Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Dear Judy, Thank you for articulating your concerns. Curtis's use of the term disassociation was amusing and concerning for me. My amusement, of course reflected in my response to him, and because of the fact that he uses it to smear me in the absence of any intelligent response he can come up with when faced with very serious questions on his behavior here. The fact that he uses disassociation to attack me is very concerning because of his background - but then he has used other labels in his attacks such as NPD in reference to Robin and ASD in your case - it's a predictable pattern he and his pals - Barry, Vah, dumbazgrey and others have followed. It shows their ignorance, dishonesty and lack of ethics. Disassociative states are not be made fun of and used to smear others for one's selfish reasons. It disproportionately affects women who have suffered sexual and physical abuse. It is a harrowing and distressing experience for both the victims and the their intimate family members. In addition to his ignorance he shows a callous insensitivity. Of course he also specifically chose disassociation because of my mystical experiences. He clearly has 2nd hand hand knowledge of disassociative states caused by TM. But he is very ignorant of it - like you said half-knowledge or little knowledge. I actually agree that TM may cause these states in certain individuals but of course Vaj and others have used it for their selfish reasons and personal vendettas. I have extensive knowledge of it, having personally experienced disassociative states such as de-personalization, de-realization between 2002-2009 because of my mystical experiences. One especially harrowing one in 2006 that caused me to take a week off. Interesting in my case is that I never practiced any meditation or any other spiritual practices, in fact I was always focussed on my family and career, was only involved in Amma's cult because of my then partner. And of course I was totally unaware of these states back then because unlike TM Amma's spiritual practices are very cultish, centered around her as the infallible Guru, divine Mother - solely consisting of devotional chants, selfless service and spiritual talks (mostly consists of fancy tales of Amma's miracles, grace, etc). Anyway a very sensitive, interesting topic - obviously Curtis comes out as an idiot using it for his own selfish motivations and smear campaign. Understanding Curtis's disabilities I came with an ironical response to him. His ignorance and dishonesty doesn't deserve a sincere reply from me. Ravi. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM, authfriend wrote: > ** > > > Ravi, > > You might want to add to your list of advice to Curtis > that he quit pretending he has any expertise in mental > health issues. > > That you occasionally speak of yourself in the third > person, for instance, is not a sign of dissociation. It's > not even "a very interesting tell." > > Nor have I ever seen you post anything that could possibly > be characterized as "word salad." That has a specific > meaning in psychology, and it ain't what you do. > > The tactic among certain parties on FFL to suggest that > people they don't like suffer from clinical psychological > disorders is disgraceful, IMHO. > > (I posted about this this morning, but the post never > showed up, so I'm recapping it.) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Oh Curtis baby - just because I am hard on you doesn't mean I don't love > > you. Need I say it - just ranting without articulating your needs is a > sign > > of low emotional intelligence. All you had to do was swallow your pride > and > > say - Hey Rav, can I have a consolidated, concise list like Steve as > well. > > > > Oh yeah? No problem Curtis here you go > > > > 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they are > - > > I already told you OK?) > > 2) Avoid your weaknesses - viz your seductive, killer charm shouldn't > come > > at the expense of honest, integrity and accountability. > > 3) Stop falling prey to the rabid pack mentality of your white, old boy, > > Mid-Western clique. > > 4) Stop letting your beliefs in the epistemological purity of > neuroscience > > and DSM from making you immobile > > 5) Stop getting progressively cruder, baser and grosser because of your 7 > > layered deception > > > > Good luck !!! > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:06 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert > > > even > > > > > as > he challenges and confront> > > > > > > > > > > Talking about y
