Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this?- Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe.- Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain?- Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path.- I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh?- About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
hey s2, not sure exactly Barry has written down there. The thing is, the mention of God seems to have the effect of having him go bat shit crazy. Sounds like a sales clerk made a minor suggestion, giving Barry an opening to run his favorite spiel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this? - Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe. - Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain? - Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path. - I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh? - About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this? - Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe. - Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain? - Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path. - I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh? - About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-) Don't mind bawee, Seraphita, his head still burns from the scorching Edg gave him the other day. He doesn't like it when smarter, much smarter, people than himself dress him down so soundly. That and that picture Jim posted of him is still really, really bugging him. I wonder if bawee's BS will notify him of my post here. Oh yea, bawee doesn't have a BS, he is just full of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
gee Barry, these jokes are sort of, shall I say, lame you really don't have anything better to do, do you? have you considered crossword puzzles, or something? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yet another photo of Richard Williams at Costco. Boring. :-) From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Re So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this is a new cool place to live? This is what happens: http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 11/18/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet, scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere. OK - so organic molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet. Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting interesting. Cool! That's just the sort of thing it was after. Just think, they'll be more than 3.5 billion years old and the very same stuff that we are ultimately made of, sitting on a comet all that time. That's my sense of perspective satisfied for the day. Cheers! And apparently, they think Philae might come back to life when it gets closer to the sun. So maybe there's more.. So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this is a new cool place to live? _
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission. The Philae lander is
just sleeping, not dead. In Monty Python terms, it is not an ex-lander. It's
merely pinin' for the fjords... :-)
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Yes, I agree. Quite an accomplishment. This was a shorter mission, but
extremely exacting. The Cassini mission to Saturn, another undertaking of
similar difficulty, took 30 years from conception to getting the spacecraft to
Saturn, and they also landed a package on Saturn's moon Titan, taking images on
the way down. Cassini has been orbiting Saturn for 10 years, so from drawing
board to today, the mission has taken 40 years out of some people's lives.
Think of it you are a 20-year engineer at the start of the mission, and now you
are 60!
Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA video)
||
|||| Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA ...
This short animation is made up from a sequence of images taken by the Descent
Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) instrument on board ESA's Huygens p...|
|
| View on youtu.be |Preview by Yahoo|
||
Using that information it is possible to extrapolate a more visually appealing
version of the data that may look more like it actually would to the human
eyes. The movie below runs a speeded up version of the descent, approximately 2
minutes go by every second. The rocks on the ground at the end are made of
water ice. The temperature on Titan's surface is about -180 degrees C., so
rocks of ice are very hard.
Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14)
||
|||| Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) This
movie was built thanks to the data collected by ESA's Huygens Descent
Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) on 14 January 2005, during the 147-minutes
...||
| View on youtu.be |Preview by Yahoo|
||
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Xeno,
The scientists are happy that they have accomplished a very intricate
technological feat by keeping the mission on course for 10 years and then
landing a probe on the comet itself.
It would been a great bonus if they could keep the lander alive for a few
months to make more scientific observations.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
They might have a better idea of the possibility if they can locate where it
is. So far they have discovered it was photographed from Rosetta about 15
minutes after it bounced the first time, but have not yet located any
additional images after that time.
Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after its bounce | The
Planetary Society
| |
| | | | Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after it...
This morning ESA released a set of images of the Philae lander taken by the
Rosetta orbiter during -- and after -- the lander's first touchdown. The images
co... | |
| View on planetary.org| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
ESA scientists have stated that Philae may wake up again, when its batteries
are recharged by the sun, to do more work in the near future.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet,
scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built
instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere.OK - so organic
molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet.
Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting
interesting.
