Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread anartaxius
I have a fireplace, and sometimes burn wood, but unless a fireplace designed 
for heating a room is installed, it does not make much difference to the 
heating bill. In addition I have to buy wood. There are lots of trees around 
but they are either on other's property, in parks, or in open space set aside 
by conservation groups. Smog is not a problem where I live.
 

 The disconnexion between the me and the world is always an interesting 
experience, sometimes like the Berlin Wall, but some day it should go. When it 
went for me, I did not realise what had happened for decades, I thought that I 
was basically back to square one when all experiences evaporated. My attention 
turned outward and for most of that period, my interest in reading and engaging 
in 'spiritual' things, etc., pretty much vanished. And then one day I realised 
that gap between inner and outer really was never there in the first place, and 
it took another five or so years to get comfortable with that understanding. 
 

 The 'understanding' is just an overlay on experience that eventually lets the 
mind feel settled in what's going on. Because of my particular upbringing and 
entry in spirituality was very tangential to religion, my experiences tended to 
not be coloured with religious overtones. For example if you read what Buck is 
writing (or copying) these days, you can see his understanding is steeped in 
religious soup. But, in fact, spiritual experience is ultimately undefined, and 
so even as M said, you can see it in the light of anything, and ones' 
individual preferences and peccadilloes will shape the understanding that 
evolves. An understanding has to evolve to feel settled in this because 
whatever understanding one has prior to this is blown out of the water. Advice 
from others is helpful, but basically you are on your own in the end stages and 
it is up to you how you co-ordinate your experience and understanding, for now 
you have realised what the illusion you were operating under was, what the hoax 
was.
 

 Here (from Wikipedia) is the tale of the awakening of St. Thomas, the 'doctor' 
of the Catholic Church:
 

 In 1272 Thomas took leave from the University of Paris when the Dominicans 
from his home province called upon him to establish a studium generale wherever 
he liked and staff it as he pleased. He chose to establish the institution in 
Naples, and moved there to take his post as regent master. He took his time at 
Naples to work on the third part of the Summa while giving lectures on various 
religious topics. On 6 December 1273 at the Dominican convent of Naples in the 
Chapel of Saint Nicholas after Matins Thomas lingered and was seen by the 
sacristan Domenic of Caserta to be levitating in prayer with tears before an 
icon of the crucified Christ. Christ said to Thomas, You have written well of 
me, Thomas. What reward would you have for your labor? Thomas responded, 
Nothing but you, Lord.  After this exchange something happened, but Thomas 
never spoke of it or wrote it down. Because of what he saw, he abandoned his 
routine and refused to dictate to his socius Reginald of Piperno. When Reginald 
begged him to get back to work, Thomas replied: Reginald, I cannot, because 
all that I have written seems like straw to me (mihi videtur ut palea). What 
exactly triggered Thomas's change in behavior is believed by Catholics to have 
been some kind of supernatural experience of God.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

 Do you have Spare the Air days back there?  We get them here in California 
and now they are irritating people because they can't burn in their fireplace 
to make up for the unusually cold weather.  If they do burn then they are 
subject to a fine.  A little wind usually calls it off though.
 
 Thing is I find it hard to tell people that my experiences these days is the 
world is out there and somehow disconnected from me.  This is not a 
dis-associative situation because when I need to engage with the world there is 
no problem.  I call localization on demand.  Otherwise it is line on water 
and it would be so cool if everyone else at least experienced this.
  
 On 01/22/2014 02:50 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote:
 
   Bhairitu wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 'There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.'
 
 
 
 
 
 
 'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems no 
longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite are trying to hold on to 
these antiquated systems.  Time for them to move over and get out of the way 
since they are a real drag on society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of 
silence helps to observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or 
laugh at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums I'm on 
the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the forest for the trees. 
 Folks here, not so 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread Share Long
Xeno, as usual all I can do is say thank you for this post; for the story of 
St. Thomas; for using the word 

peccadilloes so pertinently; for conveying how even wood and smog are topics 
and even realities that are suffused with what I'm calling Beingness. Stay 
warm...

It was minus 5 when I went to the Dome and 4 above when I got out. Amazing what 
a difference 9 degrees can make!




On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:32 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I have a fireplace, and sometimes burn wood, but unless a fireplace designed 
for heating a room is installed, it does not make much difference to the 
heating bill. In addition I have to buy wood. There are lots of trees around 
but they are either on other's property, in parks, or in open space set aside 
by conservation groups. Smog is not a problem where I live.

The disconnexion between the me and the world is always an interesting 
experience, sometimes like the Berlin Wall, but some day it should go. When it 
went for me, I did not realise what had happened for decades, I thought that I 
was basically back to square one when all experiences evaporated. My attention 
turned outward and for most of that period, my interest in reading and engaging 
in 'spiritual' things, etc., pretty much vanished. And then one day I realised 
that gap between inner and outer really was never there in the first place, and 
it took another five or so years to get comfortable with that understanding. 