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Dear Judy, Thank you for articulating your concerns. Curtis's use of the term disassociation was amusing and concerning for me. My amusement, of course reflected in my response to him, and because of the fact that he uses it to smear me in the absence of any intelligent response he can come up when faced with very serious questions on his behavior here. The fact that he uses disassociation to attack me is very concerning because of his background - but then he has used other labels in his attacks such as NPD in refernce to Robin and ASD in your case - it's a predictable pattern he and his pals - Barry, Vah, dumbazgrey and other have followed. It shows their ignorance, dishonest and lack of ethics. Dis-associative states are not be made fun of and used it to smear others for one's selfish reasons. It disproportionately affects women who have suffered sexual and physical abuse. It is a harrowing and distressing experience for both the victims and the their intimate family members. In addition to his ignorance he shows a callous insensitivity. Of course he also specifically chose disassociation because of my mystical experiences. He clearly has 2nd hand hand knowledge of dis-associative states caused by TM. But he is very ignorant of it - like you said half-knowledge or little knowledge. I actually agree that TM may cause these states in certain individuals but of course Vaj and others have used it for their selfish reasons and personal vendetta. I have extensive knowledge of it having personally experienced dis-associative states such as de-personalization, de-realization between 2002-2009 because of my mystical experiences. One especially harrowing one in 2006 that caused me to take a week off. Interesting in my case is that I never practiced any meditation or any other spiritual practices, in fact I was always focussed on my family and career, was only involved in Amma's cult because of my then partner. And of course I was totally unaware of these states back then because unlike TM Amma's spiritual practices are very cultish, centered around her as the infallible Guru, divine Mother - solely consisting of devotional chants, selfless service and spiritual talks (mostly consists of fancy tales of Amma's miracles, grace, etc). Anyway a very sensitive, interesting topic - obviously Curtis comes out as an idiot using it for his own selfish motivations and smear campaign. Understanding Curtis's disabilities I came with an ironical response to him. His ignorance doesn't deserve a sincere reply from me. Ravi. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM, authfriend wrote: > ** > > > Ravi, > > You might want to add to your list of advice to Curtis > that he quit pretending he has any expertise in mental > health issues. > > That you occasionally speak of yourself in the third > person, for instance, is not a sign of dissociation. It's > not even "a very interesting tell." > > Nor have I ever seen you post anything that could possibly > be characterized as "word salad." That has a specific > meaning in psychology, and it ain't what you do. > > The tactic among certain parties on FFL to suggest that > people they don't like suffer from clinical psychological > disorders is disgraceful, IMHO. > > (I posted about this this morning, but the post never > showed up, so I'm recapping it.) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Oh Curtis baby - just because I am hard on you doesn't mean I don't love > > you. Need I say it - just ranting without articulating your needs is a > sign > > of low emotional intelligence. All you had to do was swallow your pride > and > > say - Hey Rav, can I have a consolidated, concise list like Steve as > well. > > > > Oh yeah? No problem Curtis here you go > > > > 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they are > - > > I already told you OK?) > > 2) Avoid your weaknesses - viz your seductive, killer charm shouldn't > come > > at the expense of honest, integrity and accountability. > > 3) Stop falling prey to the rabid pack mentality of your white, old boy, > > Mid-Western clique. > > 4) Stop letting your beliefs in the epistemological purity of > neuroscience > > and DSM from making you immobile > > 5) Stop getting progressively cruder, baser and grosser because of your 7 > > layered deception > > > > Good luck !!! > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:06 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert > > > even > > > > > as > he challenges and confront> > > > > > > > > > > Talking about yourself in the thir
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Oh Curtis baby - just because I am hard on you doesn't mean I don't love you. Need I say it - just ranting without articulating your needs is a sign of low emotional intelligence. All you had to do was swallow your pride and say - Hey Rav, can I have a consolidated, concise list like Steve as well. Oh yeah? No problem Curtis here you go 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they are - I already told you OK?) 2) Avoid your weaknesses - viz your seductive, killer charm shouldn't come at the expense of honest, integrity and accountability. 3) Stop falling prey to the rabid pack mentality of your white, old boy, Mid-Western clique. 