Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
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   --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at
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 As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO
 sometime not
 long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison
 warning
 would have had to have been issued at some
 point in
 between then and 1998.
 
 
 
 1993 at the DC course.

Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was
appointed or volunteered to
walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC
 area and
read a prepared
statement, written either by Maharishi or some
 TMO
higher up (I can check
with Dean if anyone really wants to know).
 That
statement included the
phrase that SSRS was offering people
 sugar-coated
poison.
   
   I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman,
 former
   TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw
 Dean
   and said hi and asked what he was doing there.
 When
   Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean
 was
   trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar
 and
   denouncing his actions because he did not talk
 about
   his past association with the TMO. It was like
 when a
   Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM
 intro
   lecture and speak with such great conviction
 about how
   they were right and you were wrong. The poor
 audience
   is usually left completely baffled by this
 display of
   spiritual arrogance.
  
  Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS
 supposedly not being 
  true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics
 with regard to 
  the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by
 the way...
 
 That referred specifically to the hyperventilation
 (Sudarshan Kriya) technique.  MMY is also supposed
 to
 have said it was dangerous.
 
 There's lots of stuff about Shankar on 
 alt.meditation.transcendental.  Do a search for
 Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though.

I've been doing Sudarshan Kriya regularly along with
my TM/TM-sidhi program for 15 years now. I really
enjoy the technique. It pushes prana into your body
and purifies it. Some TMer's like it and some can't
stand it. What I like about the Art of Living
organization is  SSRS and the contact I've had with
him. It took me a while to let go around him because I
was so used to the formality of MMY and the TMO. But
he's the bee's knees!



 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter


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 Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS
 supposedly not being 
 true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics
 with regard to 
 the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by
 the way...

Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from
MMY in guru speak. It was never clear what Dean's
beef was. My understanding was they thought SSRS was
stealing TM people to join his movement or taking
advantage of his former association with the TMO to
get members. None of this was or is true, of course.
SSRS wanted to teach Sudarshan Kriya within the TMO
and asked MMY if he could. MMY told him to go out on
his own to teach it. He didn't leave MMY for over a
year after MMY told him this.



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 That referred specifically to the hyperventilation
 (Sudarshan Kriya) technique.  MMY is also supposed to
 have said it was dangerous.
 
 There's lots of stuff about Shankar on
 alt.meditation.transcendental.  Do a search for
 Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though.

Amma also cautions against intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there
been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter
Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM?

--- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  My new friend here said something intresting,
  
  Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate
 hundreds and thousands of his followers provided
 a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do
 so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave
 like a fanatic muslim organization- I was
 positively shocked and tried to get in touch with
 the TM-movement. No reply. 
  
  
 From:  Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison:
 Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How
 MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
 
 
 I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman,
 former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She
 saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing
 there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to.
 Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr.
 Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did
 not talk about his past association with the TMO. It
 was like when a Christian fundamentalist would
 show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such
 great conviction about how they were right and you
 were wrong. The poor audience is usually left
 completely baffled by this display of spiritual
 arrogance.
  
   
  
 
 
 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  That referred specifically to the hyperventilation
  (Sudarshan Kriya) technique.  MMY is also supposed
 to
  have said it was dangerous.
  
  There's lots of stuff about Shankar on
  alt.meditation.transcendental.  Do a search for
  Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though.
 
 Amma also cautions against intense forms of
 pranayama. Peter, have there
 been instances of people blowing their circuits out
 doing this?

None that I've heard about. Maybe its the three cycles
of long, medium and short that make it easier on the
body. 



 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Hagen J. Holtz
For sure into TM.

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From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the 
sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of 
spinach...)


 Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM?

 --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  My new friend here said something intresting,

  Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate
 hundreds and thousands of his followers provided
 a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do
 so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave
 like a fanatic muslim organization- I was
 positively shocked and tried to get in touch with
 the TM-movement. No reply.


 From:  Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST)
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison:
 Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How
 MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)


 I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman,
 former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She
 saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing
 there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to.
 Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr.
 Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did
 not talk about his past association with the TMO. It
 was like when a Christian fundamentalist would
 show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such
 great conviction about how they were right and you
 were wrong. The poor audience is usually left
 completely baffled by this display of spiritual
 arrogance.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter
SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called
Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India
which is slightly different than the TM taught in the
US and europe. A puja is performed to Guru Dev just
like in TM. It is TM. This is what makes me doubt the
veracity of your friends report.

--- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  I think that's exactly what he meant. 
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 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called
 Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India
 which is slightly different than the TM taught in the
 US and europe.

In what way is it different?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at
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  SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called
  Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in
 India
  which is slightly different than the TM taught in
 the
  US and europe.
 
 In what way is it different?

I have not learned it. SSRS tells TM people that if
they're satisfied with their TM they should continue
with that. It's like a TM advanced technique in terms
of where you think the mantra. If you have this
technique, you know what I'm talking about. SSRS seems
to put more attention on the Sidarshan Kriya than on
meditation.


 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)

2005-11-14 Thread Peter


--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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  --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   
   Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS
   supposedly not being 
   true to his roots a la TM? Or were there
 specifics
   with regard to 
   the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label
 by
   the way...
  
  Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment
 from
  MMY in guru speak. 
 
 So you are indicating MMY meant it to say, it is a
 sweet way of 
 killing off the small self?

Yes. SSRS is Brahman that is very sattvic and sweet.
You can have a very casual, open relationship with
him. Nothing is formal at all. But That infinite
consciousness will eat you up though. In my direct
experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast
and powerful...infinite Shiva. However, in my
experience, SSRS is much more personal and actually
knows you on the level of the personality. SSRS also
does very specific things for you if you ask him. It's
pretty amazing. SSRS has infinite respect and
gratitude towards MMY and always speaks highly of him
with great love and devotion in his voice. I've also
heard him tell some pretty funny ashram stories.



 
 
 
 
 
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