The 'understanding' is just an overlay on experience that eventually lets the 
mind feel settled in what's going on. Because of my particular upbringing and 
entry in spirituality was very tangential to religion, my experiences tended to 
not be coloured with religious overtones. For example if you read what Buck is 
writing (or copying) these days, you can see his understanding is steeped in 
religious soup. But, in fact, spiritual experience is ultimately undefined, and 
so even as M said, you can see it in the light of anything, and ones' 
individual preferences and peccadilloes will shape the understanding that 
evolves. An understanding has to evolve to feel settled in this because 
whatever understanding one has prior to this is blown out of the water. Advice 
from others is helpful, but basically you are on your own in the end stages and 
it is up to you how you co-ordinate your experience and understanding, for now 
you have realised what the illusion you
 were operating under was, what the hoax was.

Here (from Wikipedia) is the tale of the awakening of St. Thomas, the 'doctor' 
of the Catholic Church:

In 1272 Thomas took leave from the University of Paris when the Dominicans from 
his home province called upon him to establish a studium generale wherever he 
liked and staff it as he pleased. He chose to establish the institution in 
Naples, and moved there to take his post as regent master. He took his time at 
Naples to work on the third part of the Summa while giving lectures on various 
religious topics. On 6 December 1273 at the Dominican convent of Naples in the 
Chapel of Saint Nicholas after Matins Thomas lingered and was seen by the 
sacristan Domenic of Caserta to be levitating in prayer with tears before an 
icon of the crucified Christ. Christ said to Thomas, You have written well of 
me, Thomas. What reward would you have for your labor? Thomas responded, 
Nothing but you, Lord.  After this exchange something happened, but Thomas 
never spoke of it or wrote it down. Because of what he saw, he abandoned his 
routine and refused to dictate to his
 socius Reginald of Piperno. When Reginald begged him to get back to work, 
Thomas replied: Reginald, I cannot, because all that I have written seems like 
straw to me (mihi videtur ut palea). What exactly triggered Thomas's change in 
behavior is believed by Catholics to have been some kind of supernatural 
experience of God.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:


Do you have Spare the Air days back there?  We get them here in California 
and now they are irritating people because they can't burn in their fireplace 
to make up for the unusually cold weather.  If they do burn then they are 
subject to a fine.  A little wind usually calls it off though.

Thing is I find it hard to tell people that my experiences these
  days is the world is out there and somehow disconnected from
  me.  This is not a dis-associative situation because when I need
  to engage with the world there is no problem.  I call
  localization on demand.  Otherwise it is line on water and it
  would be so cool if everyone else at least experienced this.
 

On 01/22/2014 02:50 PM, anartaxius@... wrote:

  
Bhairitu wrote:
'There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.'


'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems no 
longer work and the unenlightened 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Xeno, as usual all I can do is say thank you for this post; for the story of 
St. Thomas; for using the word 
 peccadilloes so pertinently; for conveying how even wood and smog are topics 
and even realities that are suffused with what I'm calling Beingness. Stay 
warm...
 

 It was minus 5 when I went to the Dome and 4 above when I got out. Amazing 
what a difference 9 degrees can make!

 
 
 On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:32 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
   I have a fireplace, and sometimes burn wood, but unless a fireplace designed 
for heating a room is installed, it does not make much difference to the 
heating bill. In addition I have to buy wood. There are lots of trees around 
but they are either on other's property, in parks, or in open space set aside 
by conservation groups. Smog is not a problem where I live.
 

 The disconnexion between the me and the world is always an interesting 
experience, sometimes like the Berlin Wall, but some day it should go. When it 
went for me, I did not realise what had happened for decades, I thought that I 
was basically back to square one when all experiences evaporated. My attention 
turned outward and for most of that period, my interest in reading and engaging 
in 'spiritual' things, etc., pretty much vanished. And then one day I realised 
that gap between inner and outer really was never there in the first place, and 
it took another five or so years to get comfortable with that understanding. 
 

 The 'understanding' is just an overlay on experience that eventually lets the 
mind feel settled in what's going on. Because of my particular upbringing and 
entry in spirituality was very tangential to religion, my experiences tended to 
not be coloured with religious overtones. For example if you read what Buck is 
writing (or copying) these days, you can see his understanding is steeped in 
religious soup. But, in fact, spiritual experience is ultimately undefined, and 
so even as M said, you can see it in the light of anything, and ones' 
individual preferences and peccadilloes will shape the understanding that 
evolves. An understanding has to evolve to feel settled in this because 
whatever understanding one has prior to this is blown out of the water. Advice 
from others is helpful, but basically you are on your own in the end stages and 
it is up to you how you co-ordinate your experience and understanding, for now 
you have realised what the illusion you were operating under was, what the hoax 
was.
 

 Precisely, this is the point I am trying to make. The point being that 
spiritual experiences do not stand alone or isolated. They are not separate 
from the rest of what goes on in my day. Maybe I am the only one here who feels 
this. What would that mean? Perhaps when one tries to explain what one feels it 
is impossible to do so in words or in a manner that anyone else can understand. 
It is all just experience, it is all miraculous (for me), experiences are not 
defined in my mind as either spiritual or not. Some here seem to think 
spiritual has to mean things like: great bliss, effortlessness, feeling energy 
from being in the presence of 'saints' or from meditational practices, feeling 
detached and unmoved by activity, experiencing that one is part of everything 
else etc. etc. These things aren't spiritual, they're just stuff happening. If 
you can't be moved, amazed and blown away by the the seemingly simplest thing 
then you aren't getting it. And reading about this stuff in books is a piss 
poor way to live it.
 