4) Stop letting your beliefs in the epistemological purity of neuroscience and DSM from making you immobile 5) Stop getting progressively cruder, baser and grosser because of your 7 layered deception Good luck !!! On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:06 AM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert > even > > > as > he challenges and confront> > > > > > > Talking about yourself in the third person is a very interesting tell. > > > > > > Do you know what it means? > > > > > > > Yes - a sign of humility or arrogance, perhaps both,> > > I was going for dissociation. It also explains a lot of other things. > > > < is there a difference> between humility and arrogance? > > > A profound one, but neither judgment value is the most relevant to your > situation IMO. > > > > > Necessarily, no. I suspect they show up as context dependent qualities. I > don't see them as polarities that could cause a swing between them like > arrogance and low self esteem. I see those as more connected. > > Humility to me is a well-adjusted reaction to the fact of our intellectual > existence. We are always working with too little information, so we have > little to be arrogant about. > > > < Since such a> notion is beyond your present ability and your belief in > the> epistemological purity of neuroscience and DSM manuals > > > I don't think your word salad collage technique is working too well, > although I do understand your wariness toward the DSM manual. > > > <- go with Ravi is a > narcissist or a fucking lunatic - take your pick > :-)> > > Neither of those would have been my pick. I suspect this anonymous venue > amplifies certain issues you have unnaturally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:57 AM, seventhray27 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > Pathetic and you can't even see it because the time and energy I > have > > > > > spent > > > > > > here will be futile since your response will be another brainless > > > post. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, well try this. What is it about men, or at least men here that > you > > > > > seem to despise so much? You maybe had some limited interaction > with > > > Bob > > > > > Price that was of a more friendly nature. I don't believe you > > > intereacted > > > > > with Robin directly, only indirectly. You have shared here that > your > > > father > > > > > was abusive to your mother and abandoned the family. Do you think > you > > > have > > > > > issues along these lines translate into how you inertact with men > in > > > > > general. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your response - another willful moronic, trollish post? > > > > > > > > You would be an idiot if you think I haven't or don't interact with > Bob > > > > and/or Robin directly and like you suspect I have and do love, > respect > > > both > > > > - the last time I checked they haven't undergone any sex change. > > > > > > > > Let me tell you a secret, if you are a man - the feeling of being > loved > > > and > > > > respected by Ravi after being baited and challenged by him is one of > the > > > > most awesomest feelings. So unless I take fancy to someone everyone > has > > > to > > > > go through this process. > > > > > > > > I regret to say it but only a few have tasted that and based upon > your > > > > current behavior your chances to succeed are very slim in light of > your > > > > behavior discussed on this thread. > > > > > > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert > even as > > > > he challenges and confronts - so you may have good chance if you > follow > > > the > > > > below - we have already discussed this but considering your > disability I > > > am > > > > summarizing and reiterating it again > > > > > > > > 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they > are > > > - > > > > I already told you OK?)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert even > as > he challenges and confront> > > Talking about yourself in the third person is a very interesting tell. > > Do you know what it means? > Yes - a sign of humility or arrogance, perhaps both, is there a difference between humility and arrogance? Would one lead to the other? Since such a notion is beyond your present ability and your belief in the epistemological purity of neuroscience and DSM manuals - go with Ravi is a narcissist or a fucking lunatic - take your pick :-) > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:57 AM, seventhray27 wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > snip > > > > > > > Pathetic and you can't even see it because the time and energy I have > > > spent > > > > here will be futile since your response will be another brainless > post. > > > > > > Ok, well try this. What is it about men, or at least men here that you > > > seem to despise so much? You maybe had some limited interaction with > Bob > > > Price that was of a more friendly nature. I don't believe you > intereacted > > > with Robin directly, only indirectly. You have shared here that your > father > > > was abusive to your mother and abandoned the family. Do you think you > have > > > issues along these lines translate into how you inertact with men in > > > general. > > > > > > > > > > > So your response - another willful moronic, trollish post? > > > > You would be an idiot if you think I haven't or don't interact with Bob > > and/or Robin directly and like you suspect I have and do love, respect > both > > - the last time I checked they haven't undergone any sex change. > > > > Let me tell you a secret, if you are a man - the feeling of being loved > and > > respected by Ravi after being baited and challenged by him is one of the > > most awesomest feelings. So unless I take fancy to someone everyone has > to > > go through this process. > > > > I regret to say it but only a few have tasted that and based upon your > > current behavior your chances to succeed are very slim in light of your > > behavior discussed on this thread. > > > > Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert even as > > he challenges and confronts - so you may have good chance if you follow > the > > below - we have already discussed this but considering your disability I > am > > summarizing and reiterating it again > > > > 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they are > - > > I already told you OK?) > > 2) Avoid your weaknesses - i.e. judging people's motivations. > > 3) Stop falling prey to the "damsel in distress" act of vile, vindictive > > bitches. > > 4) Stop falling prey to the wily charm of His Holiness(s) - masters of > > seven-layered deception. > > 5) Stop falling prey to the rabid pack mentality of your white, old boy, > > Mid-Western clique. > > > > Good luck !