Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
LBS = LB Shriver, who posted here a lot in the past and espoused a process
= product philosophy.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as
we enter the domain of devas we've got problems
Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm
dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in
the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we
are very far from that right now!  

--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Something along the following lines:
 
 A piece of land gets arbitrarily separated from
 everything else by 
 some human being who puts a fence around it. Having
 done this, that 
 property gets divided on a grid such that different
 squares on the 
 grid are governed by different devas. Why this
 should be the case, 
 I don't know.

 The entries into the building on the property will
 sit on top of 
 these abstract squares and therefore be under the
 influence of one 
 or more of these devas. Having a southern entrance
 will increase 
 problems in the direction of death because the devas
 that hang out 
 on that side are Yama (god of death) and other
 related henchmen. 
 Just what the devas are that hang out on the north
 side, I don't 
 know. But they are supposed to support prosperity
 and having 
 children, I think. The devas on the east side are
 supposed to 
 support spiritual growth.
 
 Incidentally, Keith Wallace recently told the MUM
 students the 
 official explanation for the following change of
 policy. In the 
 past, the teacher always faced east in the
 classroom, while the 
 students faced west. The logic was that the teacher
 needed to be the 
 most coherent person present, being the one that
 everyone was paying 
 attention to, and facing east produced the most
 coherence. Now, the 
 policy is reversed. The logic is that it makes no
 difference which 
 direction someone who is enlightened faces, but it
 matters for those 
 who are not. The implication is that the faculty of
 MUM are all 
 enlightened, while the students are not.
 
 So why all this emphasis on SV in the first place?
 Why not just 
 focus on the enlightenment of individuals as in the
 original plan. 
 It might have been more successful at transforming
 the world than 
 all these impersonal plans to save humanity that
 seem to go nowhere.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  Could someone tell me what is the vedic reasoning
  behind why a northern facing entrance to a
 building
  lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those
 living
  in such a building? Can a functional hypothesis
 even
  be created that makes rational sense? Also, you
 will
  be fined 12 points if the term natural law comes
 up
  in your answer! Please use the term, IUWEROQWF,
  instead.  
  
  
  
  
  
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter


--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Thanks for the explanation. But of course as
 soon as
   we enter the domain of devas we've got
 problems
   Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that
 I'm
   dismissing such an explanation, just that it
 hangs in
   the air as a myth until it can be quantified.
 And we
   are very far from that right now!  
 
 Alternatively, we could get Carlos Casteneda to role
 around on the 
 property until he detects his power spots, then take
 some mescaline so 
 that he can see the devas hanging out on them

LOL! I get this image of Bevan and King Tony tripping
on mescaline rolling around on the ground with
bugged-out eyes screaming, Right here man, right
here! It's a power spot!

Just in passing, many moons ago while tripping on
mescaline and camping with my friend we both saw these
amazing beings, not well defined, but moving all
around the landscape at night. It was more fascinating
than scary. Anyone else have such an experience?  





 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Charity Cars, Inc.





lol @peter!!! very funny!!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV 
  Hypothesis
  --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]...   
  wrote:   Thanks for the explanation. But of course as 
  soon as   we enter the domain of "devas" we've got 
  problems   Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not 
  that I'm   dismissing such an explanation, just that 
  it hangs in   the air as a myth until it can be 
  quantified. And we   are very far from that right 
  now!   Alternatively, we could get Carlos Casteneda to 
  role around on the  property until he detects his power spots, 
  then take some mescaline so  that he can see the devas hanging 
  out on themLOL! I get this image of Bevan and King Tony trippingon 
  mescaline rolling around on the ground withbugged-out eyes screaming, 
  "Right here man, righthere! It's a power spot!"Just in passing, 
  many moons ago while tripping onmescaline and camping with my friend we 
  both saw theseamazing "beings," not well defined, but moving allaround 
  the landscape at night. It was more fascinatingthan scary. Anyone else 
  have such an experience?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter


--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon
 as
  we enter the domain of devas we've got problems
  Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm
  dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs
 in
  the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And
 we
  are very far from that right now!
 
 But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides
 a basis for quantification.  From it we can
 construct
 testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes
 with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages
 than those in homes with entrances facing in other
 directions.

I think two things are confounded here. There are the
empirical findings that correlate south facing
entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc.,
compared to north facing entranced homes. These are
empirical facts if the research is done right. Then
there are the explanatory concepts that either link
the empirical findings back into known science or a
new explanatory construct is created (such as in the
1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to
explain the findings. This, of course, is much more
difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do
with the 1% research. But the new construct must
attempt to link or bridge known science to the new
explanatory paradigm. The new construct must make
sense within a scientific zeitgeist. The new
explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a
metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about
self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas)
governing directional quadrants on a piece of property
is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very
far away from explaining research findings that
haven't even been completed yet!   