 Here (from Wikipedia) is the tale of the awakening of St. Thomas, the 'doctor' 
of the Catholic Church:
 

 In 1272 Thomas took leave from the University of Paris when the Dominicans 
from his home province called upon him to establish a studium generale wherever 
he liked and staff it as he pleased. He chose to establish the institution in 
Naples, and moved there to take his post as regent master. He took his time at 
Naples to work on the third part of the Summa while giving lectures on various 
religious topics. On 6 December 1273 at the Dominican convent of Naples in the 
Chapel of Saint Nicholas after Matins Thomas lingered and was seen by the 
sacristan Domenic of Caserta to be levitating in prayer with tears before an 
icon of the crucified Christ. Christ said to Thomas, You have written well of 
me, Thomas. What reward would you have for your labor? Thomas responded, 
Nothing but you, Lord.  After this exchange something happened, but Thomas 
never spoke of it or wrote it down. Because of what he saw, he abandoned his 
routine and refused to dictate to his socius Reginald of Piperno. When Reginald 
begged him to get back to work, Thomas replied: Reginald, I cannot, because 
all that I have written seems like straw to me (mihi videtur ut palea). What 
exactly triggered Thomas's change in behavior is believed by Catholics to have 
been some 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread authfriend
FWIW, Thomas's awakening happened only three months before he died at the age 
of 49, so he didn't get much chance to enjoy it.
 
  Xeno, as usual all I can do is say thank you for this post; for the story 
of St. Thomas 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread anartaxius
Yeah. Eventually the distinction between spiritual and not-spiritual just goes 
away. But you do have to pay some attention to what you do because nature does 
what it does. For example, walking behind a horse might inspire a little more 
caution than usual.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Precisely, this 
is the point I am trying to make. The point being that spiritual experiences 
do not stand alone or isolated. They are not separate from the rest of what 
goes on in my day. Maybe I am the only one here who feels this. What would that 
mean? Perhaps when one tries to explain what one feels it is impossible to do 
so in words or in a manner that anyone else can understand. It is all just 
experience, it is all miraculous (for me), experiences are not defined in my 
mind as either spiritual or not. Some here seem to think spiritual has to mean 
things like: great bliss, effortlessness, feeling energy from being in the 
presence of 'saints' or from meditational practices, feeling detached and 
unmoved by activity, experiencing that one is part of everything else etc. etc. 
These things aren't spiritual, they're just stuff happening. If you can't be 
moved, amazed and blown away by the the seemingly simplest thing then you 
aren't getting it. And reading about this stuff in books is a piss poor way 
to live it.
 

 






 
 
 
 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-23 Thread Bhairitu
There are over 1500 FFL members who are good at expressing their 
experience of silence on this board. :-D


On 01/22/2014 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

 On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  */But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have
  on a daily basis. /*

 Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag 
about them?


 Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

*/Interestingly, teachers in the past have never shirked from the 
basically impossible task of trying to express silence. Some have done 
it quite eloquently, like the Zen masters and poets of Japan, who 
managed to turn the subjective experience of silence into high art.

/*
 Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
 about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
 political events. Or the weather. Or food. Or football..

*/Perhaps they'd rather not even try, out of fear of not being able to 
convey their experience in a way that could touch another human being 
and possibly inspire them.

/*






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Share Long
noozguru, I've heard that where the wind is really strong all the time, the 
trees send their roots deep, deep, deep into the earth. I feel like one of 
those trees and I feel really really really lucky. I wish everyone could be so 
blessed...





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:45 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.

I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old
  systems no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite
  are trying to hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them
  to move over and get out of the way since they are a real drag on
  society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of silence helps to
  observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or laugh
  at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums
  I'm on the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the
  forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is
  a sign of evolution.
 
On 01/22/2014 12:42 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever 
else it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or 
sports. I just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality 
in action! imho (-:






On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic
enough to want to brag about them?

Or do you really want to read a bunch of
noise about silence? :-D 

Perhaps those who are experiencing
enlightenment would like to talk about
the application of that such as
perceptions of global or local political
events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or
football..  







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread anartaxius
Bhairitu wrote:





 'There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.'


 



 'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems no 
longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite are trying to hold on to 
these antiquated systems.  Time for them to move over and get out of the way 
since they are a real drag on society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of 
silence helps to observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or 
laugh at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums I'm on 
the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the forest for the trees. 
 Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is a sign of evolution.'


 I am finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I seek to find 
ways to understand what I am experiencing, and sometimes I have a desire for 
more information. Almost all my 'spiritual' experiences occured early on, in 
the years before I learned TM, and in a few years following that learning. Then 
things began to flatten out for long periods; in fact it often seemed like 
experience was sometimes going in reverse.
 

