Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Karma Yoga

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As much as ™ itself is said to be effortless meditation it does take some 
discipline to do. At the outset it is actually something you ‘do’.  

 I have these old cassette tapes from the India TM teacher training courses 
with Maharishi, outdoor lectures with crows cawing in the background and such. 
He says plainly that ™ does take some concentration (in particular) to do, to 
recognize what is going on and ‘do’ the practice, it requires a little action 
to do. 

 So yes, TM it could be said is ‘karma yoga’ from that standpoint and then all 
those old meditators out in coffee shops when they could be meditating, are 
just ill-disciplined loafers.. ‘taking it easy and taking it as it comes..’ as 
if that is a spiritual practice in itself. 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 According to the concordance, on pg 303 of SofB, there's something on karma 
yoga.
 Hope this helps.

 

 cardemaister offers:
 At least YF seems to be karma yoga par excellence: simultaneous intense action 
(karma) and

 "non-action", samaadhi (yoga)??
 




 On Thursday, July 12, 2018, 1:09:47 AM CDT, eustace10679 
 wrote: 
 

 

   
 No, that's not it. I remember reading plainly that TM *is* Karma Yoga, the 
important issue being that after diving in you *have* ti get out and transfer 
to the outer world of action the what you got from diving in. That's why in TM 
extended practice -- without outside action -- is not recommended under normal 
circumstances and unlike other meditation practices. I remember reading it in 
the Science of Being -- and I've also read the Commentary.
 

 Maharishi's statement was straightforward and it did not involve 
interpretation. I think everybody should know about it. If anybody has the book 
handy and haven't read it, This statement remained in my memory as the most 
interesting in the book. And BTW it was written many years before the 
introduction of the sidhi program.

 

 Eustace
 

 -- 
The Meditation Meter Website
http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html 
http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html

 


 










  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Karma Yoga

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 According to the concordance, on pg 303 of SofB, there's something on karma 
yoga.Hope this helps.

On Thursday, July 12, 2018, 1:09:47 AM CDT, eustace10679 
 wrote:  
 
     

No, that's not it. I remember reading plainly that TM *is* Karma Yoga, the 
important issue being that after diving in you *have* ti get out and transfer 
to the outer world of action the what you got from diving in. That's why in TM 
extended practice -- without outside action -- is not recommended under normal 
circumstances and unlike other meditation practices. I remember reading it in 
the Science of Being -- and I've also read the Commentary.
Maharishi's statement was straightforward and it did not involve 
interpretation. I think everybody should know about it. If anybody has the book 
handy and haven't read it, This statement remained in my memory as the most 
interesting in the book. And BTW it was written many years before the 
introduction of the sidhi program.

Eustace
-- 
The Meditation Meter Website
http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Abraham? most proceptive re this & jews I believe

[wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

Quite correct I feel.




In a message dated 09/02/17 09:23:04 Eastern Daylight Time, 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes:


Not “over-represented” but interesting disproportionate number compared to a 
general population.  A universality in the Old Testament religion possibly 
predisposes a people brought up with that aspect to recognize what is a 
universal Unified Field that is opened in the essential transcendentalism 
teaching of ™. So some unorthodox of the old religions got it and hopped on 
right away with the experience of it.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I'm a mighty slow reader because of mild visual defect in my right eye 
("sun-burn").
So, it took me "this long" to be in the status of having read almost all of 
Rhoda's book Inside Maharishi's Ashram.


My impression is that at least 10 percent (maybe even more) of the family names 
of TMers and TM 
Governors in the book hint they might well be descendants of Abraham (Father of 
many??) and Sara (Princess).


So, are those Great People with Incredible Guts(?) "overrepresented" in the US 
TM movement?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Mutineers Beware Re Rajas! of History!

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

That's why FFL stands for "Funny Farm Lounge". :-D

On 07/13/2017 07:34 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:


you have a valid cause in many ways but you utterly discredit yourself 
with this dumb ugly and irrelevant nonsense

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

One of the features of "awakening" is the surprise. 
All along you are expecting to come to pass what you have been taught, but real 
awakening is transcendental to this, goes beyond what you knew. 
This is the transition from Unity to Brahman, when the illusion, as it is 
called, "that which is not" passes away. 
The veil hiding and obscuring the experience of what is alleged to be reality 
lifts.
The term "that which is not" — Maya — is truly that, for in passing it never 
existed and the reality of what had always been experienced from the very 
beginning is seen to be what was sought.
Nothing happened, the reality, such that a man can experience, was out in the 
open all the time, for all to see.
This comes as a pleasant surprise for some, and less so for others, for it 
reveals that the path, all that one took for spirituality along the way was in 
fact the illusion in just another guise, that illusion you tried to overcome, 
by meditation and all the other modalities. 
In becoming spiritual, you merely adopted another form of the mistake of the 
intellect, believing it knowledge while it really was just the same as what was 
abandoned as non spiritual.
This does not negate the value of those techniques and learning, but they were 
merely a thorn to remove a thorn. 
And meditation continues to be valuable but it serves another purpose now 
because that desire known as seeking simply disappears.
Having found what you are, here and now, there is nowhere to go.
Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. And the knowledge 
in this end point has interesting ramifications, to say the least.
Because the spiritual path has ended, the evolution after realization is 
trackless, there is not a path whatever, but still you must learn because all 
that came before is now seen as an illusion, as unreal, as not true and now you 
have what is true, and it is not what you thought.
To reveal a truth, you were given a lie (the thorn that removes a thorn), and 
that lie was whatever you learned on the way. 
Some people retreat from this, it can be so shocking if unprepared for it, and 
in the TM movement, there is almost no preparation for this, that the spiritual 
path was just another form of what you supposed you were escaping from, the 
unsatisfactory nature of life as an individual in a hostile world.
It bolstered you with a belief in a better time to help get you over some of 
the hurdles.
The real hurdle is that life is the same as it always was and now it must be 
met head on.
There is no escape. But the perspective of enlightenment is different, in that 
knowing there is no escape with an absolute finality, eliminates the 
possibility of retreat into another fantasy.
And now is the time to learn to live life, to embrace the art of living, now 
there is no excuse to avoid embracing life in all its difficulties.
"You are the world" as they say and as such there is nowhere to hide from it, 
no more hiding behind illusions. 
The learning that may have been so desperately sought really begins here, and 
you have to learn all by yourself.
The spiritual path was prep work, not the final work. 
As if TC, CC, GC, UC were elementary school, middle school, high school, and 
college. 
But enlightenment is where you start to work on your post doctorate, where you 
are independent, there are no teachers, you learn by doing and coordinating 
your realization with world.
This is the part that most meditators think meditation is going to accomplish, 
but the meditation was preparing you for this, making you strong enough for 
this so the job at hand would not be overwhelming.
For some it might still be difficult, for others maybe easy.
Even so, you have an imagined choice, if you like, to continue with others in 
this, or just be alone, because really there are no others. There is no group, 
there is only consciousness.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:07 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
   
    
Evidently in more than ‘awakening’ spiritually, a further cultivation evidently 
is in what one can do with it.
Interestingly, in SRF (Self-Realization Foundation, Yogananda’s teaching) they 
start with moral development in a study sequence of material and then in  the 
sequence students learn meditation.  These are deep meditators.  For them 
meditation is not just secular relief of stress but essential spiritual 
cultivation in the sequence in developing the human being.  
Threefold, for instance Ammachi freely urges practitioners on in their 
cultivation of spiritual progress and incarnational embodiment essentially 
through: moral character development in a reading and study of elevated 
writings, cultivating spiritual practices of meditation, and thirdly being of 
self-less service to others, of help to others, actively.

TM in a personality split can have a context background 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Quote:
 Is it for me? Personally I don’t feel comfortable advising anyone to try 
Transcendental Meditation anymore, especially if you are looking to go deep 
into meditation. To know more, check out this answer I wrote in Quora 
https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-impression-of-transcendental-meditation/answer/Giovanni-Dienstmann.
 If you wish to try something similar, for a fraction of the cost or for free, 
have a look at NSR (above), or Mantra Meditation.

