Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
Detached, In a ‘range’ of unboundedness I feel it is interesting to see a communal fluidity in Fairfield that can move from MMY & unboundedness to particular attachments and then over to something of detachment. Emily.Mae50 offers: It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. Sal Sunshine considers: For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. That (balanced, nuanced and realistic view) is probably a fair assessment that observes something of a mix in a ‘detachment’ in how different people in the meditating community have shut down, or left, fallen or gone away, or stayed for their own reasons. “Securing Safety” in the TM movement, this explains something about why people may have shutdown or left. (FFL #422993Re: The Science of Compassion) Sal also writing: Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... .. . ---In [email protected], wrote : Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi’s teacher (aka, Guru Dev), was both nuanced and practical in his talks about this subject, with a sense of humor too. Taught of character and morality in this too as they relate to human evolution. Once you get in to the discourses and find his voice in them the teaching is not so authoritarian but folk practical. See: http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html?ppn=1 http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html?ppn=1 . [email protected]> wrote : "Balanced, nuanced, and realistic." Nice. Yes, to each his own. I feel the need at times to counter what comes across to me as absolutism. Clearly MMY was (or is, for those who believe this way) a person with extraordinary charisma and energy and presence and vision and love, too. The movement and practice and knowledge he successfully introduced, translated, and interpreted for, and marketed to, the Western masses is astounding. salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote : What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Lol emily.mae50... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. shrijau replies : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk .. .Quoting: Question: "I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our" MAHARISHI: "Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question: We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi’s teacher (aka, Guru Dev), was both nuanced and practical in his talks about this subject, with a sense of humor too. Taught of character and morality in this too as they relate to human evolution. Once you get in to the discourses and find his voice in them the teaching is not so authoritarian but folk practical. See: http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html?ppn=1 http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html?ppn=1 . ---In [email protected], wrote : "Balanced, nuanced, and realistic." Nice. Yes, to each his own. I feel the need at times to counter what comes across to me as absolutism. Clearly MMY was (or is, for those who believe this way) a person with extraordinary charisma and energy and presence and vision and love, too. The movement and practice and knowledge he successfully introduced, translated, and interpreted for, and marketed to, the Western masses is astounding. ---In [email protected], wrote : On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:35 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:[email protected]> wrote: What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Lol Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], mailto:[email protected]> wrote : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
"Balanced, nuanced, and realistic." Nice. Yes, to each his own. I feel the need at times to counter what comes across to me as absolutism. Clearly MMY was (or is, for those who believe this way) a person with extraordinary charisma and energy and presence and vision and love, too. The movement and practice and knowledge he successfully introduced, translated, and interpreted for, and marketed to, the Western masses is astounding. ---In [email protected], wrote : On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:35 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:[email protected]> wrote: What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Lol Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], mailto:[email protected]> wrote : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:35 PM, [email protected] [FairfieldLife] > wrote: > > > > What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental > attitude! Lol > Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What > do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? > What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings > want, regardless of how they try to get there. > > It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to > a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or > person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... > > To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have > had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for > centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and > all that he was experienced as when he was alive. > > For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word > "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. > > ---In [email protected], wrote : > > thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we > have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so > ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including > some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out > false attitude of detachment junk > > >
