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Judy, I purposefully used very general language in my original post to include homosexuals and transgender individuals though probably neither the Theosophists nor Charlie were thinking of the latter when they spoke about this topic. I think for both groups there is a difference between physical gender and psychological gender. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I think what Charlie Lutes said about previous lives could be applied to anyone with whom there is a difference between their physical gender and their psychological gender. Well, that wouldn't include most homosexuals, but that was how it was originally presented. Perhaps you missed what I wrote to Mike: snip
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Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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Thanks for reposting this, Mike. It makes a lot of sense to me. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictionson gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defenseregulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred frommilitary service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were
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Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.: This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we are actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation. The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy projected onto the Cosmos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time
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Share, I don't think I advocated anything involving *enforcement* of anything. How people choose to live their lives is their choice. Nobody is perfect. I agree with you that life will enforce it's own laws, naturally. We can avoid the suffering before it comes or we can take it as it comes. From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or may not be valid. Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of evolution. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I rememberit( his explanation), we change from one sex to the otherevery three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, thenext change, brings with it, impressions from the previousbirth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I heard something along the lines of: Judaism expresses 75% of natural law Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law Protestantism expresses 25% Had you ever heard these figures? From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or may not be valid. Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of evolution. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂÂ
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I think what Charlie Lutes said about previous lives could be applied to anyone with whom there is a difference between their physical gender and their psychological gender. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. No, that had to do with homosexuals, not transgender individuals. Didn't make any sense for homosexuals, though. Charlie assumed homosexual men had feminine characteristics and homosexual women had masculine characteristics, an old stereotype that doesn't apply anywhere near across the board. And most homosexuals have no desire to be the opposite sex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
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John, welcome back to you too! From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Bob, I didn't realize MM was Jewish and an accountant at that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: I heard: Judaism expresses 75% of natural law Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law Protestantism expresses 25% Islam expresses 14% Darwinism expresses 9%% GAAP (Generally accepted accounting principles) expresses 5% --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long wrote: But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I heard something along the lines of: Judaism expresses 75% of natural law Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law Protestantism expresses 25% Had you ever heard these figures? From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or may not be valid. Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of evolution. From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex
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I never heard any figures of that nature only that he thought the vedic religion was, as he put it, the trunk of the tree and other religions were like branches off the trunk. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I heard something along the lines of:Judaism expresses 75% of natural lawCatholicism expresses 50% of natural lawProtestantism expresses 25%Had you ever heard these figures? From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or may not be valid. Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of evolution. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just
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Suppression by coercion, social or political means is not what I'm referring to, although that has been what is accepted as the norm for centuries. I'm saying religions in general would suggest the suppression, not acting out specific desires, in order to extinguish that karma. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do. I think she was reacting, as I do, to the notion that homosexual activity needs to be suppressed. That's an entirely unnecessary cruelty, which, thankfully, we do appear to be evolving *past*. With regard to Christianity and Judaism, it isn't even clear that the biblical passages cited in support of suppression have been correctly interpreted. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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Doc, Dr. Newton is a counseling psychologist, bestselling author and hypnotherapist whose specialty is research into lives between lives. I've only read his book Destiny of Souls but a dear friend had a session when he was traveling in CA years ago. In bringing up Dr. Newton's work I was addressing Seraphita's idea of Meritocracy being projected onto the cosmos. According to Dr. Newton it is the soul which decides whether to have an easy or more challenging life and evidently the soul often understands the wisdom of either choice. Sometimes an easy life is chosen simply to rest between 2 difficult lives. His book contains dozens of case studies. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Hi Share - This sounds like this guy's fantasy - how can we choose other than what comes next? Also, if a person can always choose the cushy side, what's the downside to that? Is it a hidden test to look for masochistic tendencies? I would rather learn any lessons during a cushy life, than an awful one. Last, I haven't really found a life that didn't contain some hard lessons in it, for each and every one of us. For one thing, no one gets out of here alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist. From: Seraphita s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.: This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we are actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation. The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy projected onto the Cosmos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc
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Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
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But I think she just looks *adorable* in that cute military outfit and that beret is just absolutely stunning, gives her a *touch* of masculinity. I wonder who does her nails. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
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Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
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Might get a little more sympathy from the WH had he chosen Malia or Sasha as his new name. From: fest...@yahoo.com fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I see he wants now to be known as Chelsea. Now there is one fucked-up dude. He should never have been allowed anywhere near classified information, and he shouldn't have leaked it. He broke his oath to the Army. An army without discipline can't function. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Important Notice: Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't fight boys. :-D You forgot that I'm already the fluffer of Barry. It's a complicated act :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhqi6ysY_HQ
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The US military is highly discriminatory. How many blind snipers are there? How many paraplegic Navy SEALS. How many handicapped parking places are marked for tanks?The inhumanity of it! From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and refers to Bradley/Chelsea as she. Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