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A sample of scientific research on mindfulness meditation, which is actually 
researched more than TM. The proprietary nature of TM teaching seems to 
restrict the possibilities of more directly comparative studies. The studies on 
TM are also mentioned.
76 Scientific Benefits of Meditation | Live and Dare

  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

An interesting article comparing mantra-based meditation with mindfulness 
meditation. Note the final paragraph.
Mantra Practice vs. Mindfulness

  
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  From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
   
    Thxhis phrase "all other types of meditation" only applies to the 
limited sample of the control group types, not literally "all types". No 
mention of Mindfulness.. No mention of Oxytocin levels which correlate to the 
feeling of compassionate awareness that could go farther toward a more complete 
description of meditative states than the Default mode. The default mode is 
limited in scope, since it doesn't involve activation of the polyvagal system. 
That's where compassion comes in.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That is rather interesting. It confirms my experience with TM versus other 
types when I started. 
More recently however the experience is they are all similar but then my mind 
has undergone a lot transformations in the last few years or so. 
The main difference now is the mind is far more silent even in activity so I 
can just sit and be silent even without meditating. 
Basically as time goes on the contrasts of experience that a non-meditator or a 
new meditator experiences become less and less, although I think the time 
interval for this to occur varies a lot among individuals.
My experience with the movement is they are not keen on making comprehensive 
comparisons with other meditations.
>From a scientific point of view, enlightenment is kind of undefined, 
>consciousness is undefined, so designing an experiment that investigates what 
>meditation is supposed to accomplish is currently impossible.
So the tests are more superficial, such as levels of rest, or mental focus and 
some chemical changes in the blood.
It is clear these other meditations do sometimes have a profound effect and 
result in enlightenment and that some take to them more easily than TM, but I 
do not think this is the majority case.
I recall a newspaper article long ago where the author mentioned that people 
practicing TM found more success than with other types they tried. That was the 
case for me.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:09 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
   
    ..activity in the "default mode network" (DMN), which is a large-scale 
brain network involving areas in the front and back of the brain that are 
active when one's eyes are closed and one is following internal thoughts.

perhaps reflecting..
This could indicate..
assertions. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




| New Research Validates Hallmark of Transcendental Meditation — 
EffortlessnessA new study on MUM students by Fred Travis shows EEG patterns of 
the Transcendental Meditation® technique that distinguish it from other 
approaches to meditation and that validate the assertion that it's an 
effortless practice."Transcendental Meditation uses a mantra, and for this 
reason some researchers maintain that it involves focused attention and 
controlling the mind," Dr. Travis said. "This study supports the experience of 
people who practice Transcendental Meditation that it's easy to learn and 
effortless to practice."There were two key findings that suggest the technique 
is effortless and natural. First, the students who had been meditating for a 
month reported the same frequency of experiences of Transcendental 
Consciousness as those who had been meditating for five years."This supports 
the understanding that Transcendental Meditation uses the natural tendency of 
the mind to transcend — to move from active thinking to deep, inner silence," 
Dr. Travis said. "Extensive practice doesn't make a natural process go any 
better."The second finding deals with activity in the "default mode network" 
(DMN), which is a large-scale brain network involving areas in the front and 
back of the brain that are active when one's eyes are closed and one is 
following internal thoughts. DMN activity is high when a person just sits with 
his or her eyes closed, and low when one opens one's eyes and interacts with 
the world.The study reports that activity in the DMN remained high during 
Transcendental Meditation practice. In contrast, it decreases in all other 
types of meditation — since they involve focus and control of the mind. Indeed, 
the study found that the default mode network was as high during Transcendental 
Meditation practice as during eyes-closed rest, which is used as the benchmark 
for default mode network activity.However, Dr. Travis found two important 
differences between Transcendental Meditation and eyes-closed rest. Eyes-closed 
rest had more beta brain waves in areas of the brain associated with memory and 
motor aspects of speech production, perhaps reflecting the mental chatter that 
goes on when one's eyes are closed, Dr. Travis said.Transcendental Meditation 
had more theta brain waves in orbitofrontal areas associated with reward 
anticipation."This could indicate the movement of the mind to more charming 
levels of thought during transcending," Dr. Travis said. "The meditators' 
attention was absorbed in the inner march of the mind, attracted by the 
increasing charm of finer levels of mental functioning."
Works cited:
The Review, Vol 32, #6 |


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

...now you have me yawning, and I just woke up.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Disagreeing with another's view is an expression of contempt for that view, 
particularly if that view is simply dismissed.
 

 This seems to be the human condition.
 

 Scientists express contempt for other scientists' views but they do have a 
method to resolve disputes.
 

 There does not seem to be an efficient method for this among spiritual or 
political groups.
 

 Who is behind this alias you are accusing me of being? I do not live in Texas, 
which you seem to imply.
 


 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   Yep, thinking the same thing - just another texas two step...

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Exactly. Expresses a kind of contempt for the people who actually post on this 
forum, don't you think?

Also, I suspect that "ArchonAngel" is just another alias of the one here who 
already has too many. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It should be noted that with the exception of Doug, the "consideration of 
proposals" he describes is not taking place among those who post to this group. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Archer Angel writes:

 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 

 

 Archer, I  hope you will stick around.  
 

 You bring up a good point about the branding of FairfieldLife over this 
Yahoo-Group.  There is still consideration going on of proposals as to making 
this spiritual yahoo-group heave to more exclusive topics of spiritual interest 
for this next month while so much of a higher spiritual order is going on in 
Fairfield, Iowa.  
 

 I may work on these proposals more particularly this next week as I return 
from some brief travels to that spiritual place of Fairfield, Iowa life. 
 

 I would look forward to your help with this.-JaiGuruYou

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Disagreeing with another's view is an expression of contempt for that view, 
particularly if that view is simply dismissed.
This seems to be the human condition.
Scientists express contempt for other scientists' views but they do have a 
method to resolve disputes.
There does not seem to be an efficient method for this among spiritual or 
political groups.
Who is behind this alias you are accusing me of being? I do not live in Texas, 
which you seem to imply.

  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
   
    Yep, thinking the same thing - just another texas two step...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Exactly. Expresses a kind of contempt for the people who actually post on this 
forum, don't you think?

Also, I suspect that "ArchonAngel" is just another alias of the one here who 
already has too many. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It should be noted that with the exception of Doug, the "consideration of 
proposals" he describes is not taking place among those who post to this group.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Archer Angel writes:

Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 

Archer, I  hope you will stick around.  
You bring up a good point about the branding of FairfieldLife over this 
Yahoo-Group.  There is still consideration going on of proposals as to making 
this spiritual yahoo-group heave to more exclusive topics of spiritual interest 
for this next month while so much of a higher spiritual order is going on in 
Fairfield, Iowa.  
I may work on these proposals more particularly this next week as I return from 
some brief travels to that spiritual place of Fairfield, Iowa life. 
I would look forward to your help with this.    -JaiGuruYou


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.  #yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was referring to how TM is advertised compared to results. 

 Eggs came before chickens.
 

 Dinosaurs are the ancestors of chickens.
 

 What came before dinosaurs and did the predecessors lay cracked eggs? That is 
what I want to know.
 

 It just seems something is missing from the understanding of TM meditators as 
a group, though I suppose there are individual exceptions.
 

 Groups sharing a common interested often show a collective insanity. I use 
that word in a loose fashion, as if one were talking of Jehovah's Witnesses or 
something like that.
 

 I think human being, in general, illustrate 'collective insanity'.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.
 

 I don't think so but I don't think it 'cures' abnormality either. You seem to 
suggest TM should be able to do this but lots of people here have argued that 
TM has taken 'abnormal' people and made them psychotic or worse. I wouldn't 
necessarily go that far unless someone decided to drop everything and do 
something silly like enter into some Purusha or Mother Divine lifestyle. That 
could be enough to drive someone crazy but, then, what came first - the crazy 
chicken or the cracked egg?
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
 

 Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that?




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I'm sorry, "My Maharishi"?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Didn't your Maharishi say something like "as you are so you are faced with?"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, sorry. It's just that we've come to associate Trump supporters with 
boorish behavior. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No
 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   Trump supporter, hmm?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 But as I did learn TM quite some time ago, "TM" is an abbreviation for 
Transcendental Meditation.
 

 It seems to be a variant of mantra yoga, and it was pretty easy to practice.
 

 There are other techniques, such as just sitting there, or noticing breathing.
 

 Thinking things over is usually called contemplation even though some call it 
meditation or meditations.
 

 As for mental phenomena, I would agree there is silence or not, or thinking or 
other experiences in the mind.
 

