Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kubrick The Illuminati
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com That's all my EWS stories from Mentmore but I did read an article about Kubrick by Guardian journo Jon Ronson, he was invited to have a look round Kubrick's office after he'd died and one of the curios he found was a box of photographs of doors. Thousands of them. Apparently he'd sent scouts round London taking pics of every door they could find and when he found the one he wanted he had a replica made. Pretty obsessive, especially since it was used only once in the film when Tom Cruise visits his friend and knocks on it, the door opens and he walks through. That was it! Although as I mentioned before Kubrick is not one of my favorites, I love stories like this. I heard another one about Michaelangelo Antonioni. He was filming a scene on a beach for one of his films, looked through the viewfinder just before he was about to start shooting, swore, and sent the actors back to their trailers. Their action was in the foreground, with the rest of the beach curving around in the background of the shot. But something wasn't right with that background, so he sent a bunch of people to ask the people who owned one house half a mile away whether he could paint it red for the shot. After much wrangling (and days wasted because the scene couldn't be completed until this was done), the owners agreed, as long as he painted it back to the original color again when he was finished. These days you'd just take care of this in post-processing with CGI. Kubrick was a notorious perfectionist, he was working on a movie about Napoleon and he had boxes of index cards detailing every single day of his life. Not all of it was known obviously but what isn't was inferred from what is known and the whole thing was cross indexed to every known letter sent or received and every book, newspaper, magazine about him. You realise why his films have that very controlled look about them when you know this. But he was apparently very hard to work with due to his perfectionism, you had to live up to it too. My Dad worked in the technical side of the film business based at Pinewood Studios and knew what it was like having to process everything to his standards. I used to help out there during school holidays which was cool. Cool. What a fun thing to do. The closest I ever got to a movie set was skipping school and working as an extra on an Italian Bible epic being filmed in Morocco. Appropriately enough given criticisms people have of me here, the film was called, The Last Days Of Sodom And Gomorrah. :-) Kubrick ended up living near Pinewood because he hated flying so much and he only got on a plane once to come here and do some filming for Paths of Glory (I think) and he never went home, just stayed in England! So the sets of all his films, no matter where they were set, had to be recreated between Slough and Watford. This is what spoiled Full Metal Jacket The US boot camp scenes all have those concrete municipal lampposts that English councils put up in the 30's. I don't believe they have identical ones in Florida, and it destroyed the illusion for me. Odd for an obsessive like Kubrick to overlook it though. Although Eyes Wide Shut was talked down by the critics I really loved it (I've seen the movie three times so far). The sexual paranoia that pervades the film really appeals. But to learn that the house where the sex party/rites scene was shot has at least a tenuous link to Maharishi's Mentmore Towers means that I myself can fantasize that I have at least a flimsy connection to the sinister cult portrayed! I didn't like EWS actually, I thought it was too late into the modern world to be effective. I got the impression Kubrick must have had a sheltered life for him to think that women having sexual fantasies was shocking enough to send men into a dark night of the soul like Cruise went on. Exactly. I found myself hideously bored by all of the characters in EWS, especially Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. There was simply nothing about them and their lives that I found interesting, so it was difficult for me to find the film interesting. I like his distinctive directing style though but it works best on 2001 I think. The Kubrick film I find most revealing in terms of what I didn't like about him as a writer and a director wasn't even filmed by Kubrick. He wrote the screenplay but died before making the film, so it was created as a tribute by Steven Spielberg, and called A.I. For me, this film pinpoints Kubrick's biggest weakness -- he really didn't get human beings...how they think and act, and what makes them tick. He was so stuck in his own head that the things he came up with as plots often felt so *false* as to be unbelievable. The example in A.I. is that ostensibly (according to the voiceover introduction and Kubrick's script) the film was all about, Can a robot feel love? Yet if you watch the movie and pay attention, the entire