#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419 -- #yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid
#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3415260419
#yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3415260419
#yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp #yiv3415260419hd
{color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp #yiv3415260419ads
{margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp .yiv3415260419ad
{padding:0 0;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp .yiv3415260419ad p
{margin:0;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419ygrp-mkp .yiv3415260419ad a
{color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419ygrp-sponsor
#yiv3415260419ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3415260419
#yiv3415260419ygrp-sponsor #yiv3415260419ygrp-lc #yiv3415260419hd {margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3415260419
#yiv3415260419ygrp-sponsor #yiv3415260419ygrp-lc .yiv3415260419ad
{margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3415260419 #yiv3415260419actions
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3415260419
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Re I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission.: Male or female? I hope you dressed appropriately - they are easily moved to tears those scientists. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission. The Philae lander is just sleeping, not dead. In Monty Python terms, it is not an ex-lander. It's merely pinin' for the fjords... :-) From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Yes, I agree. Quite an accomplishment. This was a shorter mission, but extremely exacting. The Cassini mission to Saturn, another undertaking of similar difficulty, took 30 years from conception to getting the spacecraft to Saturn, and they also landed a package on Saturn's moon Titan, taking images on the way down. Cassini has been orbiting Saturn for 10 years, so from drawing board to today, the mission has taken 40 years out of some people's lives. Think of it you are a 20-year engineer at the start of the mission, and now you are 60! Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA video) http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA ... http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q This short animation is made up from a sequence of images taken by the Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) instrument on board ESA's Huygens p... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q Preview by Yahoo Using that information it is possible to extrapolate a more visually appealing version of the data that may look more like it actually would to the human eyes. The movie below runs a speeded up version of the descent, approximately 2 minutes go by every second. The rocks on the ground at the end are made of water ice. The temperature on Titan's surface is about -180 degrees C., so rocks of ice are very hard. Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc This movie was built thanks to the data collected by ESA's Huygens Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) on 14 January 2005, during the 147-minutes ... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, The scientists are happy that they have accomplished a very intricate technological feat by keeping the mission on course for 10 years and then landing a probe on the comet itself. It would been a great bonus if they could keep the lander alive for a few months to make more scientific observations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : They might have a better idea of the possibility if they can locate where it is. So far they have discovered it was photographed from Rosetta about 15 minutes after it bounced the first time, but have not yet located any additional images after that time. Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after its bounce | The Planetary Society http://planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/11171502-rosetta-imaged-philae-during.html http://planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/11171502-rosetta-imaged-philae-during.html Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after it... http://planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/11171502-rosetta-imaged-philae-during.html This morning ESA released a set of images of the Philae lander taken by the Rosetta orbiter during -- and after -- the lander's first touchdown. The images co... View on planetary.org http://planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/11171502-rosetta-imaged-philae-during.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : ESA scientists have stated that Philae may wake up again, when its batteries are recharged by the sun, to do more work in the near future. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet, scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere. OK - so organic molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet. Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting interesting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Re I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission.:
Male or female? I hope you dressed appropriately - they are easily moved to
tears those scientists.
Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not. That's more the province of
those who have allowed their emotions to delude them into believing that the
world around them was designed rather than just evolved. :-)
The scientist is male, and quite smart BTW. The Rosetta mission only accounts
for about a quarter of his workload, the rest of his time being spent on
something potentially far more valuable. He's in charge of maintaining the
database tracking all asteroids, meteors, comets, etc. that could potentially
hit the Earth. The size of it gives new meaning to Terra-bytes of data. :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission. The Philae lander is
just sleeping, not dead. In Monty Python terms, it is not an ex-lander. It's
merely pinin' for the fjords... :-)
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Yes, I agree. Quite an accomplishment. This was a shorter mission, but
extremely exacting. The Cassini mission to Saturn, another undertaking of
similar difficulty, took 30 years from conception to getting the spacecraft to
Saturn, and they also landed a package on Saturn's moon Titan, taking images on
the way down. Cassini has been orbiting Saturn for 10 years, so from drawing
board to today, the mission has taken 40 years out of some people's lives.
Think of it you are a 20-year engineer at the start of the mission, and now you
are 60!
Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA video)
| |
| | | | Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA ... This short
animation is made up from a sequence of images taken by the Descent
Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) instrument on board ESA's Huygens p... | |
| View on youtu.be | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
Using that information it is possible to extrapolate a more visually appealing
version of the data that may look more like it actually would to the human
eyes. The movie below runs a speeded up version of the descent, approximately 2
minutes go by every second. The rocks on the ground at the end are made of
water ice. The temperature on Titan's surface is about -180 degrees C., so
rocks of ice are very hard.
Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14)
| |
| | | | Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) This movie was
built thanks to the data collected by ESA's Huygens Descent Imager/Spectral
Radiometer (DISR) on 14 January 2005, during the 147-minutes ... | |
| View on youtu.be | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Xeno,
The scientists are happy that they have accomplished a very intricate
technological feat by keeping the mission on course for 10 years and then
landing a probe on the comet itself.
It would been a great bonus if they could keep the lander alive for a few
months to make more scientific observations.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
They might have a better idea of the possibility if they can locate where it
is. So far they have discovered it was photographed from Rosetta about 15
minutes after it bounced the first time, but have not yet located any
additional images after that time.
Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after its bounce | The
Planetary Society
| |
| | | | Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after it...
This morning ESA released a set of images of the Philae lander taken by the
Rosetta orbiter during -- and after -- the lander's first touchdown. The images
co... | |
| View on planetary.org| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
ESA scientists have stated that Philae may wake up again, when its batteries
are recharged by the sun, to do more work in the near future.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet,
scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built
instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere.OK - so organic
molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet.
Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting
interesting.
#yiv8665145198 #yiv8665145198 -- #yiv8665145198ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid
#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Re Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not.: I was referring to the chap who wore a gaudy shirt which offended some Twitters and so he then had to do a cry-baby routine to show contrition. Haven't you seen the clip? Re allowed their emotions to delude them into believing that the world around them was designed rather than just evolved: I don't think the world *was* designed! My post was referring to the merits of the design argument - it has more force than atheists accept. I'm as coldly objective as your computer. Of course the world is evolving - so consciousness is constantly being surprised; learning from its missteps; and moving on. For Mercy has a human heart, Pity a human face, And Love, the human form divine, And Peace, the human dress. (Blake) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Re I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission.: Male or female? I hope you dressed appropriately - they are easily moved to tears those scientists. Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not. That's more the province of those who have allowed their emotions to delude them into believing that the world around them was designed rather than just evolved. :-) The scientist is male, and quite smart BTW. The Rosetta mission only accounts for about a quarter of his workload, the rest of his time being spent on something potentially far more valuable. He's in charge of maintaining the database tracking all asteroids, meteors, comets, etc. that could potentially hit the Earth. The size of it gives new meaning to Terra-bytes of data. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I had dinner tonight with a member of the Rosetta mission. The Philae lander is just sleeping, not dead. In Monty Python terms, it is not an ex-lander. It's merely pinin' for the fjords... :-) From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Yes, I agree. Quite an accomplishment. This was a shorter mission, but extremely exacting. The Cassini mission to Saturn, another undertaking of similar difficulty, took 30 years from conception to getting the spacecraft to Saturn, and they also landed a package on Saturn's moon Titan, taking images on the way down. Cassini has been orbiting Saturn for 10 years, so from drawing board to today, the mission has taken 40 years out of some people's lives. Think of it you are a 20-year engineer at the start of the mission, and now you are 60! Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA video) http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q Decent into Titan's Atmosphere (Actual NASA ... http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q This short animation is made up from a sequence of images taken by the Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) instrument on board ESA's Huygens p... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/oAn73CQm65Q Preview by Yahoo Using that information it is possible to extrapolate a more visually appealing version of the data that may look more like it actually would to the human eyes. The movie below runs a speeded up version of the descent, approximately 2 minutes go by every second. The rocks on the ground at the end are made of water ice. The temperature on Titan's surface is about -180 degrees C., so rocks of ice are very hard. Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc Huygens: Titan Descent Movie (2005.01.14) http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc This movie was built thanks to the data collected by ESA's Huygens Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) on 14 January 2005, during the 147-minutes ... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/HtYDPj6eFLc Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, The scientists are happy that they have accomplished a very intricate technological feat by keeping the mission on course for 10 years and then landing a probe on the comet itself. It would been a great bonus if they could keep the lander alive for a few months to make more scientific observations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : They might have a better idea of the possibility if they can locate where it is. So far they have discovered it was photographed from Rosetta about 15 minutes after it bounced the first time, but have not yet located any additional images after that time. Rosetta imaged Philae during its descent -- and after its bounce | The Planetary Society http://planetary.org/blogs/emily