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Ravi Guru, > > > > > > > > Picture life as a car with a five speed transmission. Four forward > gears, > > > > and one reverse. Some even have overdrive. It might be time to shift > from > > > > second gear to third gear. You've been stuck in second for some time > now. > > > > I remember when you went from first to second gear two or three years > > > ago. > > > > It was good. It's time to make another shift. You'll be surprised how > > > > much better the machine runs. It won't have all that friction. Try > it, > > > you > > > > may like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah right - false equivalence. Curtis did his thing, Judy did her > > > thing, > > > > > it's all a matter of differing, perspectives, POV's - there is no > such > > > > > thing as facts, truth - we get it. > > > > > > > > > > No this not letting it go Curtis - it is one more deceptive salvo. > The > > > > last > > > > > context shifting, the last breath of deceptive CRT. Curtis, the > nice > > > guy, > > > > > the ever gentleman - willing to let Judy finish on an even footing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM, curtisdeltablues < > > > > > curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no, but then he said and then you said, and then he said, and > > > then > > > > you > > > > > > said... > > > > > > > > > > > > I forget what it is you are trying so desperately to be right > about > > > > > > concerning my interactions with Robin, but if you are happy so > am I. > > > > > > > > > > > > You proved what you wanted to the people who think like you, > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:57 AM, seventhray27 wrote: > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > snip > > > Pathetic and you can't even see it because the time and energy I have > spent > > here will be futile since your response will be another brainless post. > > Ok, well try this. What is it about men, or at least men here that you > seem to despise so much? You maybe had some limited interaction with Bob > Price that was of a more friendly nature. I don't believe you intereacted > with Robin directly, only indirectly. You have shared here that your father > was abusive to your mother and abandoned the family. Do you think you have > issues along these lines translate into how you inertact with men in > general. > > > So your response - another willful moronic, trollish post? You would be an idiot if you think I haven't or don't interact with Bob and/or Robin directly and like you suspect I have and do love, respect both - the last time I checked they haven't undergone any sex change. Let me tell you a secret, if you are a man - the feeling of being loved and respected by Ravi after being baited and challenged by him is one of the most awesomest feelings. So unless I take fancy to someone everyone has to go through this process. I regret to say it but only a few have tasted that and based upon your current behavior your chances to succeed are very slim in light of your behavior discussed on this thread. Of course as you know Ravi is always ever open, relaxed and alert even as he challenges and confronts - so you may have good chance if you follow the below - we have already discussed this but considering your disability I am summarizing and reiterating it again 1) Stick to your strengths (very, very important, you know what they are - I already told you OK?) 2) Avoid your weaknesses - i.e. judging people's motivations. 3) Stop falling prey to the "damsel in distress" act of vile, vindictive bitches. 4) Stop falling prey to the wily charm of His Holiness(s) - masters of seven-layered deception. 5) Stop falling prey to the rabid pack mentality of your white, old boy, Mid-Western clique. Good luck !!! > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Ravi Guru, > > > > Picture life as a car with a five speed transmission. Four forward gears, > > and one reverse. Some even have overdrive. It might be time to shift from > > second gear to third gear. You've been stuck in second for some time now. > > I remember when you went from first to second gear two or three years > ago. > > It was good. It's time to make another shift. You'll be surprised how > > much better the machine runs. It won't have all that friction. Try it, > you > > may like it. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > Yeah right - false equivalence. Curtis did his thing, Judy did her > thing, > > > it's all a matter of differing, perspectives, POV's - there is no such > > > thing as facts, truth - we get it. > > > > > > No this not letting it go Curtis - it is one more deceptive salvo. The > > last > > > context shifting, the last breath of deceptive CRT. Curtis, the nice > guy, > > > the ever gentleman - willing to let Judy finish on an even footing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM, curtisdeltablues < > > > curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no, but then he said and then you said, and then he said, and > then > > you > > > > said... > > > > > > > > I forget what it is you are trying so desperately to be right about > > > > concerning my interactions with Robin, but if you are happy so am I. > > > > > > > > You proved what you wanted to the people who think like you, > > > > > > > > and I did the same. Works for me. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to > follow > > > > it, or you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this > > for > > > > Robin. > > > > > > > > > > That's a fine start, Curtis. Let's see where > > > > > you're going to go with this: > > > > > > > > > > > Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to > > > > > > understand people deeply, and in fact elevates his > > > > > > personal opinions to being much more than that, to > > > > > > being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, > > > > > > is by your narrative... > > > > > > > > > > > > a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and > > > > > > seemingly pathologically devious person in the context > > > > > > of hundreds of hours of conversations on FFL and in > > > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > Well, it's actually by *his* narrative: > > > > > > > > > > "I have been naive and trusting way beyond what was > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Steve, At this point your shtick has turned into being a moronic, obnoxious troll. There was a time when your quips were funny. You know why? Because you are unencumbered and free to be yourself - just shooting from the hip. Your strength was never addressing the content of the post - it still isn't. Now your biggest strength has turned into a weakness - which is - your loyalty. But it is entirely misplaced here - people who either are vile, vindictive bitches or masters of deception. So - no you are a poor caricature of yourself - the guy with quirky, witty bursts. Now it's a clueless, shameless idiot who makes frivolous, careless, reactive posts. Pathetic and you can't even see it because the time and energy I have spent here will be futile since your response will be another brainless post. On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "seventhray27" wrote: Hey Ravi Guru, Picture life as a car with a five speed transmission. Four forward gears, and one reverse. Some even have overdrive. It might be time to shift from second gear to third gear. You've been stuck in second for some time now. I remember when you went from first to second gear two or three years ago. It was good. It's time to make another shift. You'll be surprised how much better the machine runs. It won't have all that friction. Try it, you may like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > Yeah right - false equivalence. Curtis did his thing, Judy did her thing, > it's all a matter of differing, perspectives, POV's - there is no such > thing as facts, truth - we get it. > > No this not letting it go Curtis - it is one more deceptive salvo. The last > context shifting, the last breath of deceptive CRT. Curtis, the nice guy, > the ever gentleman - willing to let Judy finish on an even footing. > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM, curtisdeltablues < > curtisdeltablues@... wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > No, no, but then he said and then you said, and then he said, and then you > > said... > > > > I forget what it is you are trying so desperately to be right about > > concerning my interactions with Robin, but if you are happy so am I. > > > > You proved what you wanted to the people who think like you, > > > > and I did the same. Works for me. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow > > it, or you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for > > Robin. > > > > > > That's a fine start, Curtis. Let's see where > > > you're going to go with this: > > > > > > > Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to > > > > understand people deeply, and in fact elevates his > > > > personal opinions to being much more than that, to > > > > being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, > > > > is by your narrative... > > > > > > > > a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and > > > > seemingly pathologically devious person in the context > > > > of hundreds of hours of conversations on FFL and in > > > > emails. > > > > > > Well, it's actually by *his* narrative: > > > > > > "I have been naive and trusting way beyond what was > > > appropriate in your caseI was naive and foolish in > > > whatever I read into our friendship during those long > > > conversations, both online and offline. I have assumed > > > you are someone you are notI understand; the fault > > > lies in me to have had such lofty and unrealizable > > > expectations." > > > > > > > In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's > > > > friendship in the beginning > > > > > > Oh, I'm sure you were both enjoying it. My goodness, he > > > appreciated the living daylights out of you. You were > > > inspired to be at your very most charming and creative > > > and funny. You reveled in his attention and admiration; > > > you never had a better audience on FFL. > > > > > > > until Robin decided that his judgements about me were > > > > more important to him than his friendship with me. > > > > > > Well, now, that's not quite true, is it, Curtis? This is > > > how he concluded the final post of his five-parter: > > > > > > "Look, Curtis, in going through this exercise with you I > > > feel my heart has opened again to you, with all that that > > > entails: the risk, the re-disillusionment, the resurrection, > > > the hope, the unconditioned and influenced by the past > > > beginning. I am starting over, because this intense locking > > > up with you has brought back the superb and unparalleled > > > experience of enjoying your spirit. So let's try this on > > > > > > "This has been good for me, Curtis; I believe we have really > > > cleared the air. But we have to see if we have between us > > > wrought a kind of miracle whereby we really do experience > > > that our friendship can take us over again,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Yeah right - false equivalence. Curtis did his thing, Judy did her thing, it's all a matter of differing, perspectives, POV's - there is no such thing as facts, truth - we get it. No this not letting it go Curtis - it is one more deceptive salvo. The last context shifting, the last breath of deceptive CRT. Curtis, the nice guy, the ever gentleman - willing to let Judy finish on an even footing. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > No, no, but then he said and then you said, and then he said, and then you > said... > > I forget what it is you are trying so desperately to be right about > concerning my interactions with Robin, but if you are happy so am I. > > You proved what you wanted to the people who think like you, > > and I did the same. Works for me. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > > Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow > it, or you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for > Robin. > > > > That's a fine start, Curtis. Let's see where > > you're going to go with this: > > > > > Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to > > > understand people deeply, and in fact elevates his > > > personal opinions to being much more than that, to > > > being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, > > > is by your narrative... > > > > > > a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and > > > seemingly pathologically devious person in the context > > > of hundreds of hours of conversations on FFL and in > > > emails. > > > > Well, it's actually by *his* narrative: > > > > "I have been naive and trusting way beyond what was > > appropriate in your caseI was naive and foolish in > > whatever I read into our friendship during those long > > conversations, both online and offline. I have assumed > > you are someone you are notI understand; the fault > > lies in me to have had such lofty and unrealizable > > expectations." > > > > > In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's > > > friendship in the beginning > > > > Oh, I'm sure you were both enjoying it. My goodness, he > > appreciated the living daylights out of you. You were > > inspired to be at your very most charming and creative > > and funny. You reveled in his attention and admiration; > > you never had a better audience on FFL. > > > > > until Robin decided that his judgements about me were > > > more important to him than his friendship with me. > > > > Well, now, that's not quite true, is it, Curtis? This is > > how he concluded the final post of his five-parter: > > > > "Look, Curtis, in going through this exercise with you I > > feel my heart has opened again to you, with all that that > > entails: the risk, the re-disillusionment, the resurrection, > > the hope, the unconditioned and influenced by the past > > beginning. I am starting over, because this intense locking > > up with you has brought back the superb and unparalleled > > experience of enjoying your spirit. So let's try this on > > > > "This has been good for me, Curtis; I believe we have really > > cleared the air. But we have to see if we have between us > > wrought a kind of miracle whereby we really do experience > > that our friendship can take us over again, and we start with > > only an imagined past. Or rather, we only let our personal > > history be determined by what was positive, which constituted— > > I have calculate this very carefully and exactly—97.47% of our > > previous interaction. > > > > "Good night, Curtis." > > > > Doesn't get much more heartfelt than that. > > > > And your response? You blew him off. You had no interest > > whatsoever in reconciling with him. > > > > What I quoted above, Robin excoriating himself for having > > been too naive and trusting, was his reply to your blowing > > off his proposal that the two of you start over. > > > > Oopsie! > > > > > And I am not really sure which of the many judgements