 But them the realisation came that it is not the experiences that were 
important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature of experience itself and 
at that juncture, the seeking stopped. I just watched a science fiction movie 
on Netflix. Now I am in my office and there is a single lamp on a lampstand 
pointing at the ceiling. This is the only light source in my office that is on. 
Just light shining on the wall and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of 
a movie, but it is just as fascinating as the movie. This seems to be simply 
because it is the nature of experience itself, it exists, it changes. It is a 
beautifully strange, unlocated silence that strings together these ordinary 
pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that there is something 
beyond this.
 

 In the beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that spiritual life 
was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere of living. But as time has passed, 
that no longer holds. What I called transcendent in the beginning has become 
immanence, it is no longer something out of sight or mind. 'Transcendence' now 
sounds ludicrous and bizarre. It was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no 
longer means anything at all.
 

 If I am meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on my desk 
(it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it is pretty much the same 
thing. It was not the specific content that was going on that I was seeking all 
those years, it was just the plain fact that something was going on. It took 
decades to finally get this. All that intellectual filigree and nit picking 
about spiritual concepts and how this related to that was all a smoke screen 
for something much more obvious, that existence is, and that is that. End of 
question.
 

 Trying to describe this quality of experience is challenging because there is 
nothing extraordinary about it, and this is my second best shot at it. I wrote 
and hit enter, and the cursor was probably out of the box, and Neo trashed the 
whole thing I wrote. So this is an attempt to reclaim a previous inspiration, 
and it is like reheated food. A certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut 
and paste this into Neo from a text editor.
 

 I really do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not boring, but for 
someone who is still looking for them, it might seem to be a rather austere way 
to experience life. If I feel tired, I am tired, sometimes I am blissful, and 
sometimes not. I am not looking to be happy or avoid happiness. I am not 
looking to be sad or avoid sadness. If it comes that way, that is what I 
experience. It is a peculiar quality to not anticipate things much at all. 
United States Federal and local state taxes are do, so I do have to think about 
future events, a certain amount of planning is required to get through a year, 
and then another year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine scenarios that 
could be frantic, such as economic collapse etc.
 

 As for chopping wood and carrying water, it's easier now. An electric pump 
brings water into the house, and there is some wood in the garage, but someone 
else chopped it (probably with a machine). So I just have to turn on the 
faucet, but I do have to carry wood into the house, but it is for ambience, the 
oil boiler does the real job of heating.
 

 Now it's time for me to sit quietly and do nothing, which I do from time to 
time. Formal quiet time, on my own schedule, not at someone else's urging. I am 
not coordinating with anyone (I am ignoring Buck, that is to say).


 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Bhairitu
Do you have Spare the Air days back there?  We get them here in 
California and now they are irritating people because they can't burn in 
their fireplace to make up for the unusually cold weather.  If they do 
burn then they are subject to a fine.  A little wind usually calls it 
off though.


Thing is I find it hard to tell people that my experiences these days is 
the world is out there and somehow disconnected from me.  This is 
not a dis-associative situation because when I need to engage with the 
world there is no problem.  I call localization on demand.  Otherwise 
it is line on water and it would be so cool if everyone else *at least* 
experienced this.


On 01/22/2014 02:50 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Bhairitu wrote:


'There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and
carry water and after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.'

'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old
systems no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite
are trying to hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them
to move over and get out of the way since they are a real drag on
society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of silence helps to
observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or laugh
at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums
I'm on the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the
forest for the trees. Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is
a sign of evolution.'

I am finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I seek 
to find ways to understand what I am experiencing, and sometimes I 
have a desire for more information. Almost all my 'spiritual' 
experiences occured early on, in the years before I learned TM, and in 
a few years following that learning. Then things began to flatten out 
for long periods; in fact it often seemed like experience was 
sometimes going in reverse.


But them the realisation came that it is not the experiences that were 
important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature of experience 
itself and at that juncture, the seeking stopped. I just watched a 
science fiction movie on Netflix. Now I am in my office and there is a 
single lamp on a lampstand pointing at the ceiling. This is the only 
light source in my office that is on. Just light shining on the wall 
and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of a movie, but it is 
just as fascinating as the movie. This seems to be simply because it 
is the nature of experience itself, it exists, it changes. It is a 
beautifully strange, unlocated silence that strings together these 
ordinary pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that 
there is something beyond this.


In the beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that 
spiritual life was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere of living. 
But as time has passed, that no longer holds. What I called 
transcendent in the beginning has become immanence, it is no longer 
something out of sight or mind. 'Transcendence' now sounds ludicrous 
and bizarre. It was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no longer 
means anything at all.


If I am meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on my 
desk (it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it is pretty much 
the same thing. It was not the specific content that was going on that 
I was seeking all those years, it was just the plain fact that 
something was going on. It took decades to finally get this. All that 
intellectual filigree and nit picking about spiritual concepts and how 
this related to that was all a smoke screen for something much more 
obvious, that existence is, and that is that. End of question.


Trying to describe this quality of experience is challenging because 
there is nothing extraordinary about it, and this is my second best 
shot at it. I wrote and hit enter, and the cursor was probably out of 
the box, and Neo trashed the whole thing I wrote. So this is an 
attempt to reclaim a previous inspiration, and it is like reheated 
food. A certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut and paste this 
into Neo from a text editor.