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Re Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not.: I was referring to the chap who wore a gaudy shirt which offended some Twitters and so he then had to do a cry-baby routine to show contrition. Haven't you seen the clip? Ah, I get it now. I think it's only German scientists who are that emotionally fragile. This guy is British, and would have told anyone complaining about his choice of clothing to go fuck themselves with a cricket bat. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not.: I was referring to the chap who wore a gaudy shirt which offended some Twitters and so he then had to do a cry-baby routine to show contrition. Haven't you seen the clip? Re allowed their emotions to delude them into believing that the world around them was designed rather than just evolved: I don't think the world *was* designed! My post was referring to the merits of the design argument - it has more force than atheists accept. I'm as coldly objective as your computer. Of course the world is evolving - so consciousness is constantly being surprised; learning from its missteps; and moving on. For Mercy has a human heart, Pity a human face, And Love, the human form divine, And Peace, the human dress. (Blake) Seraphita, I fear Blake is lost on bawee. You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules Re Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not.: I was referring to the chap who wore a gaudy shirt which offended some Twitters and so he then had to do a cry-baby routine to show contrition. Haven't you seen the clip? Ah, I get it now. I think it's only German scientists who are that emotionally fragile. This guy is British, and would have told anyone complaining about his choice of clothing to go fuck themselves with a cricket bat. :-) Well he did not. He did this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834451/Philae-comet-probe-scientist-embroiled-sexism-row-shirt-featuring-scantily-clad-women.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834451/Philae-comet-probe-scientist-embroiled-sexism-row-shirt-featuring-scantily-clad-women.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Scientists easily moved to tears? I think not.: I was referring to the chap who wore a gaudy shirt which offended some Twitters and so he then had to do a cry-baby routine to show contrition. Haven't you seen the clip? Re allowed their emotions to delude them into believing that the world around them was designed rather than just evolved: I don't think the world *was* designed! My post was referring to the merits of the design argument - it has more force than atheists accept. I'm as coldly objective as your computer. Of course the world is evolving - so consciousness is constantly being surprised; learning from its missteps; and moving on. For Mercy has a human heart, Pity a human face, And Love, the human form divine, And Peace, the human dress. (Blake) Seraphita, I fear Blake is lost on bawee. You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
On 11/18/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet, scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere. OK - so organic molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet. Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting interesting. Cool! That's just the sort of thing it was after. Just think, they'll be more than 3.5 billion years old and the very same stuff that we are ultimately made of, sitting on a comet all that time. That's my sense of perspective satisfied for the day. Cheers! And apparently, they think Philae might come back to life when it gets closer to the sun. So maybe there's more.. So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this is a new cool place to live? _
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 11/18/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet, scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere. OK - so organic molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet. Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting interesting. Cool! That's just the sort of thing it was after. Just think, they'll be more than 3.5 billion years old and the very same stuff that we are ultimately made of, sitting on a comet all that time. That's my sense of perspective satisfied for the day. Cheers! And apparently, they think Philae might come back to life when it gets closer to the sun. So maybe there's more.. So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this is a new cool place to live? _ We're only talking the building blocks, assemblages of atoms not actual life. Left to their own devices somewhere nice and warm for a few hundred million years and they might make it to bacterial levels of complexity. Or they might not. But they definitely did it here or we wouldn't be having this conversation. Cool stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 11/18/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : The Philae lander has detected organic molecules on the surface of its comet, scientists have confirmed. The compounds were picked up by a German-built instrument designed to sniff the comet's thin atmosphere. OK - so organic molecules aren't life as we know it, but they were found on a measly comet. Pity we've lost the phone connection - just when the conversation was getting interesting. Cool! That's just the sort of thing it was after. Just think, they'll be more than 3.5 billion years old and the very same stuff that we are ultimately made of, sitting on a comet all that time. That's my sense of perspective satisfied for the day. Cheers! And apparently, they think Philae might come back to life when it gets closer to the sun. So maybe there's more.. So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this is a new cool place to live? McDonalds gets a new addition, to their dollar menu? _
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Yet another photo of Richard Williams at Costco. Boring. :-)
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
Re So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in it hits
the earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphere and decides this
is a new cool place to live?