 My understanding of the word transcending is going beyond a certain range or 
limit.
 

 Many people seem to restrict their lives to a much narrower expanse.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is no "TM" - that's just an acronym made up by the Maharishi.  

 Meditation simply means "to think things over." Based on the definition of 
meditation, almost everyone on the entire planet thinks! 
 

 Nobody could go a single day without once or twice pausing to take stock of 
their own mental contents. And, we are all transcending, all the time. 
 

 There's no TM - there is only silence, or not, or a mind that thinks. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To be clear this is NOT a group about TM but about people who have practiced 
TM and have that in common.  There are a lot of diverse interests here.
 
 On 10/10/2016 12:21 PM, Archer Angel archonangel@... mailto:archonangel@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.
 awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
  Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk ! about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that? 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:archonangel@... wrote :
 
 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
 

 








 
 







 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I did practice TM for a fair amount of time, but went on to other things due to 
unresponsive teachers unable to answer questions I had. 

 I have always had some trouble with the terminology used by spiritual groups.
 

 In the end it always seems inconsistent.
 

 Very few seem to talk this kind of talk as if they knew what it meant. 
 

 .
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Preciselybesides there seems to be differing opinions on what's 
"spiritual". Also, I question the completeness of TM as a technique leading to 
Enlightenment. It might be a good start but I haven't seen much evidence that 
it activates the Kundalini and opens the chakras, especially the ajna or 3-rd 
eye chakra (the subtle anatomy of which is described in the Kundalini Care 
book.)   Limiting the topic to purusha would be a woefully inadequate approach, 
imo; even by MMY;'s standards since Brahman has two-in-One aspects. All of 
relative existence counts for something.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Didn't your Maharishi say something like "as you are so you are faced with?"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, sorry. It's just that we've come to associate Trump supporters with 
boorish behavior. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No
 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   Trump supporter, hmm?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was referring to how TM is advertised compared to results. 

 Eggs came before chickens.
 

 Dinosaurs are the ancestors of chickens.
 

 It just seems something is missing from the understanding of TM meditators as 
a group, though I suppose there are individual exceptions.
 

 Groups sharing a common interested often show a collective insanity. I use 
that word in a loose fashion, as if one were talking of Jehovah's Witnesses or 
something like that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.
 

 I don't think so but I don't think it 'cures' abnormality either. You seem to 
suggest TM should be able to do this but lots of people here have argued that 
TM has taken 'abnormal' people and made them psychotic or worse. I wouldn't 
necessarily go that far unless someone decided to drop everything and do 
something silly like enter into some Purusha or Mother Divine lifestyle. That 
could be enough to drive someone crazy but, then, what came first - the crazy 
chicken or the cracked egg?
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
 

 Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that?




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[anon_alias]

There is no "TM" - that's just an acronym made up by the Maharishi.  

 Meditation simply means "to think things over." Based on the definition of 
meditation, almost everyone on the entire planet thinks! 
 

 Nobody could go a single day without once or twice pausing to take stock of 
their own mental contents. And, we are all transcending, all the time. 
 

 There's no TM - there is only silence, or not, or a mind that thinks. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To be clear this is NOT a group about TM but about people who have practiced 
TM and have that in common.  There are a lot of diverse interests here.
 
 On 10/10/2016 12:21 PM, Archer Angel archonangel@... mailto:archonangel@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.
 awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
  Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk ! about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that? 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:archonangel@... wrote :
 
 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
 

 








 
 







 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Preciselybesides there seems to be differing opinions on what's 
"spiritual". Also, I question the completeness of TM as a technique leading to 
Enlightenment. It might be a good start but I haven't seen much evidence that 
it activates the Kundalini and opens the chakras, especially the ajna or 3-rd 
eye chakra (the subtle anatomy of which is described in the Kundalini Care 
book.)   Limiting the topic to purusha would be a woefully inadequate approach, 
imo; even by MMY;'s standards since Brahman has two-in-One aspects. All of 
relative existence counts for something.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh, sorry. It's just that we've come to associate Trump supporters with boorish 
behavior. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No
 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   Trump supporter, hmm?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.
 

 I don't think so but I don't think it 'cures' abnormality either. You seem to 
suggest TM should be able to do this but lots of people here have argued that 
TM has taken 'abnormal' people and made them psychotic or worse. I wouldn't 
necessarily go that far unless someone decided to drop everything and do 
something silly like enter into some Purusha or Mother Divine lifestyle. That 
could be enough to drive someone crazy but, then, what came first - the crazy 
chicken or the cracked egg?
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
 

 Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
 

 Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
 

 It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
 

 Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that?




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

To be clear this is NOT a group about TM but about people who have 
practiced TM and have that in common.  There are a lot of diverse 
interests here.


On 10/10/2016 12:21 PM, Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.



*From:* "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM

Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the 
intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM.


Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the 
subject matter here.


It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.

Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front 
of our computers and talk ! about yoga postures, politics and each 
other. We have been doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single 
one of us (except one and she is the most normal-sounding person here) 
has practiced TM at some time or another in our lives for years, even 
decades. What do you think of that?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense.

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our 
computers and talk about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been 
doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she 
is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or 
another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that?  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Trump supporter, hmm?
Must be.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.  #yiv5168188912 #yiv5168188912 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
   
    Trump supporter, hmm?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM 
Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or 
behavior that is supposed to result from TM. 
Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject 
matter here. 
It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.  #yiv0553827085 #yiv0553827085 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

s should be sitting up (the Chamber of 
Commerce and local, regional, and State economic development types).and be 
proactively asking how it is going up there and if there is anything they can 
do to help mitigate how it is going for the University here.   
 

 It should be a major local economic disturbance where it goes bankrupt, or 
closes for lack of accreditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks for your responses Doug. What a hell of a problem. I can certainly see 
the POV of the obstructionists, the ones who want to keep doing what they are 
doing, "because that's the way granny sliced the ham...".  

 If I had once been anointed as some sort of gate-keeper by "His Holiness" 
Maharishi, and had not yet awakened to my infinite nature, that would be 
something almost impossible to let go of. With such a  consciousness, it is 
enormously scary to relinquish such power, something that according to the 
psyche of the controlling person, *practically came from God, Himself*, and 
must be kept in place for the person's ongoing salvation. Such an illusion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Found a Face Book page for Ancestors of Ambrose Dixon and also a page on 
wikipedia about Ambrose Dixon and his Quaker affiliation. Pretty much said what 
I had posted earlier.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
   
    Many Friends’ ideas can be traced to earlier groups. The first distinct 
Protestant movement in England was Lollardy, arising in the late Middle Ages, 
the 1370s. 
Good survey of earlier 'Antinomian' England:
Early Quaker History 
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originally presented to the meeting for a “Quakerism 101” course by Eva Hersh 
on 4/13/2003. It was later revised by other members of Ho...||
|  View on homewoodfriends.org  |Preview by Yahoo|
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"The spread of the Antinomian tradition,as begun by the Lollards, was by means 
of extended kinship,intermarriage, and child rearing and education. As will be 
seen, theLollard movement, which continued right up to the English 
Reformationof the 1530's, was a dissident religious reform campaign 
thatharbored an ingrained Antinomian frame of mind. As such, Lollardywas as 
much a radical stance from which even more radical views andbeliefs evolved 
over time, as it was a sect with a definitivetheology and program of action. It 
comprised, therefor, manydissident attitudes about the nature of true 
religion,, the characterof a “real” church, and the correct role of the state 
in relationto it. In short, it was a conveyor of religious and 
politicalradicalism. The means of dissident transmission was by familieswithin 
great kin networks, part of a much broader process of whatmight be called a 
“cultural genetics"."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

But thanks to people like George Fox, the Quietist movement lived on under 
different names.
Yes, Jai George Fox!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Kinship, therefore, was a determinantof far more than mere bloodlines: it was 
a radical culturaltransmitter, reflecting persistent defining cultural, 
religious, andpolitical traits. It continually revealed repetitive 
familialcontinuities and ancient customs of significant proportions. 
Tracinglong lines of familial descent show that kinship connections 
almostinvariably portended the descent of radical religious tendencies, andthus 
of radical political positions. ..Thus, this continuous, repetitivecongeries of 
familial patterns was not only accidental, it was anhistorically definable and 
demonstrable phenomenon, a marvel of greathistorical significance."
Renegade Yankees The Antinomian Tradition and AgrarianResistance in the 
Colonial American Northeast, 1636-1809by Donald Alan Smith  

Miguel de Molinos was the main inspiration. 
But Madame Guyon - particularly through her book "A Short and Easy Method of 
Prayer" - helped popularize his approach.
Her high-profile supporter was Archbishop Fenelon.
All three were targeted by the Church hierarchy. The history of Catholicism 
would have been radically different if their ideas had been treated with more 
respect.

