Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? What! Because it doesn't have characteristics we usually associate with consciousness, for starters. Off, with all due respect, your thinking is kinda loose at the edges! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
On 9/29/05 5:01 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion you joined to completely unrelated ideas together here: intelligence and 'God'. This is the irrational leap that all the anti-intelligent design scientists make. Intelligent universe does not imply the common concept of a 'God' and I have never stated there was a God. You made that leap on your own. The idea is really of a *creator* god, not merely a god. In general gods are dangerous for spiritual practitioners and for civilized societies, as most (e.g. IHVH and Allah) are not enlightened and still possessed with afflictive emotions. This only reinforces the need for absolute separation of church/mosque and state--however the collective recognition of codes which correspond to a transcendental morality may be worth looking into. An interesting POV: Tony: The word that never pops into these discussions is the term God, which is central in virtually every other religion. Lama Ole Nydahl: We don't use it. It creates an unnecessary duality which one would have to dismantle later. We see gods as conditioned beings, who are not enlightened and though Buddhism knows of many gods, we prefer to keep a safe distance. We wish them everything good, of course, but do not get involved unless they might come to learn. To understand why, one needs only to examine their words. Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies. Most have character problems. Some are jealous; some are vengeful, none have found peace in their own essence. They all have visible egos and frequently display irrational behavior. They want beings to do this, and not to do that. They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as our neighbors, it would be unwise to take them as gods. I know that many people don't like to be confronted with such views and given the mental levels of their followers and the political situations at their times, the gods should also be given the benefits of any doubt. There is no way to ignore their statements in their ancient but still authorized texts; however, the way they still motivate the behavior of their followers today brings so much suffering. As any reader of intelligent newspapers will know, they suppress the greater part of the world's women and regularly erupt into strange and harmful actions even when kept under constant surveillance. Mind's full development, on the other hand, its clear light and radiant awareness, its consciousness endowed with every freedom to feel, question and do - this is perfect. Rest in that and avoid the personal, difficult, and unclear. Go straight to the radiant, compassionate joy which is always satisfactory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies. Mmm, this is a nice one, Vaj. Do you endorse this assertion? No comment. The answers are out there, find them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
On 9/29/05 5:38 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as our neighbors, it would be unwise to take them as gods. And he's a Dane. http://www.lama-ole-nydahl.org/ http://www.diamondway.org/usa/1ole.php http://www.spiritualteachers.org/lama_ole_nydahl.htm I knew of him, but this is the first thing I've ever read of him. Funny stuff. You should read his autobiography which is hilarious at points. Who would ever have guessed that someone who was smuggling hashish out of Nepal inside Buddha heads would become the foremost lama in the western world for transmitting the phowa, the transference. This dude's opened more crown chakras than anyone I know or've heard of Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
On 9/29/05 6:16 PM, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:38 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as our neighbors, it would be unwise to take them as gods. And he's a Dane. http://www.lama-ole-nydahl.org/ http://www.diamondway.org/usa/1ole.php http://www.spiritualteachers.org/lama_ole_nydahl.htm I knew of him, but this is the first thing I've ever read of him. Funny stuff. You should read his autobiography which is hilarious at points. Who would ever have guessed that someone who was smuggling hashish out of Nepal inside Buddha heads would become the foremost lama in the western world for transmitting the phowa, the transference. This dude's opened more crown chakras than anyone I know or've heard of Not surprised- Looks like a crown chakra opener. Very focused there. Or did he do it with the hashish? No that was long gone by then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
Well you might want to reread my own statements at the top of the original post and the corresponding one on a.m.t then... On 9/29/05 6:17 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies. Mmm, this is a nice one, Vaj. Do you endorse this assertion? No comment. The answers are out there, find them. Not the answer as to whether you endorse this assertion. Only you can tell us that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