This is what happens:
http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd
||
|||| http://tinyurl.com/pv8bsxd ||
| View on tinyurl.com |Preview by Yahoo|
||
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 11/18/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@...wrote :
The Philaelander has detected organic molecules on thesurface of its comet,
scientists have confirmed. The compounds werepicked up by a German-built
instrument designed tosniff the comet's thin atmosphere.OK - so
organicmolecules aren't life as we know it, but they werefound on a measly
comet. Pity we've lost the phoneconnection - just when the conversation
wasgetting interesting.Cool! That'sjust the sort of thing it was after. Just
think,they'll be more than 3.5 billion years old and thevery same stuff that we
are ultimately made of,sitting on a comet all that time. That's my sense
ofperspective satisfied for the day. Cheers!
And apparently, they think Philae might comeback to life when it gets closer to
the sun. Somaybe there's more..
So what happens when a chunk of a comet with some molecules in ithits the
earth, is able to survive the entrance to the atmosphereand decides this is a
new cool place to live?_
#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594 -- #yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid
#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp #yiv7862680594hd
{color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp #yiv7862680594ads
{margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp .yiv7862680594ad
{padding:0 0;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp .yiv7862680594ad p
{margin:0;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594ygrp-mkp .yiv7862680594ad a
{color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7862680594ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594ygrp-sponsor #yiv7862680594ygrp-lc #yiv7862680594hd {margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594ygrp-sponsor #yiv7862680594ygrp-lc .yiv7862680594ad
{margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594actions
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594activity
{background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv7862680594
#yiv7862680594activity span:first-child
{text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594activity span a
{color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594activity span
span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv7862680594 #yiv7862680594activity span
.yiv7862680594underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7862680594
.yiv7862680594attach
{clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}#yiv7862680594 .yiv7862680594attach div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 .yiv7862680594attach img
{border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7862680594 .yiv7862680594attach label
{display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv7862680594 .yiv7862680594attach label a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 blockquote {margin:0 0 0
4px;}#yiv7862680594 .yiv7862680594bold
{font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv7862680594
.yiv7862680594bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 dd.yiv7862680594last
p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7862680594 dd.yiv7862680594last p
span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7862680594
dd.yiv7862680594last p span.yiv7862680594yshortcuts
{margin-right:0;}#yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594attach-table div div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594attach-table
{width:400px;}#yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594file-title a, #yiv7862680594
div.yiv7862680594file-title a:active, #yiv7862680594
div.yiv7862680594file-title a:hover, #yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594file-title
a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594photo-title a,
#yiv7862680594 div.yiv7862680594photo-title a:active, #yiv7862680594
div.yiv7862680594photo-title a:hover, #yiv7862680594
div.yiv7862680594photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7862680594
div#yiv7862680594ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7862680594ygrp-msg p a
span.yiv7862680594yshortcuts