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com That's all my EWS stories from Mentmore but I did read an article about Kubrick by Guardian journo Jon Ronson, he was invited to have a look round Kubrick's office after he'd died and one of the curios he found was a box of photographs of doors. Thousands of them. Apparently he'd sent scouts round London taking pics of every door they could find and when he found the one he wanted he had a replica made. Pretty obsessive, especially since it was used only once in the film when Tom Cruise visits his friend and knocks on it, the door opens and he walks through. That was it! Although as I mentioned before Kubrick is not one of my favorites, I love stories like this. I heard another one about Michaelangelo Antonioni. He was filming a scene on a beach for one of his films, looked through the viewfinder just before he was about to start shooting, swore, and sent the actors back to their trailers. Their action was in the foreground, with the rest of the beach curving around in the background of the shot. But something wasn't right with that background, so he sent a bunch of people to ask the people who owned one house half a mile away whether he could paint it red for the shot. After much wrangling (and days wasted because the scene couldn't be completed until this was done), the owners agreed, as long as he painted it back to the original color again when he was finished. These days you'd just take care of this in post-processing with CGI. Amazing, these artistic types! When I saw Quills I was scanning the shots of the house exterior for my TV ariel that I'd installed on a broomstick surrounded by bricks and had forgotten to take down. But that had been removed digitally, would be on those bloopers shows if they hadn't. Kubrick was a notorious perfectionist, he was working on a movie about Napoleon and he had boxes of index cards detailing every single day of his life. Not all of it was known obviously but what isn't was inferred from what is known and the whole thing was cross indexed to every known letter sent or received and every book, newspaper, magazine about him. You realise why his films have that very controlled look about them when you know this. But he was apparently very hard to work with due to his perfectionism, you had to live up to it too. My Dad worked in the technical side of the film business based at Pinewood Studios and knew what it was like having to process everything to his standards. I used to help out there during school holidays which was cool. Cool. What a fun thing to do. The closest I ever got to a movie set was skipping school and working as an extra on an Italian Bible epic being filmed in Morocco. Appropriately enough given criticisms people have of me here, the film was called, The Last Days Of Sodom And Gomorrah. :-) Careful, we don't want to lose anyone else... I saw a lot of movies before anyone else did, sometimes in the editing room. We were always invited to cast/crew screenings of Bond movies. My Dad even had a letter that would get him into any cinema in the country. We saw Star Wars in 77 and walked straight past the queues to the doorman who read my dad's letter and ushered to the best seats in the house. I don't know what the letter said, I've got a gun in my pocket maybe? Kubrick ended up living near Pinewood because he hated flying so much and he only got on a plane once to come here and do some filming for Paths of Glory (I think) and he never went home, just stayed in England! So the sets of all his films, no matter where they were set, had to be recreated between Slough and Watford. This is what spoiled Full Metal Jacket The US boot camp scenes all have those concrete municipal lampposts that English councils put up in the 30's. I don't believe they have identical ones in Florida, and it destroyed the illusion for me. Odd for an obsessive like Kubrick to overlook it though. Although Eyes Wide Shut was talked down by the critics I really loved it (I've seen the movie three times so far). The sexual paranoia that pervades the film really appeals. But to learn that the house where the sex party/rites scene was shot has at least a tenuous link to Maharishi's Mentmore Towers means that I myself can fantasize that I have at least a flimsy connection to the sinister cult portrayed! I didn't like EWS actually, I thought it was too late into the modern world to be effective. I got the impression Kubrick must have had a sheltered life for him to think that women having sexual fantasies was shocking enough to send men into a dark night of the soul like Cruise went on. Exactly. I found myself hideously bored by all of the characters in EWS, especially Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. There was simply nothing about them and their lives that I found
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kubrick The Illuminati
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
The Kubrick film I find most revealing in terms of what I didn't like about
him as a writer and a director wasn't even filmed by Kubrick. He wrote the
screenplay but died before making the film, so it was created as a tribute by
Steven Spielberg, and called A.I. For me, this film pinpoints Kubrick's
biggest weakness -- he really didn't get human beings...how they think and
act, and what makes them tick. He was so stuck in his own head that the things
he came up with as plots often felt so *false* as to be unbelievable.
The example in A.I. is that ostensibly (according to the voiceover
introduction and Kubrick's script) the film was all about, Can a robot feel
love? Yet if you watch the movie and pay attention, the entire movie is the
robot obsessing about whether anyone loves *him*. Kubrick never noticed.