Jeanne-Marie Bouvier de la Motte-Guyon 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

MD, as one Western transcendentalmeditationist remarkably you evidently are 
part of a long line-bred traditionthat came out of European separatist 
spirituality. This dissertationI am reading describes this as like the genetics 
of cultural familialDNA, a “cultural genetics” passing as cultured from 
generationto generation. ..In your case the English Lollard antinoniam line 
toNew England affecting radical religion and politics. There wereother 
transcendentalist spiritual lines that migrated directly out ofEurope also 
which affected our American radical (transcendent) spirituality (equality) 
andpolitical sensibilities (rights) as to the proper role of church and State 
inour culture.
I would nominate you for a Maharishi Award in recognition of you and your 
family's long relationship with this.
-JaiGuruYou!    

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Good example, MD of how a spiritual movements can spread in a time.  Sort of 
like TM did in the 1950-70's. By shakti of experience and then word of mouth 
from family and friends.  That was the Quaker spiritual movement in its day.  
Mobility through kin and connection.  
Someone here in Fairfield with connection to Vermont and New England just 
handed me a 900 page dissertation that was written on the spread of what the 
author is calling,  'antinomianism' of various shades.  A study of separatist 
spirituality from European roots moving across New England, jumping and going 
around 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well... Ambrose wasn't the best Quaker in the world, as I'm not the best TMer 
in the world. Ambrose got busted and thrown in prison for stating a war with 
the Powhatan Indians. Scared the living daylights out of the other Settlers. He 
and his buddies were thrown in  jail and they wouldn't let him out until he 
pledged loyalty to Cromwell.LOL!


   

   From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
  
    MD, as one Western transcendentalmeditationist remarkably you evidently are 
part of a long line-bred traditionthat came out of European separatist 
spirituality. This dissertationI am reading describes this as like the genetics 
of cultural familialDNA, a “cultural genetics” passing as cultured from 
generationto generation. ..In your case the English Lollard antinoniam line 
toNew England affecting radical religion and politics. There wereother 
transcendentalist spiritual lines that migrated directly out ofEurope also 
which affected our American radical (transcendent) spirituality (equality) 
andpolitical sensibilities (rights) as to the proper role of church and State 
inour culture.
I would nominate you for a Maharishi Award in recognition of you and your 
family's long relationship with this.
-JaiGuruYou!    

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Good example, MD of how a spiritual movements can spread in a time.  Sort of 
like TM did in the 1950-70's. By shakti of experience and then word of mouth 
from family and friends.  That was the Quaker spiritual movement in its day.  
Mobility through kin and connection.  
Someone here in Fairfield with connection to Vermont and New England just 
handed me a 900 page dissertation that was written on the spread of what the 
author is calling,  'antinomianism' of various shades.  A study of separatist 
spirituality from European roots moving across New England, jumping and going 
around what was then the ISIS-like colony of its day, Massachusetts Colony to 
settle further into New England.  
A thesis in this work amongst others is that this separatist spirituality 
(different than religion) moved in its day following kin and business 
connection often through seaports and then inland.         
MD writes:My tenth Great Grandfather , Ambrose Dixon, was born in London in 
1623. He migrated to James Virginia about 1640. He came over as a ship's 
carpenter.He was a Quaker, living in a predominately Presbyterian community. He 
and a few other Quakers felt discriminated against for their faith and 
petitioned Lord Baltimore to move to Maryland where they were welcomed and 
granted land. I guess you could say he was *in* on the beginnings of the Quaker 
Sect and one of the first in the colonies.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yes, I had wondered this too and chronicled some of it in a subject thread here 
on FFL.  
Often those who were referred to as 'separatists' had quietism as a central 
practice in addition to may be having Ritam Bhara P (inspired) or attending 
spiritual (chakra) energy work (Pietists).  
Maharishi's tenet of 'collective meditation' is most similar to George Fox's 
movement in its day.  
Today someone like Ammachi or Janet Sussman are good examples of the spiritual 
practices of 'piety' at work.  Connie Huebner in Fairfield is a great example 
of the old spiritual line of inspirationists (RPB) coming out of Europe that 
goes way back.  They each blend quietism with their spiritual disciplines.  
It seems that every generation or so another one rises up with their manifest 
spiritual experience and a satsanga may form.   Generations of separatists 
generated a lot of writing that they passed around between each other in and 
across Europe.    
You would proly enjoy scrolling down through these posts on transcendentalist 
European separatists:

423860RE: In Quiet, European ancestral genealogy of transcendentalism
   
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/423860 
 ##

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Does TM have any European antecedents? .  The Quietist Movement arose in the 
Catholic countries: Italy, France, and Spain and is most associated with Miguel 
de Molinos, 1628 - 1696.A parallel type of thinking and practice arose through 
George Fox, but many rudimentary antecedents can be found, for example, some 
practices of certain Gnostics, Cathars, and Meister Eckhart..The online sources 
are using the term "contemplation" (Quietism would be an example). The sources 
use the term "meditation" implying meditation ON various religious images and 
themes including silent repetition of prayers and vocal prayers, as well as 
various religious rituals.  To clarify TM's place in the 17-th century 
controversy, we can isolate the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Knowing that, I guess I can make it another day.:)


  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

My tenth Great Grandfather , Ambrose Dixon, was born in London in 1623. He 
migrated to James Virginia about 1640. He came over as a ship's carpenter.He 
was a Quaker, living in a predominately Presbyterian community. He and a few 
other Quakers felt discriminated against for their faith and petitioned Lord 
Baltimore to move to Maryland where they were welcomed and granted land. I 
guess you could say he was *in* on the beginnings of the Quaker Sect and one of 
the first in the colonies.

It is wonderful that you know this much about your ancestor(s). It is a 
fascinating history and having Quakers in your background makes me forgive you 
your current political leanings (smile).

  From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
 
 George Fox, 1624 - 1691:http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My tenth Great Grandfather , Ambrose Dixon, was born in London in 1623. He 
migrated to James Virginia about 1640. He came over as a ship's carpenter.He 
was a Quaker, living in a predominately Presbyterian community. He and a few 
other Quakers felt discriminated against for their faith and petitioned Lord 
Baltimore to move to Maryland where they were welcomed and granted land. I 
guess you could say he was *in* on the beginnings of the Quaker Sect and one of 
the first in the colonies.

 

 It is wonderful that you know this much about your ancestor(s). It is a 
fascinating history and having Quakers in your background makes me forgive you 
your current political leanings (smile).
 
 


 From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
 
 
   
 George Fox, 1624 - 1691:
 http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9
 

 

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My tenth Great Grandfather , Ambrose Dixon, was born in London in 1623. He 
migrated to James Virginia about 1640. He came over as a ship's carpenter.He 
was a Quaker, living in a predominately Presbyterian community. He and a few 
other Quakers felt discriminated against for their faith and petitioned Lord 
Baltimore to move to Maryland where they were welcomed and granted land. I 
guess you could say he was *in* on the beginnings of the Quaker Sect and one of 
the first in the colonies.


  From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers
   
    George Fox, 1624 - 1691:http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 hell of a problem. I can certainly see 
the POV of the obstructionists, the ones who want to keep doing what they are 
doing, "because that's the way granny sliced the ham...".  

 If I had once been anointed as some sort of gate-keeper by "His Holiness" 
Maharishi, and had not yet awakened to my infinite nature, that would be 
something almost impossible to let go of. With such a  consciousness, it is 
enormously scary to relinquish such power, something that according to the 
psyche of the controlling person, *practically came from God, Himself*, and 
must be kept in place for the person's ongoing salvation. Such an illusion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a worki

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

sion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
di

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

om, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “Or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

alled *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'O

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry on the one 
hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in experience 
would like to see things evolve and work out well for the TM movement.
 