 
 
 
 
   
  
  --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Something along the following lines:
   
   A piece of land gets arbitrarily separated from
   everything else by 
   some human being who puts a fence around it.
 Having
   done this, that 
   property gets divided on a grid such that
 different
   squares on the 
   grid are governed by different devas. Why this
   should be the case, 
   I don't know.
  
   The entries into the building on the property
 will
   sit on top of 
   these abstract squares and therefore be under
 the
   influence of one 
   or more of these devas. Having a southern
 entrance
   will increase 
   problems in the direction of death because the
 devas
   that hang out 
   on that side are Yama (god of death) and other
   related henchmen. 
   Just what the devas are that hang out on the
 north
   side, I don't 
   know. But they are supposed to support
 prosperity
   and having 
   children, I think. The devas on the east side
 are
   supposed to 
   support spiritual growth.
   
   Incidentally, Keith Wallace recently told the
 MUM
   students the 
   official explanation for the following change of
   policy. In the 
   past, the teacher always faced east in the
   classroom, while the 
   students faced west. The logic was that the
 teacher
   needed to be the 
   most coherent person present, being the one that
   everyone was paying 
   attention to, and facing east produced the most
   coherence. Now, the 
   policy is reversed. The logic is that it makes
 no
   difference which 
   direction someone who is enlightened faces, but
 it
   matters for those 
   who are not. The implication is that the faculty
 of
   MUM are all 
   enlightened, while the students are not.
   
   So why all this emphasis on SV in the first
 place?
   Why not just 
   focus on the enlightenment of individuals as in
 the
   original plan. 
   It might have been more successful at
 transforming
   the world than 
   all these impersonal plans to save humanity that
   seem to go nowhere.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

Could someone tell me what is the vedic
 reasoning
behind why a northern facing entrance to a
   building
lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those
   living
in such a building? Can a functional
 hypothesis
   even
be created that makes rational sense? Also,
 you
   will
be fined 12 points if the term natural law
 comes
   up
in your answer! Please use the term,
 IUWEROQWF,
instead.  





   
  
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
One of those great words that you don't get to use too
often but it really captures your intent at times. 

--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Love that word: zeitgeist
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  I think two things are confounded here. There are
 the
  empirical findings that correlate south facing
  entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths,
 etc.,
  compared to north facing entranced homes. These
 are
  empirical facts if the research is done right.
 Then
  there are the explanatory concepts that either
 link
  the empirical findings back into known science or
 a
  new explanatory construct is created (such as in
 the
  1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to
  explain the findings. This, of course, is much
 more
  difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do
  with the 1% research. But the new construct must
  attempt to link or bridge known science to the new
  explanatory paradigm. The new construct must
 make
  sense within a scientific zeitgeist. The new
  explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a
  metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk
 about
  self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e.,
 devas)
  governing directional quadrants on a piece of
 property
  is just a cultural belief from India. It is very,
 very
  far away from explaining research findings that
  haven't even been completed yet!   
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very
 science that later 
  embraced them and much later found evidence for
 them.
  
  The SV mythology does not arise from such an
 evolution. Scientists 
  do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the
 sky explanation 
  for how things work and test it rigorously.
 
 Deva is merely a place-holder word. You can
 substitute any set of 
 scientific terms you want. Science, the methodology,
 doesn't care 
 about terminology, only about results.

No, you are completely wrong here. The explanatory
concepts must make sense by having quantifiable
properties (i.e., open to measurement) and not be
simple metaphors or placeholders. Placeholders for
what, reality?


 
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. But of course as
 soon as
we enter the domain of devas we've got
 problems
Houston within a scientific paradigm. 
   
   Because there are elements in the theory that
 are not (yet)
   observable? That does not seem to be a problem
 for hard core 
  science. 
   
   Black holes were predicted by Einstein's (and
 other's) work in the
   early 20's but were not observed, albeit
 indirectly -- by
   implication, for 60-70 years. String theory's 13
 dimensions have 
  not
   been observed, but a lot of high level physics
 focuses on such. A
   mechanism like DNA was postulated for some time,
 but was not
   observed until 1953. The Big Bang was not
 observed, but its a 
  model
   that fits the observable evidence. 
   
   Why then should a model of energy / information
 structures (aka 
  devas)
   that explain observed phenomenon   be
 rejected? I know that 
  there is
   no observed phenomenon yet, but if research
 did show a SV 
 effect,
   then  a model of priordial  energy / information
 structures is 
 not 
  so
   wierd. And perhaps Science will then someday
 actual observe 
  these 
   energy / information structures. Stranger things
 have happened in 
  science.
 
 
 
 
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