I never saw it, but did hear that Spielberg added a lot of shmaltz to it, but
maybe it would have been unbearable to me anyway even without anything extra
from a seasoned emotional manipulator like Spielberg.
I do think that Kubrick's oddly disconnected style of super-controlled film
making suited futuristic things. I really like A Clockwork Orange, it's a
shame enough other people didn't get it to the extent that he had to remove it
from release himself. I heard a girl actually got raped by people dressed like
the Droogs in the film. Talk about missing the point...
Agreed that his style was better suited to portraying robots than humans, and
thus better suited to scifi. Re missing the point about the gang rape scene
in A Clockwork Orange, the worst part about your story is that I heard that
the wife of Anthony Burgess, author of the original novella Kubrick based the
film on, really was gang-raped during the blackout in London. That event and
its aftermath is what caused Burgess to write the novella.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kubrick The Illuminati
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The Kubrick film I find most revealing in terms of what I didn't like about him as a writer and a director wasn't even filmed by Kubrick. He wrote the screenplay but died before making the film, so it was created as a tribute by Steven Spielberg, and called A.I. For me, this film pinpoints Kubrick's biggest weakness -- he really didn't get human beings...how they think and act, and what makes them tick. He was so stuck in his own head that the things he came up with as plots often felt so *false* as to be unbelievable. The example in A.I. is that ostensibly (according to the voiceover introduction and Kubrick's script) the film was all about, Can a robot feel love? Yet if you watch the movie and pay attention, the entire movie is the robot obsessing about whether anyone loves *him*. Kubrick never noticed. I never saw it, but did hear that Spielberg added a lot of shmaltz to it, but maybe it would have been unbearable to me anyway even without anything extra from a seasoned emotional manipulator like Spielberg. I do think that Kubrick's oddly disconnected style of super-controlled film making suited futuristic things. I really like A Clockwork Orange, it's a shame enough other people didn't get it to the extent that he had to remove it from release himself. I heard a girl actually got raped by people dressed like the Droogs in the film. Talk about missing the point... Agreed that his style was better suited to portraying robots than humans, and thus better suited to scifi. Re missing the point about the gang rape scene in A Clockwork Orange, the worst part about your story is that I heard that the wife of Anthony Burgess, author of the original novella Kubrick based the film on, really was gang-raped during the blackout in London. That event and its aftermath is what caused Burgess to write the novella. Oh dear, I didn't know that. That would explain his justification for the ending. It's funny, I always thought that most people didn't get the point of the film. Most see it as a warning about state mind control but it always seemed to me to be about the difference between social and personal vengeance. That the state don't have the right to let emotions dictate policy and treatment of prisoners, but people can't help themselves from acting out how they feel - especially when confronted with the fact they are fighting for the rights of someone who committed grievous harm on them and their own. Kubrick never talked about his reasons for making the film, which is proper as it makes it more philosophical for the viewer. I consider it an artistic success but hope I'm not alone in finding it to be hilarious in a dark Itchy and Scratchy kind of way
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On 11/30/2014 03:27 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I saw a lot of movies before anyone else did, sometimes in the editing room. We were always invited to cast/crew screenings of Bond movies. My Dad even had a letter that would get him into any cinema in the country. We saw Star Wars in 77 and walked straight past the queues to the doorman who read my dad's letter and ushered to the best seats in the house. I stood in a line stretching around the block in Seattle with a couple friends (also TM teachers) in 1977 to see Star Wars not realizing it was a film by a neighbor I knew and hung out with in 1970 when I lived in Mill Valley, California. I also saw THX 1138 when it played at my hometown drive-in. Never saw American Graffiti though. Thing is, I'm not good at remembering names and the PR for 1138 which was in a Newsweek piece didn't have a picture of George and by Star Wars he'd put on weight so I didn't recognize him. I didn't figure this all out until the early 1990s. And I'm embarrassed because a friend ran into him at a party and George remembered me by name! We used to have an Emmy award winning editor on FFL. I have to check every so once and a while to see what he's up to. When one is in the arts you just often wind up meeting famous people and if you mention it sound like a name dropper but that's just how it goes. Weirdest one was finding out that my small town school principal was the uncle of a famous Hollywood actress and I also used to play music with her brother and he never mentioned it.