 
 “And there's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution of 
society. ..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing in 
interpretation of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, and 
instruction), that the words (originalist) on the page are all that counts. 
That legislative history, that constitutio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ork that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry on the one 
hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in experience 
would like to see things evolve and work out well for the TM movement.
 

 
 “And there's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution of 
society. ..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing in 
interpretation of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, and 
instruction), that the words (originalist) on the page are all that counts. 
That legislative history, that constitutional history, they don't count much if 
at all. What matters is the intent at the time. To put it most bluntly, "I mean 
what I say and not any more or any less." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Stand

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No doubt. Pretty weird though when a university teaching Self Realization is 
not headed by those having accomplished same. Kind of a recipe for disaster.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The meditating University and the meditating Movement community are 
significant fly-wheels in the local economy here. The University is a 
substantial employer and provider for people in the community. As is, the 
meditating community that has settled and embedded in the local economy here 
along with the University.  
 

 All the economic development agencies should be sitting up (the Chamber of 
Commerce and local, regional, and State economic development types).and be 
proactively asking how it is going up there and if there is anything they can 
do to help mitigate how it is going for the University here.   
 

 It should be a major local economic disturbance where it goes bankrupt, or 
closes for lack of accreditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Thanks for your responses Doug. What a hell of a problem. I can certainly see 
the POV of the obstructionists, the ones who want to keep doing what they are 
doing, "because that's the way granny sliced the ham...".  

 If I had once been anointed as some sort of gate-keeper by "His Holiness" 
Maharishi, and had not yet awakened to my infinite nature, that would be 
something almost impossible to let go of. With such a  consciousness, it is 
enormously scary to relinquish such power, something that according to the 
psyche of the controlling person, *practically came from God, Himself*, and 
must be kept in place for the person's ongoing salvation. Such an illusion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The meditating University and the meditating Movement community are significant 
fly-wheels in the local economy here. The University is a substantial employer 
and provider for people in the community. As is, the meditating community that 
has settled and embedded in the local economy here along with the University.  
 

 All the economic development agencies should be sitting up (the Chamber of 
Commerce and local, regional, and State economic development types).and be 
proactively asking how it is going up there and if there is anything they can 
do to help mitigate how it is going for the University here.   
 

 It should be a major local economic disturbance where it goes bankrupt, or 
closes for lack of accreditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks for your responses Doug. What a hell of a problem. I can certainly see 
the POV of the obstructionists, the ones who want to keep doing what they are 
doing, "because that's the way granny sliced the ham...".  

 If I had once been anointed as some sort of gate-keeper by "His Holiness" 
Maharishi, and had not yet awakened to my infinite nature, that would be 
something almost impossible to let go of. With such a  consciousness, it is 
enormously scary to relinquish such power, something that according to the 
psyche of the controlling person, *practically came from God, Himself*, and 
must be kept in place for the person's ongoing salvation. Such an illusion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM mo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well, you are laying out the "vision of possibilities" that drew so many in. 

 I'm not sure it's worked out that way for everyone, but I will concur that 
stepping upon the spiritual path is indeed fortunate, but not for the faint of 
heart.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's 
teaching.

 Indeed...and yet how much more marvellous are the first rays of early morning 
set against the darkest of nights, with the full brightness of day yet to come! 
Through the line behind the pioneering attitude of MMY has come blessings 
uncountable for all you who have passed on a technique to others for the things 
that cannot be bought: a wonderful peace, calm, joy, hope, stillness within, 
vision, and centred in being the ability to perceive the passing from the real 
- so much! And for some, a new life, a freedom from mental pain and anguish, a 
raising out of confusion and loss, a release from dreadful misery into a 
generous deep gratitude and love. Yes, that was MMY I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's 
teaching.

 Indeed...and yet how much more marvellous are the first rays of early morning 
set against the darkest of nights, with the full brightness of day yet to come! 
Through the line behind the pioneering attitude of MMY has come blessings 
uncountable for all you who have passed on a technique to others for the things 
that cannot be bought: a wonderful peace, calm, joy, hope, stillness within, 
vision, and centred in being the ability to perceive the passing from the real 
- so much! And for some, a new life, a freedom from mental pain and anguish, a 
raising out of confusion and loss, a release from dreadful misery into a 
generous deep gratitude and love. Yes, that was MMY I think. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
 Truth and Consequences, The Sin of the Spin,
 

 Nice post, Upfronter. This is really well written critique as it speaks to the 
dangers we have in our collective story of our communal TM standard of ethics 
as a corporate spiritual group.  
 

 It comes at a good time for what are processes of internal cultural review 
that are going on inside TM right now.  Thanks, makes a good link about the 
consequences of ethic as a leading economic indicator that is mighty pertinent 
right now.   

 

 XO
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
  
 “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra 
selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra 
selection.”
  
 In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age 
and sex and create an illusion that it is something else, i.e. unique and 
created, perhaps by some special yogic power to personally suit the initiate. 
The mantra will work either way but why create this illusion and does it matter?

 

 Now personally I find this quite disturbing because Truth is absolute and 
veering away from Truth by embellishment, exaggeration, trickery or outright 
deception will not be without its natural consequences. Here could be a 
fracture in the overall Organization which is difficult to heal. I see Truth as 
being that which is radiated into ones surroundings from the spiritual being 
within, and so if that Truth is tainted in any way then the radiated spiritual 
vibrations will also fly those tainted colours, as it were, but if the Truth is 
pure then pure vibrations are radiated into the environment.

 

 The NSR people, for instance, tell it “as it is” and the technique works well 
without distortion of any truth. I mention this example because "the end result 
is justified by the means" without embellishment. 

 

 It may be that in a culture where bartering has been the norm for millennia, 
it is expected to create an illusion about the commodity in question in the 
mind of the purchaser or the one receiving the service, in order that the 
highest subjective value is perceived. But when dealing with absolute Truth, as 
a Vedic master claims to do, then creating an illusion separate to the 
existence of the truth in question is questionable for some and nothing short 
of lying for others.
 

 It seems natural for many people that “the end justifies the means”, i.e. 
people learn to meditate so it doesn’t matter if they are tricked or lied to in 
order for this to come about. However, for me personally, I cannot accept this 
apparent truth.
 

 For many, it not only seemed natural for MMY to be justified in "tricking" his 
way into Guru Dev’s life, but, relishing the story as he told thousands of 
people of his little ruse, indicates to me that deception towards a justified 
end is even granted some kind of special status.
 

 The problem, I believe, is that when one accepts all this illusion-creation as 
not only natural but desirable in certain circumstances, then it is not a wise 
thing at all, because not only is Truth distorted from its own natural pure 
flow, but the creator of illusion cannot truly be believed in anything else he 
or she says because it must always be tested as to its content for exaggeration 
or justified deception – at least, this is true for those who perceive an 
injustice in creating an illusion from a specific truth.
 

 For instance, decades ago MMY would say that all a man has to do is meditate 
twice a day and "he will be right". Decades later, MMY is saying that unless a 
man lives in a building based on Vastu Architecture, then that man “will never 
be right, never be right, never be right”. So, to me personally, this is more 
of that ”illusion-creation” which is permitted to be used because “the end 
justifies the means” in the sense that people get to live in such buildings 
which “may” have some special effect but which is probably psychological, and 
also because another MMY project gains a foothold on this planet.
 

 While I do not doubt that some yogic powers have effects not able to be 
explained by science, demonstration of such powers only bolsters secondary 
offerings amongst those willingly accepting everything said from the mouth of a 
master who can conscientiously alter truth to create an untrue illusion (a lie) 
to achieve an end which is beneficial if not purely altruistic. 

 

 So, again for instance, if MMY categorically states that Vedic Astrology 
cannot be challenged as to its authentic ability to interpret current and 
future events and likelihoods, then thousands of people will just accept this 
as unquestionable truth, and so such a such a planet passing through such a 
such a constellation proves that “something dangerous will happen” in such a 
such a country in the months of June and July. And lo and behold, a tremor 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's 
teaching. 

 In the best case, you reconcile it in some manner, and emerge on the other 
side keeping intact some parts, and letting some parts go by the wayside.
 

 Or, in some cases, people become embittered, and set upon trying to tear down 
the whole teaching.

 

 And, it also is a work in progress.  You may find that as, or if, your 
experience grows, your perspective changes as well, and you become a little 
more flexible about what you felt, or feel is the "Truth".
 