I really do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not boring, 
but for someone who is still looking for them, it might seem to be a 
rather austere way to experience life. If I feel tired, I am tired, 
sometimes I am blissful, and sometimes not. I am not looking to be 
happy or avoid happiness. I am not looking to be sad or avoid sadness. 
If it comes that way, that is what I experience. It is a peculiar 
quality to not anticipate things much at all. United States Federal 
and local state taxes are do, so I do have to think about future 
events, a certain amount of planning is required to get through a 
year, and then another year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine 
scenarios that could be frantic, such as economic collapse etc.


As for chopping wood and carrying 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Michael Jackson
I got such a good laugh out of the I am ignoring Buck part!

On Wed, 1/22/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual 
Experience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 10:50 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Bhairitu
 wrote:'There's
 that old saw: before
   enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and after
   enlightenment you copy wood and carry
 water.'
 'I
 find it interesting to watch the world falling apart. 
 Our old
   systems no longer work and the unenlightened
 materialistic elite
   are trying to hold on to these antiquated
 systems.  Time for them
   to move over and get out of the way since they are a
 real drag on
   society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of
 silence helps to
   observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them
 off (or laugh
   at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the
 political forums
   I'm on the posters really get hung up in the
 minutia missing the
   forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so
 much.  That in itself is
   a sign of
 evolution.'I am
 finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I
 seek to find ways to understand what I am experiencing, and
 sometimes I have a desire for more information. Almost all
 my 'spiritual' experiences occured early on, in the
 years before I learned TM, and in a few years following that
 learning. Then things began to flatten out for long periods;
 in fact it often seemed like experience was sometimes going
 in reverse.
 But them
 the realisation came that it is not the experiences that
 were important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature
 of experience itself and at that juncture, the seeking
 stopped. I just watched a science fiction movie on Netflix.
 Now I am in my office and there is a single lamp on a
 lampstand pointing at the ceiling. This is the only light
 source in my office that is on. Just light shining on the
 wall and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of a
 movie, but it is just as fascinating as the movie. This
 seems to be simply because it is the nature of experience
 itself, it exists, it changes. It is a beautifully strange,
 unlocated silence that strings together these ordinary
 pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that
 there is something beyond this.
 In the
 beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that
 spiritual life was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere
 of living. But as time has passed, that no longer holds.
 What I called transcendent in the beginning has become
 immanence, it is no longer something out of sight or mind.
 'Transcendence' now sounds ludicrous and bizarre. It
 was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no longer means
 anything at all.
 If I am
 meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on
 my desk (it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it
 is pretty much the same thing. It was not the specific
 content that was going on that I was seeking all those
 years, it was just the plain fact that something was going
 on. It took decades to finally get this. All that
 intellectual filigree and nit picking about spiritual
 concepts and how this related to that was all a smoke screen
 for something much more obvious, that existence is, and that
 is that. End of question.
 Trying
 to describe this quality of experience is challenging
 because there is nothing extraordinary about it, and this is
 my second best shot at it. I wrote and hit enter, and the
 cursor was probably out of the box, and Neo trashed the
 whole thing I wrote. So this is an attempt to reclaim a
 previous inspiration, and it is like reheated food. A
 certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut and paste this
 into Neo from a text editor.
 I really
 do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not
 boring, but for someone who is still looking for them, it
 might seem to be a rather austere way to experience life. If
 I feel tired, I am tired, sometimes I am blissful, and
 sometimes not. I am not looking to be happy or avoid
 happiness. I am not looking to be sad or avoid sadness. If
 it comes that way, that is what I experience. It is a
 peculiar quality to not anticipate things much at all.
 United States Federal and local state taxes are do, so I do
 have to think about future events, a certain amount of
 planning is required to get through a year, and then another
 year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine scenarios
 that could be frantic, such as economic collapse
 etc.
 As for
 chopping wood and carrying water, it's easier now. An
 electric pump brings water into the house, and there is some
 wood in the garage, but someone else chopped it (probably
 with a machine). So I just have to turn on the faucet, but I
 do have to carry wood into the house

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 1/22/2014 1:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

BTW, Barry, how's your novel about the Cathars coming along?


Barry doesn't want to talk about the Cathars because he is afraid 
someone might bring up the Gnostics. Hopefully Barry learned a few 
things about the Cathars from Kater and Klaus Schilling. Apparently 
Barry didn't realize that the Cathars are related to the Bogumils which 
are are derived from the Paulicans; the Paulicans from Manicheans and 
Manicheans from Gnostics. Thus Cathars are derived from Gnostics. 
Moggers can understand this simple fact, 'cletantra can't. Go figure.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Share Long
turq, I woke up the other morning feeling extra grateful and actually thoughts 
running that enumerated for what: my comfy bed and warm room, the sunshine of 
the previous day, being alive, etc. I think of this as a spiritual experience. 
Hope you have a sweet afternoon and evening.





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on why 
I suspect they didn't. It's all about content. 

