approval for completeness. In any event, I see no evidence of completeness in what Buddhists are offering to the public. Anyone: what's the 3-rd eye advanced technique? Thx again!. As far as I know, the techniques involving the third eye were either variations on the night technique--of which there are quite few discarded versions--or there were pranayamas which worked with activating the ajna. In the night technique I'm thinking of, the person meditated briefly before bed--a couple of minutes--and then had the intention that awareness moved out into the (dark) room. This is supposed to help maintain awareness during sleeping and dreaming. As far as Buddhists offering techniques which work towards samadhi, the primary and most widespread one might be the Shamabhala tradition, as they teach the unification of shamatha and vipassana along with nondual compassion meditation (for free or donation). Recent scientific evidence of samadhi in humans shows that compassion meditation, for some reason, can get people into samadhi quite quickly. Apparently love is all you need. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:57 PM, authfriend wrote: 2) they are sold out to *methods*, as if there really IS a method out there somewhere that is going to liberate them, maybe, someday, if they just wait long enough; TM doesn't liberate you. TM just gets rid of what is in the way of liberation. Actually that's not a rote answer (like the one you gave). You can't predict, for example assuming that sentient beings reincarnate--what level of person you're initiating. So, for example, you could initiate an advanced yogi who was just a couple of transcendings away from pure siddhi of the Saraswati mantra--and you just happened to be the teacher who gave the person that mantra. In such a case, the person, with little or no effort; realizes very quickly. In such a case TM does liberate that person. Of course there are a gazillion variations on that theme, because people are very different. But, in general, for most mantrins, the purpose of the mantra is to introduce the thought- free state, so that a witness can hopefully arise, but mostly that it places positive seeds into the subconscious, with the hope that it will overshadow the collective chaos of the student and work towards that witness. If the person needs some type of deep samadhi to eradicate their samskaras, they won't get it with this technique, as it produces a light, fragile, trance state in most people (alpha- coherence). Since there a lot of hopeful things that are assumed of a good or perfect student (i.e. a successful recipient of a mantra for use in mental japa), there a lot of things that can potentially go wrong. Therefore there are always other techniques that the student can most appropriately apply. Without them, they can languish indefinitely. __ On a separate note, does it disturb anyone else that your foaming at the mouth and just waiting to leap at some Barry email is now done on UTC rather than Central time? WTF Judy? Get some help on this issue. Maybe that's the real reason your are so deeply hostile to John Knapp? Have you ever looked at this? I'm sure many here hope you well. In any event, it would be nice if you could work thru some of that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
On Jun 25, 2008, at 11:11 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to consider the fact that only 1 person here even bothered to GREET me when I arrived. Is it apathy, laziness, or have you all become this jaded? I understand that it may be awkward, even difficult to enter a new group. Particularly with people who have 4-5+ years of internet interactions with each other -- and sometimes 30 years of personal friendships, plus a sustained common experience some decades back. And the rudeness of some is not shared by all. But why the need to be greeted? When you visit a new city, do you expect everyone to drop what they are doing, and show you around town? Its nice if they do. But thats not an expectation I have,or observe in most when traveling. Advaita Barbie always gets greeted (although it's been difficult at times since Ken 'came out').
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
Turq, nice post summarizing some problems with neo-advaita. My two cents below: But for Door Number 1, my experience is that the NeoAdvaita satsang experience -- while VERY DEFINITELY being a technique -- *can* work for some, but doesn't work for most. The reason is that in most cases the *catalyst* that could make the technique or method work is missing. Ramana Maharishi (big daddy of advaita) makes it very clear that Atma-vichara or Self-inquiry is for the very few who have done, as he calls it, preliminary work. He never saw it as a technique. Basically if you Self-inquired and nothing happened, it was back to yoga until your intellect was sattvic enough to transcend with atma-vichara. This rather important point seems to be missing from the neo-advaita folks. The basic structure/technique is language designed to get the seeker OUT OF HIS HEAD, out of the intellect, and out of concepts of future enlight- enment and into an awareness of Now and only Now. If that is accomplished, *some people* can exper- ience in that Nowness a moment (or longer) of satori or realization. In my experience, the sat- sang experience works best for those who have had enlightenment experiences or realization experiences BEFORE, and who thus take advantage of the silence of Nowness to remember it and re-experience it. You make a critical point about language here. We tmer's are so used to language being used to construct a conceptual model of enlightenment that we fail to recognize any other use of language. Ramana rarely used language this way. For Ramana, language is a tool to trigger realization. Maharishi, almost never, used language this way. Maharishi built waking state models of realization that our minds could hold onto. Raman didn't build conceptual models. Unfortunatly, Neo-advaita speak, at its worst, builds conceptual process models that are, imho, ridiculous for the most part.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
On Jun 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, mrfishey2001 wrote: This is clearly an adolescent whose entire intellectual magazine amounts to little more than I know you are, but what am I? I haven't checked the posting guidelines lately, isn't there an age limit for participants? Yeah, anyone over 100 is a no-no. Sal