 Speaking personally, I think the goal is scale-able, although it may take 
longer than expected and must be coupled with self reflection.
 

 And then, there's always the chance that as you get close, you may decide to 
bail out.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
  
 “I don't recall that on my TTC ('72) that we were trained to be as deceptive 
as upfronter is suggesting.”
  
 I’m sorry if you thought I was suggesting that TM teachers were “trained to be 
as deceptive”. My point, in a nutshell, is that before this practice was ironed 
out (thank you authfriend) MMY thought it quite acceptable to “preserve the 
illusion” of something which was not true. 
  
 I have no gripe against MMY, he has always had my love (and he is often in my 
inner vision). I did expect some defensive reaction as the issues I’ve 
mentioned are passionately in peoples’ hearts. I was simply stating why I 
personally would not be able to accept everything TMO as if there was no 
discussion.
  
 Peace.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
  
 “I don't recall that on my TTC ('72) that we were trained to be as deceptive 
as upfronter is suggesting.”
  
 I’m sorry if you thought I was suggesting that TM teachers were “trained to be 
as deceptive”. My point, in a nutshell, is that before this practice was ironed 
out (thank you authfriend) MMY thought it quite acceptable to “preserve the 
illusion” of something which was not true. 
  
 I have no gripe against MMY, he has always had my love (and he is often in my 
inner vision). I did expect some defensive reaction as the issues I’ve 
mentioned are passionately in peoples’ hearts. I was simply stating why I 
personally would not be able to accept everything TMO as if there was no 
discussion.
  
 Peace.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't recall that on my TTC ('72) that we were trained to be as deceptive as 
upfronter is suggesting. We would say, yes there are a limited number of 
mantras.
 Just as you go into a clothing store and pick an article off of the wrack, 
there are more just like the one you picked  but the one you buy is yours and 
yours alone. We never discussed criteria for selection.
  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <upfronter@...> wrote :

(snip)
Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been 
doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should 
be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they are getting a 
unique mantra that nobody else has. Now, I can understand why this would be 
beneficial, but in my mind, this is not 100% honest. Is such white lie-ing 
really necessary or am I just being unfair or have I got my facts wrong? I 
would prefer to just know the truth, that it is done by age or whatever way it 
is done.

(snip)
FWIW, by the time I learned TM (1975) or very shortly thereafter, they had 
stopped pretending that each person was given a unique mantra. There is at 
least one TMO-published book that's very forthright in affirming that there 
were only a dozen or so mantras used in TM, that many TMers therefore had the 
same mantra, and that it was chosen based on simple information from the 
application form. I don't think the book said explicitly that the information 
was age and sex, but this had filtered out and was generally known.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
  
 “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra 
selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra 
selection.”
  
 In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age 
and sex and create an illusion that it is something else, i.e. unique and 
created, perhaps by some special yogic power to personally suit the initiate. 
The mantra will work either way but why create this illusion and does it matter?

 

 Now personally I find this quite disturbing because Truth is absolute and 
veering away from Truth by embellishment, exaggeration, trickery or outright 
deception will not be without its natural consequences. Here could be a 
fracture in the overall Organization which is difficult to heal. I see Truth as 
being that which is radiated into ones surroundings from the spiritual being 
within, and so if that Truth is tainted in any way then the radiated spiritual 
vibrations will also fly those tainted colours, as it were, but if the Truth is 
pure then pure vibrations are radiated into the environment.

 

 The NSR people, for instance, tell it “as it is” and the technique works well 
without distortion of any truth. I mention this example because "the end result 
is justified by the means" without embellishment. 

 

 It may be that in a culture where bartering has been the norm for millennia, 
it is expected to create an illusion about the commodity in question in the 
mind of the purchaser or the one receiving the service, in order that the 
highest subjective value is perceived. But when dealing with absolute Truth, as 
a Vedic master claims to do, then creating an illusion separate to the 
existence of the truth in question is questionable for some and nothing short 
of lying for others.
 

 It seems natural for many people that “the end justifies the means”, i.e. 
people learn to meditate so it doesn’t matter if they are tricked or lied to in 
order for this to come about. However, for me personally, I cannot accept this 
apparent truth.
 

 For many, it not only seemed natural for MMY to be justified in "tricking" his 
way into Guru Dev’s life, but, relishing the story as he told thousands of 
people of his little ruse, indicates to me that deception towards a justified 
end is even granted some kind of special status.
 

 The problem, I believe, is that when one accepts all this illusion-creation as 
not only natural but desirable in certain circumstances, then it is not a wise 
thing at all, because not only is Truth distorted from its own natural pure 
flow, but the creator of illusion cannot truly be believed in anything else he 
or she says because it must always be tested as to its content for exaggeration 
or justified deception – at least, this is true for those who perceive an 
injustice in creating an illusion from a specific truth.
 

 For instance, decades ago MMY would say that all a man has to do is meditate 
twice a day and "he will be right". Decades later, MMY is saying that unless a 
man lives in a building based on Vastu Architecture, then that man “will never 
be right, never be right, never be right”. So, to me personally, this is more 
of that ”illusion-creation” which is permitted to be used because “the end 
justifies the means” in the sense that people get to live in such buildings 
which “may” have some special effect but which is probably psychological, and 
also because another MMY project gains a foothold on this planet.
 

 While I do not doubt that some yogic powers have effects not able to be 
explained by science, demonstration of such powers only bolsters secondary 
offerings amongst those willingly accepting everything said from the mouth of a 
master who can conscientiously alter truth to create an untrue illusion (a lie) 
to achieve an end which is beneficial if not purely altruistic. 

 

 So, again for instance, if MMY categorically states that Vedic Astrology 
cannot be challenged as to its authentic ability to interpret current and 
future events and likelihoods, then thousands of people will just accept this 
as unquestionable truth, and so such a such a planet passing through such a 
such a constellation proves that “something dangerous will happen” in such a 
such a country in the months of June and July. And lo and behold, a tremor 
occurs in said country in those months and this of course verifies Vedic 
Astrology because the power behind the suggestion turns the desire and mind 
towards specifics rather than generalisations – it becomes true.
 

 I thank MMY yogi and Guru Dev and all the disciplic line for the priceless 
gift of meditation, but the trappings that are bolstered through the powerful 
results of meditation stay in the illusory sphere for me personally, and my 
participation in events based on such trappings which are accepted as fact, 
such as Vedic Astrology will probably be negatively 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 

 Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been 
doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should 
be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they are getting a 
unique mantra that nobody else has. Now, I can understand why this would be 
beneficial, but in my mind, this is not 100% honest. Is such white lie-ing 
really necessary or am I just being unfair or have I got my facts wrong? I 
would prefer to just know the truth, that it is done by age or whatever way it 
is done.

 

 (snip)
 

 FWIW, by the time I learned TM (1975) or very shortly thereafter, they had 
stopped pretending that each person was given a unique mantra. There is at 
least one TMO-published book that's very forthright in affirming that there 
were only a dozen or so mantras used in TM, that many TMers therefore had the 
same mantra, and that it was chosen based on simple information from the 
application form. I don't think the book said explicitly that the information 
was age and sex, but this had filtered out and was generally known.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I remember when I learned TM so many years ago that the mantra, in terms of 
meaning and origin, was not discussed at all, nor was I particularly interested 
in the details, as long as it worked. It was *the correct use* of the mantra, 
the delicacy of its implementation, that was emphasized.  

 It doesn't effect the usefulness of the technique one way or another to 
quibble about its founder, just as the light-bulb in the socket continues to 
shine brightly, regardless of what Thomas Edison's quirks may have been. Your 
argument that one creative interpretation spoils the entire body of knowledge 
doesn't hold up either, as people continue to learn TM and thrive from it, 
regardless. 
 

 It does sound like you have a bone to pick with selective things that 
Maharishi said though. Best to take it all with a grain of salt while 
continuing the practice, and remember that the goal of TM is to open us up to 
ourselves, not to get wrapped up in what Maharishi said or did not say; TM is 
for you, not him.:-)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
  
 “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra 
selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra 
selection.”
  
 In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age 
and sex and create an illusion that it is something else, i.e. unique and 
created, perhaps by some special yogic power to personally suit the initiate. 
The mantra will work either way but why create this illusion and does it matter?