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On 11/30/2014 3:22 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I didn't mind the orgy scene - typically well filmed - and knew it was based on an old book. So, you liked the orgy scene, Salya.
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I don't particularly like Kubrick as a director and didn't like Eyes Wide Shut, but these are cool stories because of the TM connection. I can add one more that provides another link to the TM movement (although a short and temporary one). When I was on my 6-month Sidhis course in St. Moritz, Switzerland, we stayed in the big hotel at the top of the mountain. As usual on those courses, it was summertime in a winter resort, and normally the hotel would have been closed, but the TMO rented it to hold a Sidhis course in and we were the only guests. Anyway, one day everybody was out on their regimented walk and talk and I'd stayed at the hotel because I was feeling a bit poorly. And this guy showed up at the door of the hotel and asked if he could look around. He said that he was a location scout for Stanley Kubrick and was looking for a hotel in which to shoot his next movie. None of the admins were around for me to ask, so I made a judgment call and showed him around. Turns out the movie he was location-scouting for was The Shining. It finally got made in a hotel in Colorado, but I always thought it was funny that this guy thought that a hotel full of TM Sidhas was a good candidate for shooting a horror movie. :-) From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 5:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kubrick The Illuminati Your message has made my day! If you have any other recollections of the filming of Eyes Wide Shut do share them. Although Eyes Wide Shut was talked down by the critics I really loved it (I've seen the movie three times so far). The sexual paranoia that pervades the film really appeals. But to learn that the house where the sex party/rites scene was shot has at least a tenuous link to Maharishi's Mentmore Towers means that I myself can fantasize that I have at least a flimsy connection to the sinister cult portrayed! Until you mentioned it, I hadn't realised that the orgy scene was set to a recitation of The Bhagavad Gita . This is getting better and better! The icing on the cake would have been if they had used MMY's translation (!). Unfortunately I just Googled the details and it turns out that Hindus objected to the use of the Gita (on the film's original release) and it was cut from the movie you can see on DVD today. (There's some chanting earlier in the scene which is a Catholic text played backwards! I've pasted a link below.) The original Sanskrit recitation that Kubrick intended (damn Warner Brothers for getting cold feet and deleting it!) read: Parithranaya Saadhunam Vinashaya cha dushkrithaam Dharmasamsthabanarthaya Sambhavami yuge yuge which means: For the protection of the virtuous, for the destruction of the evil and for the firm establishment of Dharma (righteousness), I take birth and am incarnated on Earth, from age to age. Re Mentmore Towers: say what you like but MMY knew how to pick some prime real estate. Beautiful building and grounds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwRRwUb4IE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks, it's most interesting to see all the Masonic symbolism that I didn't notice before. Or is it not realy there and we are just getting a power of suggestion thing now that it's been pointed out? I haven't watched it all yet but I can add a bit to the Rothschild story. The house the orgy scene from Eyes Wide Shut was filmed in was indeed a Rothschild home but the one shown at 3.31 is Mentmore Towers, owned by the TMO at the time, and not the same one where the actual sexy bits were filmed. Kubric was apparently a bit of a character and wanted to knock down the main supporting wall inside Mentmore because he wanted the room to be 20 feet larger! The guy in charge of location work said that, of course he could knock the wall down as long as he rebuilt it perfectly! Even Kubrick balked at that idea and ended up moving to the Rothschild house down the road to complete the filming, only using the exterior shots of our pad in the final cut. The Rothschild's had loads of homes, they thought it would be a wheeze to be able to see them all from each other, and you can indeed see each one from the grounds of next. Hard life. Everyone at the Towers was upset when they heard that the orgy scene was set to someone reciting the Bhagavad Gita. Great place to live though, I really enjoyed the filming work there, I remember bumping into John Thaw when I was going to breakfast once, and I opened the door to Michael Cain when he was filming Quills about the Marquis De Sade. Gave a bit of colour to the day! They were both really friendly and didn't mind us watching them acting. The director of Quills was overjoyed with Mentmore, he said he could film the grandiose palace scenes in the main hall and the seedy brothel scenes in the staff quarters. LOL! #yiv0305546427