If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over 
statistics that show that the websites that get the most hits are all about 
either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) 
or aggregating Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). 
Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and 
since the world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most 
of the creative energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that 
actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, 
and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of this 
fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and regurgitate it. The 
only real creativity displayed by these sites is in their Subject lines, 
which are carefully crafted to
 entice people to click on them and thus register another hit. 

Suffice it to say that there is a class war going on between these content 
disseminators and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
and thus become content creators. To be honest, there are some sites like 
Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content 
creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation 
of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their content 
articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with 
snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are 
*businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business model 
will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to 
redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original 
content. 

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are just 
caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many hits 
as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think of 
anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong 
lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like 
the more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something 
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it. 

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called spiritual talk forums. Pay 
attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this. *Most* 
of what you read on such forums consists of stories about spiritual teachers or 
saints that in many cases the person writing *never even met*, or 
regurgitated writings from so-called scriptures or books written about 
(rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally someone posts a personal 
experience story, but even then the events being written about tend to be set 
far in the past -- people write about some great experience they supposedly had 
twenty or thirty years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher. 

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these forums don't 
*HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 

Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was trying to rap 
about the high that you can get from writing creatively, and in a spiritual 
context. I was hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of that 
kind of writing, if they had it in them. The lack of response would seem to 
indicate that -- sadly -- most folks here *don't* have it in them. 

So I'll try again, as is my wont in a bit more in-your-face manner. :-)

What's up with having paid your spiritual dues for twenty to forty years and 
*having nothing to say about your everyday spiritual life*? Doesn't that strike 
you as more than a little SAD? Is the only source of inspiration in your life 
stories from 20-30 years ago, or stories that you read in some scripture or 
book about someone you never even *met*? 

As for *arguing* about these things, give me a break. How can anyone consider 
someone who never *met* a certain spiritual teacher authoritative about what 
he or she taught? That's like 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Michael Jackson
Yesterday I read your chapter called Fun from Road Trip Mind - felt more 
Energy than I had with any of the other chapters - felt at peace, felt like 
many of the disappointments from my TM days evaporated. Felt sort of like the 
Universe was having a totally content day through me. It was as near to total 
fulfillment as I have ever had. Got up off the couch after a while, went to see 
my daughter who had just gotten back from a church field trip to North Carolina 
- she, her mom and I spent the evening making and eating brownies, watching Dr. 
Who and the Big Bang Theory. As I left to come back home, I felt as good as I 
have ever felt. This isn't really conveying the real experience, but that's as 
close as I can come.

On Wed, 1/22/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual 
Experience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 8:21 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 Since no one followed up on this
 post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on why I suspect
 they didn't. It's all about content. 
 
 If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably
 have caught wind of a major debate/discussion that's
 been taking place there. Many are concerned over statistics
 that show that the websites that get the most
 hits are all about either searching for Other
 People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or
 aggregating Other
 People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel,
 Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in making money
 from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
 doesn't need more search engines, this means that most
 of the creative energy of developers tends to
 get channeled into sites that actually display no
 creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
 news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take
 advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become
 celebrities and regurgitate it. The only real
 creativity displayed by these sites is in their
 Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people
 to click on them and thus register another hit.
 
 
 Suffice it to say that there is a class war
 going on between these content disseminators and
 the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video),
 and thus become content creators. To be honest,
 there are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few
 others that *do* provide a forum for content creators and
 pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the
 degradation of Huffpost over the last couple of years to
 realize that their content articles are now the minority of
 what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject
 lines are now the majority. And because these sites are
 *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that
 this business model will prevail -- after all, you don't
 have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
 article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original
 content. 
 
 I'm rapping about this because I think there is a
 parallel to this phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps
 it's because people have had their attention spans
 shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's
 because they are just caught in their own narcissistic
 business model and trolling for as many hits as
 they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really
 can't think of anything original and creative to say.
 Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any *original
 content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the
 more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people
 reposting something they found elsewhere, then arguing about
 it. 
 
 Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called
 spiritual talk forums. Pay attention sometime,
 and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this.
 *Most* of what you read on such forums consists of stories
 about spiritual teachers or saints that in many
 cases the person writing *never even met*, or regurgitated
 writings from so-called scriptures or books
 written about (rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally
 someone posts a personal experience story, but
 even then the events being written about tend to be set far
 in the past -- people write about some great experience they
 supposedly had twenty or thirty years ago around some
 supposedly charismatic teacher. 
 
 But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences
 they have on a daily basis. 
 
 Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing
 to these forums don't *HAVE* any here-and-now,
 in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 
 
 Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was
 trying to rap about the high that you can get
 from writing creatively, and in a spiritual context. I was
 hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of
 that kind of writing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
Judy:
 I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual
 experiences but simply not want to write about them on this
 forum.

Let's see, how many times did I ask Barry about what it felt like to
witness Rama's levitation event? That would surely be an earth-shaking
spiritual experience! Instead, Barry writes about French cafes and posts
comments about other people's spiritual experiences. Go figure.

Sometimes I wonder what Barry's spiritual experiences, if any, were really
like, or even if he has thought about them much. Why would a non-believer
even want to talk about a spiritual path or spiritual experience in the
first place? Didn't Barry used to say that these unusual events were just
common everyday experiences, no big deal, a big whoop?