 

 Now personally I find this quite disturbing because Truth is absolute and 
veering away from Truth by embellishment, exaggeration, trickery or outright 
deception will not be without its natural consequences. Here could be a 
fracture in the overall Organization which is difficult to heal. I see Truth as 
being that which is radiated into ones surroundings from the spiritual being 
within, and so if that Truth is tainted in any way then the radiated spiritual 
vibrations will also fly those tainted colours, as it were, but if the Truth is 
pure then pure vibrations are radiated into the environment.

 

 The NSR people, for instance, tell it “as it is” and the technique works well 
without distortion of any truth. I mention this example because "the end result 
is justified by the means" without embellishment. 

 

 It may be that in a culture where bartering has been the norm for millennia, 
it is expected to create an illusion about the commodity in question in the 
mind of the purchaser or the one receiving the service, in order that the 
highest subjective value is perceived. But when dealing with absolute Truth, as 
a Vedic master claims to do, then creating an illusion separate to the 
existence of the truth in question is questionable for some and nothing short 
of lying for others.
 

 It seems natural for many people that “the end justifies the means”, i.e. 
people learn to meditate so it doesn’t matter if they are tricked or lied to in 
order for this to come about. However, for me personally, I cannot accept this 
apparent truth.
 

 For many, it not only seemed natural for MMY to be justified in "tricking" his 
way into Guru Dev’s life, but, relishing the story as he told thousands of 
people of his little ruse, indicates to me that deception towards a justified 
end is even granted some kind of special status.
 

 The problem, I believe, is that when one accepts all this illusion-creation as 
not only natural but desirable in certain circumstances, then it is not a wise 
thing at all, because not only is Truth distorted from its own natural pure 
flow, but the creator of illusion cannot truly be believed in anything else he 
or she says because it must always be tested as to its content for exaggeration 
or justified deception – at least, this is true for those who perceive an 
injustice in creating an illusion from a specific truth.
 

 For instance, decades ago MMY would say that all a man has to do is meditate 
twice a day and "he will be right". Decades later, MMY is saying that unless a 
man lives in a building based on Vastu Architecture, then that man “will never 
be right, never be right, never be right”. So, to me personally, this is more 
of that ”illusion-creation” which is permitted to be used because “the end 
justifies the means” in the sense that people get to live in such buildings 
which “may” have some special effect but which is probably psychological, and 
also because another MMY project gains a foothold on this planet.
 

 While I do not doubt that some yogic powers have effects not able to be 
explained by science, demonstration of such powers only bolsters secondary 
offerings amongst those willingly accepting everything said from the mouth of a 
master who can conscientiously alter truth to create an untrue illusion (a lie) 
to achieve an end which is beneficial if not purely altruistic. 

 

 So, again for instance, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
  
 “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra 
selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra 
selection.”
  
 In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age 
and sex and create an illusion that it is something else, i.e. unique and 
created, perhaps by some special yogic power to personally suit the initiate. 
The mantra will work either way but why create this illusion and does it matter?

 

 Now personally I find this quite disturbing because Truth is absolute and 
veering away from Truth by embellishment, exaggeration, trickery or outright 
deception will not be without its natural consequences. Here could be a 
fracture in the overall Organization which is difficult to heal. I see Truth as 
being that which is radiated into ones surroundings from the spiritual being 
within, and so if that Truth is tainted in any way then the radiated spiritual 
vibrations will also fly those tainted colours, as it were, but if the Truth is 
pure then pure vibrations are radiated into the environment.

 

 The NSR people, for instance, tell it “as it is” and the technique works well 
without distortion of any truth. I mention this example because "the end result 
is justified by the means" without embellishment. 

 

 It may be that in a culture where bartering has been the norm for millennia, 
it is expected to create an illusion about the commodity in question in the 
mind of the purchaser or the one receiving the service, in order that the 
highest subjective value is perceived. But when dealing with absolute Truth, as 
a Vedic master claims to do, then creating an illusion separate to the 
existence of the truth in question is questionable for some and nothing short 
of lying for others.
 

 It seems natural for many people that “the end justifies the means”, i.e. 
people learn to meditate so it doesn’t matter if they are tricked or lied to in 
order for this to come about. However, for me personally, I cannot accept this 
apparent truth.
 

 For many, it not only seemed natural for MMY to be justified in "tricking" his 
way into Guru Dev’s life, but, relishing the story as he told thousands of 
people of his little ruse, indicates to me that deception towards a justified 
end is even granted some kind of special status.
 

 The problem, I believe, is that when one accepts all this illusion-creation as 
not only natural but desirable in certain circumstances, then it is not a wise 
thing at all, because not only is Truth distorted from its own natural pure 
flow, but the creator of illusion cannot truly be believed in anything else he 
or she says because it must always be tested as to its content for exaggeration 
or justified deception – at least, this is true for those who perceive an 
injustice in creating an illusion from a specific truth.
 

 For instance, decades ago MMY would say that all a man has to do is meditate 
twice a day and "he will be right". Decades later, MMY is saying that unless a 
man lives in a building based on Vastu Architecture, then that man “will never 
be right, never be right, never be right”. So, to me personally, this is more 
of that ”illusion-creation” which is permitted to be used because “the end 
justifies the means” in the sense that people get to live in such buildings 
which “may” have some special effect but which is probably psychological, and 
also because another MMY project gains a foothold on this planet.
 

 While I do not doubt that some yogic powers have effects not able to be 
explained by science, demonstration of such powers only bolsters secondary 
offerings amongst those willingly accepting everything said from the mouth of a 
master who can conscientiously alter truth to create an untrue illusion (a lie) 
to achieve an end which is beneficial if not purely altruistic. 

 

 So, again for instance, if MMY categorically states that Vedic Astrology 
cannot be challenged as to its authentic ability to interpret current and 
future events and likelihoods, then thousands of people will just accept this 
as unquestionable truth, and so such a such a planet passing through such a 
such a constellation proves that “something dangerous will happen” in such a 
such a country in the months of June and July. And lo and behold, a tremor 
occurs in said country in those months and this of course verifies Vedic 
Astrology because the power behind the suggestion turns the desire and mind 
towards specifics rather than generalisations – it becomes true.
 

 I thank MMY yogi and Guru Dev and all the disciplic line for the priceless 
gift of meditation, but the trappings that are bolstered through the powerful 
results of meditation stay in the illusory sphere for me personally, and my 
participation in events based on such trappings which are accepted as fact, 
such as Vedic Astrology will probably be negatively affected.
 

 Peace!

  
  
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

yep, TM wasn't designed for a required support structure, beyond those first 
days of checking. A very wise move by Maharishi, and unique so far as I can 
tell among the many offerings out there. It is truly a "householder's" 
technique, and far more helpful than a bunch of crutches.:-)  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I sincerely thank the disciplic line responsible for the meditation that has 
brought me to a world in this world that I could not even have dreamt of. How 
grateful am I!
 

 However, I do not agree with much of the certain knowledge spoken by the 
masters that comes from the East except in parallel principle. For example, I 
do not believe in ever-recurring earthly reincarnation, but rather believe that 
a spirit can help and aid a being in the flesh many hundreds of years before 
incarnating themselves (just one incarnation), hence sometimes a fragment of a 
memory is forced through to the marvellous lump of intricately woven fat we 
call the brain, and it seems to that person that he or she has lived before on 
earth in a body of flesh. 

 

 There are a number of teachings of Maharishi for which I have similar 
alternative reasoning which makes more sense to me and which I feel is of a 
more certain source. This is one reason I simply can never be someone who 
believes every word that comes from the lips of a master.
 

 As I have had nothing to do with the TM Movement since 1985, I now see that 
Britain (or is it England) somehow upset Maharishi for a while. Am I correct in 
this? If so, what is so bad about the British compared to others nations? I 
heard MMY in an interview with a pushy Australian interviewer and I’m sure I 
heard MMY blaming the British again for bad things in that country? Perhaps I 
have misheard but I was getting the impression that MMY harboured some kind of 
dislike of a race, perhaps because it played a part in moving India away from 
its existing ideals and culture?
 

 Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been 
doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should 
be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they are getting a 
unique mantra that nobody else has. Now, I can understand why this would be 
beneficial, but in my mind, this is not 100% honest. Is such white lie-ing 
really necessary or am I just being unfair or have I got my facts wrong? I 
would prefer to just know the truth, that it is done by age or whatever way it 
is done.