he > > > has laid on me since the falling out is the real reason, > > > if there is only one, that caused him to make that choice. > > > > Which choice, the one to try to reconcile with you and > > start over again that you blew off? > > > > > It is this area that you have been idiotically speculating > > > about under the guise of catching me lying, > > > > Oh, I haven't been "speculating about" anything, Curtis. > > I have asserted that, contrary to your claim, the > > falling-out had nothing to do with your not accepting > > that Robin was in Unity consciousness a quarter of a > > century ago. I stand by that assertion; there is no > > evidence for that claim in what was posted on FFL. > > > > > while completely oblivious to the effect of your agenda > > > on the very person you profess to shed tears for. > > > > So tell me, Curtis, what *is* the effect of my agenda on > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Nope couldn't be any better Curtis - you come across a defeated, resigned man. Your personal attacks on Judy and Robin and using the term "emotional intelligence" on Judy was hilarious. If merely pointing out your hypocrisy and your predictable spinning of things into a muddled, contradictory mess is a personal attack then it once again points to be same pattern of yours. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Ravi speaking out against personal attacks and using the term "emotional > intelligence" in a sentence... > > could this day GET any BETTER? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Whoa - hold it there Curtis baby. > > > > "Prides in being able to understand deeply" doesn't meant Robin has any > > means of determining of who you are, where you are coming from when he > has > > never met you, he isn't claiming any supernatural powers. He is open in > any > > conflict, any situation to be open, sincere, willing to let reality alter > > his subjectivity as evidenced by, as you say, 100's of hours of > > conversation. > > > > Please stop spinning your web of deception - your Curtis Reality of > things. > > > > Is this all you have - ad hominem attacks, accusing Judy of lacking > > emotional IQ - you and Barry are the perfect examples of lacking > Emotional > > Intelligence. But of course you are better than Barry who I believe has > > psychological issues as well. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM, curtisdeltablues < > > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow > it, or > > > you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for > Robin. > > > > > > Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to understand people > > > deeply, and in fact elevates his personal opinions to being much more > than > > > that, to being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, is by > your > > > narrative... > > > > > > a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and seemingly > > > pathologically devious person in the context of hundreds of hours of > > > conversations on FFL and in emails. > > > > > > In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's friendship > in > > > the beginning, until Robin decided that his judgements about me were > more > > > important to him than his friendship with me. And I am not really sure > > > which of the many judgements he has laid on me since the falling out > is the > > > real reason, if there is only one, that caused him to make that > choice. It > > > is this area that you have been idiotically speculating about under the > > > guise of catching me lying, while completely oblivious to the effect of > > > your agenda on the very person you profess to shed tears for. > > > > > > Pretty funny huh Judy? > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > >> Whoa - hold it there Curtis baby. >> >> "Prides in being able to understand deeply" doesn't meant Robin has any >> means of determining of who you are, where you are coming from when he has >> never met you, he isn't claiming any supernatural powers. He is open in any >> conflict, any situation to be open, sincere, willing to let reality alter >> his subjectivity as evidenced by, as you say, 100's of hours of >> conversation. >> > > Neither he is then an hapless idiot. And Judy has never implied all this - > so once again the master of deception at work. > OMG, CRT spinning my head..LOL So you are the one implying this and your statement here below is bullshit considering your recent dialogue with Barry. "In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's friendship in the beginning, until Robin decided that his judgements about me were more important to him than his friendship with me" > > >> >> Please stop spinning your web of deception - your Curtis Reality of >> things. >> >> Is this all you have - ad hominem attacks, accusing Judy of lacking >> emotional IQ - you and Barry are the perfect examples of lacking Emotional >> Intelligence. But of course you are better than Barry who I believe has >> psychological issues as well. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM, curtisdeltablues < >> curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow it, >>> or you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for Robin. >>> >>> Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to understand people >>> deeply, and in fact elevates his personal opinions to being much more than >>> that, to being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, is by your >>> narrative... >>> >>> a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and seemingly >>> pathologically devious person in the context of hundreds of hours of >>> conversations on FFL and in emails. >>> >>> In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's friendship >>> in the beginning, until Robin decided that his judgements about me were >>> more important to him than his friendship with me. And I am not really sure >>> which of the many judgements he has laid on me since the falling out is the >>> real reason, if there is only one, that caused him to make that choice. It >>> is this area that you have been idiotically speculating about under the >>> guise of catching me lying, while completely oblivious to the effect of >>> your agenda on the very person you profess to shed tears for. >>> >>> Pretty funny huh Judy? >>> >>> >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > Whoa - hold it there Curtis baby. > > "Prides in being able to understand deeply" doesn't meant Robin has any > means of determining of who you are, where you are coming from when he has > never met you, he isn't claiming any supernatural powers. He is open in any > conflict, any situation to be open, sincere, willing to let reality alter > his subjectivity as evidenced by, as you say, 100's of hours of > conversation. > Neither he is then an hapless idiot. And Judy has never implied all this - so once again the master of deception at work. > > Please stop spinning your web of deception - your Curtis Reality of things. > > Is this all you have - ad hominem attacks, accusing Judy of lacking > emotional IQ - you and Barry are the perfect examples of lacking Emotional > Intelligence. But of course you are better than Barry who I believe has > psychological issues as well. > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM, curtisdeltablues < > curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow it, >> or you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for Robin. >> >> Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to understand people >> deeply, and in fact elevates his personal opinions to being much more than >> that, to being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, is by your >> narrative... >> >> a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and seemingly >> pathologically devious person in the context of hundreds of hours of >> conversations on FFL and in emails. >> >> In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's friendship in >> the beginning, until Robin decided that his judgements about me were more >> important to him than his friendship with me. And I am not really sure >> which of the many judgements he has laid on me since the falling out is the >> real reason, if there is only one, that caused him to make that choice. It >> is this area that you have been idiotically speculating about under the >> guise of catching me lying, while completely oblivious to the effect of >> your agenda on the very person you profess to shed tears for. >> >> Pretty funny huh Judy? >> >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My objections to the Judy routine, was parsing a la Descartes
Whoa - hold it there Curtis baby. "Prides in being able to understand deeply" doesn't meant Robin has any means of determining of who you are, where you are coming from when he has never met you, he isn't claiming any supernatural powers. He is open in any conflict, any situation to be open, sincere, willing to let reality alter his subjectivity as evidenced by, as you say, 100's of hours of conversation. Please stop spinning your web of deception - your Curtis Reality of things. Is this all you have - ad hominem attacks, accusing Judy of lacking emotional IQ - you and Barry are the perfect examples of lacking Emotional Intelligence. But of course you are better than Barry who I believe has psychological issues as well. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Oh that. Well I know that you don't have the emotional IQ to follow it, or > you wouldn't have set yourself up this way. So I'll write this for Robin. > > Robin, who kind of prides himself in being able to understand people > deeply, and in fact elevates his personal opinions to being much more than > that, to being able to detect who is more aligned with REALITY, is by your > narrative... > > a hapless idiot who got played by an insincere and seemingly > pathologically devious person in the context of hundreds of hours of > conversations on FFL and in emails. > > In my version we were both sincere in enjoying each other's friendship in > the beginning, until Robin decided that his judgements about me were more > important to him than his friendship with me. And I am not really sure > which of the many judgements he has laid on me since the falling out is the > real reason, if there is only one, that caused him to make that choice. It > is this area that you have been idiotically speculating about under the > guise of catching me lying, while completely oblivious to the effect of > your agenda on the very person you profess to shed tears for. > > Pretty funny huh Judy? > >