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Barry carefully deleted the rest of what I wrote because it panicked him.
 I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual experiences but
 simply not want to write about them on this forum. A bit of logic that
 interferes with his pronouncements throws Barry for a loop.


 Some experiences are just too delicate and personal to share, for one
 thing. For another, not everyone thinks they're defined by their spiritual
 experiences. Others don't feel the need to inflate their self-image by
 boasting about how evolved they are.


 In any case, Barry reveals below what he really thinks: Not only is
 writing about spiritual experiences a competition in his mind, but such
 writing is subject to actual criticism. No wonder folks don't want to buy
 into that perverted view of spirituality.


 BTW, everything Barry says about me below is factually incorrect, except
 for my not having met Maharishi and not having become a TM teacher (as if
 that would say anything about my spiritual experiences).


 I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others'
 spiritual experiences, he's interested in having something with which to
 browbeat the people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap
 he's hauled out so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments
 demonstrate).

  Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read
 this same rap from you?










 *Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)She
 knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the
 players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and
 well (she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try,
 because that will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides,
 she's afraid to compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not
 win. Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get
 no personal experience stories from her, for what should be obvious
 reasons. The person who tries to present herself as an authority here 1)
 never met Maharishi, 2) never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for
 the TM organization or to spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her
 tiny apartment in New Jersey and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if
 she were able to. In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of
 an angry old woman, lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own
 life in the pursuit of pettiness.Others here probably have stories of their
 actual experiences, because they had some. I look forward to hearing
 them... *

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


*/But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have 
on a daily basis. /*




Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about them?

Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk 
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local 
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
TurquoiseB:
 was trying to rap about the high that you can get from
 writing creatively, and in a spiritual context...

You are going to have to excuse me, Barry, but I must have missed most of
your spiritual writings. Maybe that's because most of the topics you
write about are secular in nature - they don't have anything to do with
seeing or experiencing spirit beings. Unless, you want to be saying that
like Delia, your spiritual path includes everything in the cosmos,
everything that happens on earth - a pantheistic notion. Go figure.

So,let's review what we know about the first historical yogin and his
spiritual experience, and then I'll describe my own.

The Shakya is reported to have said: I call to mind how when the Sakyan my
father was ploughing, I sat in the cool shade of the rose-apple tree,
remote from desires and ill conditions, and entered upon and abode in the
First Musing, that is accompanied by thought directed and sustained, which
is born of solitude, full of zestful ease. And then I said, 'Is this the
Way to the Wisdom?' And on that occasion there came to me the conciousness
that follows thought composed, 'Yes, this is the Way to the Wisdom.' (M.N.
i.242-1)

This is illustrated in the Buddhist scriptures where the Buddha explained
what he had attained at the moment of enlightenment - he attained three
knowledges (vidhya):

1. Insight into his past lives
2. Insight into the workings of Karma and Reincarnation
3. Insight into the Four Noble Truths

Excerpt from The Confessions by Richard J. Williams:

As I began to transcend deeper and deeper into my own mind I experienced a
profound sense of calm; then suddenly in a flash I saw and experienced the
entire existence as a divine bi-unity - all inter-related, just like the
net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all connected. I became
enlightened on the spot through no volition of my own! There, standing
right in front of me, appeared the Intelligent Agent: The Creator Almighty,
Lord of Volcanoes - and His wife, the beautiful Sophia, their son Baal, and
their daughter Ashley. I fully realized at that moment that existence is,
in reality, a great big family affair - we are all related in spirit!


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:





 *Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit
 on why I suspect they didn't. It's all about content. If you worked in
 the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a major
 debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over
 statistics that show that the websites that get the most hits are all
 about either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu,
 Wikipedia) or aggregating *

























 *Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). Since the name
 of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and since the
 world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most of the
 creative energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that
 actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts,
 gossip, and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take
 advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and
 regurgitate it. The only real creativity displayed by these sites is in
 their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people to click
 on them and thus register another hit. Suffice it to say that there is a
 class war going on between these content disseminators and the people
 who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), and thus become content
 creators. To be honest, there are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate,
 and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content creators and pay
 them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation of Huffpost
 over the last couple of years to realize that their content articles are
 now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy
 Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are
 *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business
 model will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of
 anything to redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to
 create original content. I'm rapping about this because I think there is a
 parallel to this phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because
 people have had their attention spans shortened from reading so much fluff,
 perhaps it's because they are just caught in their own narcissistic
 business model and trolling for as many hits as they can rack up, and
 possibly it's because they really can't think of anything original and
 creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any
 *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the more
 mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something they
 found elsewhere, then arguing about 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 Judy:
  I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual 
  experiences but simply not want to write about them on this 
  forum.
 
 Let's see, how many times did I ask Barry about what it felt like to witness 
Rama's levitation event? That would surely be an earth-shaking spiritual 
experience! Instead, Barry writes about French cafes and posts comments about 
other people's spiritual experiences. Go figure.
 

 Sometimes I wonder what Barry's spiritual experiences, if any, were really 
like, or even if he has thought about them much. Why would a non-believer even 
want to talk about a spiritual path or spiritual experience in the first 
place? Didn't Barry used to say that these unusual events were just common 
everyday experiences, no big deal, a big whoop?
 

 One could spend days and weeks finding holes in what Barry tries to pass for 
logic. The guy is so contradictory, such a hypocrite that finding flaws in what 
he tries to pass off as creative and interesting writing is like shooting fish 
in a barrel - the only difference is that fish are smarter.
 

 But nice job with your post here, Ricky. You managed to bring up a couple of 
relevant inconsistencies. Bawwy won't take kindly to you having pointed these 
out.
 

 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
   Barry carefully deleted the rest of what I wrote because it panicked him. I 
pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual experiences but simply 
not want to write about them on this forum. A bit of logic that interferes with 
his pronouncements throws Barry for a loop.
 

 Some experiences are just too delicate and personal to share, for one thing. 
For another, not everyone thinks they're defined by their spiritual 
experiences. Others don't feel the need to inflate their self-image by boasting 
about how evolved they are.
 

 In any case, Barry reveals below what he really thinks: Not only is writing 
about spiritual experiences a competition in his mind, but such writing is 
subject to actual criticism. No wonder folks don't want to buy into that 
perverted view of spirituality.
 

 BTW, everything Barry says about me below is factually incorrect, except for 
my not having met Maharishi and not having become a TM teacher (as if that 
would say anything about my spiritual experiences).
 

 I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others' spiritual 
experiences, he's interested in having something with which to browbeat the 
people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap he's hauled out 
so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments demonstrate).
 

  Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read this 
  same rap from you? 

 Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)

She knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the 
players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and well 
(she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try, because that 
will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides, she's afraid to 
compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not win. 
 
Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get no personal 
experience stories from her, for what should be obvious reasons. The person who 
tries to present herself as an authority here 1) never met Maharishi, 2) 
never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for the TM organization or to 
spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her tiny apartment in New Jersey 
and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if she were able to. 
 
In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of an angry old woman, 
lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own life in the pursuit of 
pettiness.

Others here probably have stories of their actual experiences, because they had 
some. I look forward to hearing them... 
 
 


 
 
 
 





 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/22/2014 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

 On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  */But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have
  on a daily basis. /*

 Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag 
about them?


 Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

*/Interestingly, teachers in the past have never shirked from the 
basically impossible task of trying to express silence. Some have done 
it quite eloquently, like the Zen masters and poets of Japan, who 
managed to turn the subjective experience of silence into high art.

/*



/*Silence is silence.  A number of folks have posted on FFL about 
experiencing silence in activity.  No big deal.  Maybe it is if you are 
not experiencing it.  Those who have, made and got the t-shirt. ;-)


*/



 Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
 about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
 political events. Or the weather. Or food. Or football..

*/Perhaps they'd rather not even try, out of fear of not being able to 
convey their experience in a way that could touch another human being 
and possibly inspire them./*




/*If people want to be inspired why waste time trying to get it on a 
chat group in the Internet age? Just go read some shastra or watch some 
of the chanting on YouTube.


Problem on FFL is that if someone claims they are having a good 
experience or their experience doesn't fall within the rather poor 
definitions of enlightenment that MMY gave then they are told they 
aren't experiencing enlightenment.  I know a number of folks who have 
experienced silence in activity starting back in the 1970s. I also know 
folks who have said they only have transcended a few times practicing TM.


I was also thinking about the Buck's complaining that folks were falling 
asleep during program in the dome.  I wonder if he asked them if they 
were witnessing that sleep.  They might be and experiencing the delta 
wave state which is very much like sleep but not atotal blank out. I've 
experienced that myself meditating.


FFL is NOT a weekend residence course that needs to be shepherded by a 
course leader.


*/
__._,_



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Share Long
noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever else 
it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I 
just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! 
imho (-:





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag
about them?

Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D 

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..  




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever else 
it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I 
just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! 
imho (-:

Why do you think I asked Buck if he'd looked into his horse's eyes lately 
instead of running around the countryside trying to find a saint? It's all 
everywhere, just like you noticed when you woke up this morning and felt what 
you felt. I don't know what Barry's on about, as if spiritual experiences 
exist outside of all that we do day to day.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
 But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about them?
 
 Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence?  :-D 
 
 Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk about the 
application of that such as perceptions of global or local political events.  
Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..  
 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

2014-01-22 Thread Bhairitu
There's that old saw: before enlightenment you chop wood and carry 
water and after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water.


I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems 
no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite are trying to 
hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them to move over and get 
out of the way since they are a real drag on society.  Certainly having 
a quiet platform of silence helps to observe these apocalyptic events 
and even laugh them off (or laugh at the perpetrators).  I find that 
some of the political forums I'm on the posters really get hung up in 
the minutia missing the forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so much.  
That in itself is a sign of evolution.


On 01/22/2014 12:42 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be 
enlightened. I'm just saying that I think all of human life is about 
spirituality, whatever else it's about, whether it be art or weather 
or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I just watched 42, The Jackie 
Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! imho (-:




On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have 
on a daily basis. /*


Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about 
them?


Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk 
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local 
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..