 

 I wanted to find MMY perfect and omniscient, but this kind of thing leads me 
to believe that I am not wrong to disbelieve the absolute truths that masters 
speak. So it would seem that in FFL speak, I am a “non-believer”. While I do 
love the people I knew in the Movement and relished being among them, I really 
would find it impossible to sit there and listen to everything I hear from the 
leaders if they are what I understand to be “true believers” for the reasons I 
have given.
 

 Peace! So much gratitude for my meditation technique!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good narrative, Upfront.  By definition it sounds like you are a practitioner 
who simply has come to have faith in the practice based on experience with it, 
spiritually.  That is different than the tru-believers who seem to make 
something cultural out of their time with it, like a religion.  This difference 
seems to have become a problem within TM between the would-be religious TM’ers 
and people who are just practitioners spiritually.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I sincerely thank the disciplic line responsible for the meditation that has 
brought me to a world in this world that I could not even have dreamt of. How 
grateful am I!
 

 However, I do not agree with much of the certain knowledge spoken by the 
masters that comes from the East except in parallel principle. For example, I 
do not believe in ever-recurring earthly reincarnation, but rather believe that 
a spirit can help and aid a being in the flesh many hundreds of years before 
incarnating themselves (just one incarnation), hence sometimes a fragment of a 
memory is forced through to the marvellous lump of intricately woven fat we 
call the brain, and it seems to that person that he or she has lived before on 
earth in a body of flesh. 

 

 There are a number of teachings of Maharishi for which I have similar 
alternative reasoning which makes more sense to me and which I feel is of a 
more certain source. This is one reason I simply can never be someone who 
believes every word that comes from the lips of a master.
 

 As I have had nothing to do with the TM Movement since 1985, I now see that 
Britain (or is it England) somehow upset Maharishi for a while. Am I correct in 
this? If so, what is so bad about the British compared to others nations? I 
heard MMY in an interview with a pushy Australian interviewer and I’m sure I 
heard MMY blaming the British again for bad things in that country? Perhaps I 
have misheard but I was getting the impression that MMY harboured some kind of 
dislike of a race, perhaps because it played a part in moving India away from 
its existing ideals and culture?
 

 Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been 
doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should 
be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they are getting a 
unique mantra that nobody else has. Now, I can understand why this would be 
beneficial, but in my mind, this is not 100% honest. Is such white lie-ing 
really necessary or am I just being unfair or have I got my facts wrong? I 
would prefer to just know the truth, that it is done by age or whatever way it 
is done.

 

 I wanted to find MMY perfect and omniscient, but this kind of thing leads me 
to believe that I am not wrong to disbelieve the absolute truths that masters 
speak. So it would seem that in FFL speak, I am a “non-believer”. While I do 
love the people I knew in the Movement and relished being among them, I really 
would find it impossible to sit there and listen to everything I hear from the 
leaders if they are what I understand to be “true believers” for the reasons I 
have given.
 

 Peace! So much gratitude for my meditation technique!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]]

I sincerely thank the disciplic line responsible for the meditation that has 
brought me to a world in this world that I could not even have dreamt of. How 
grateful am I!
 

 However, I do not agree with much of the certain knowledge spoken by the 
masters that comes from the East except in parallel principle. For example, I 
do not believe in ever-recurring earthly reincarnation, but rather believe that 
a spirit can help and aid a being in the flesh many hundreds of years before 
incarnating themselves (just one incarnation), hence sometimes a fragment of a 
memory is forced through to the marvellous lump of intricately woven fat we 
call the brain, and it seems to that person that he or she has lived before on 
earth in a body of flesh. 

 

 There are a number of teachings of Maharishi for which I have similar 
alternative reasoning which makes more sense to me and which I feel is of a 
more certain source. This is one reason I simply can never be someone who 
believes every word that comes from the lips of a master.
 

 As I have had nothing to do with the TM Movement since 1985, I now see that 
Britain (or is it England) somehow upset Maharishi for a while. Am I correct in 
this? If so, what is so bad about the British compared to others nations? I 
heard MMY in an interview with a pushy Australian interviewer and I’m sure I 
heard MMY blaming the British again for bad things in that country? Perhaps I 
have misheard but I was getting the impression that MMY harboured some kind of 
dislike of a race, perhaps because it played a part in moving India away from 
its existing ideals and culture?
 

 Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been 
doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should 
be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they are getting a 
unique mantra that nobody else has. Now, I can understand why this would be 
beneficial, but in my mind, this is not 100% honest. Is such white lie-ing 
really necessary or am I just being unfair or have I got my facts wrong? I 
would prefer to just know the truth, that it is done by age or whatever way it 
is done.

 

 I wanted to find MMY perfect and omniscient, but this kind of thing leads me 
to believe that I am not wrong to disbelieve the absolute truths that masters 
speak. So it would seem that in FFL speak, I am a “non-believer”. While I do 
love the people I knew in the Movement and relished being among them, I really 
would find it impossible to sit there and listen to everything I hear from the 
leaders if they are what I understand to be “true believers” for the reasons I 
have given.
 

 Peace! So much gratitude for my meditation technique! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for your responses Doug. What a hell of a problem. I can certainly see 
the POV of the obstructionists, the ones who want to keep doing what they are 
doing, "because that's the way granny sliced the ham...".  

 If I had once been anointed as some sort of gate-keeper by "His Holiness" 
Maharishi, and had not yet awakened to my infinite nature, that would be 
something almost impossible to let go of. With such a  consciousness, it is 
enormously scary to relinquish such power, something that according to the 
psyche of the controlling person, *practically came from God, Himself*, and 
must be kept in place for the person's ongoing salvation. Such an illusion is 
very tough to see, much less confront and see through.
 

 The issue with a spiritual community modeled around the personality of a 
single teacher, is when that teacher is no longer there, the model crumbles. 
There is no precedent to follow wrt integrating such knowledge into the real 
world, unless it comes from the teacher. In any other venue, politics, 
business, military, religion, there are track records based on measurable 
objectives, to guide the organization after the leader is gone. But in a  
spiritual community the only thing that continues is the relative power of the 
individuals, at the time of the leader's passing. Unless they are able to work 
cooperatively, or a single person rises to take the founder's place, the 
organization will wither.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 

 Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why concern ourselves?  Because,it is a fully functioning university and 
facility right now and it would be a horrible terrible local disruption for a 
lot of good people who live here if it lost its accreditation, went bankrupt 
and closed. 
 

 Everyone who lives here should be very interested in how it is going for the 
movement and MUM up there.  There should be a lot more proactive mediating of 
what is going on there for its welfare for the whole community for a lot of 
good reasons here locally.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 “.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there on campus 
and how it is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constituti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

“.. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue 
the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 
 

 Why bother with the University or the community Dome meditation up there? Why?
 

 People should be very interested in how they are behaving up there and how it 
is going for them.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In Fairf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right now a lot of the wrangling that is going on inside TM is about survival.  
So it is with the life of the meditating university here. What is going on 
inside is substantial right now and will effect a lot of people one way or 
another.  Capable people should be interested right now in how it is going. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :


 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

well, good luck.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
   
    Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.    
The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community.     -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 
  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:“..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with 
the times, doesn't move with the society.”  “He (Scalia) was its most fierce 
proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean that he prevailed. Not 
everybody on the court agreed with him, including many of the conservatives on 
some issues. And so while he was its principal proponent and theoretician, he 
didn't win a great deal of the time because he was not a consensus-builder. 
Other people were more willing to compromise than he was. He would have called 
that "faux-conservatism."”

"The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia

Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy
|  |
|  | |  | Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... NPR's 
Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not living but 
dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te... |  |
| View on www.npr.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

“Originalism,as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in 
theConstitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
ConservativeTM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
asan enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, andit needs 
to stay that way.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

'Originalism',this becomes a useful critique for distingu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Om no, no.  The process is bringing light to what evidently has been a dark 
elusive area. The light will enlighten things around all of this.  For some who 
do not like change this may feel like it is schismatic but change could be very 
expansive as meditators will come to this school, graduate and leave having had 
very positive experiences with it all in total while they were here.
 

 The changes in the works are very exciting.  It is time, this is timely.  This 
has to be about more than survival and endurance but expansion.  There is 
general agreement in consensus on that and only a few rigid holdouts against 
progressing.  The next four or five months will be arduous getting there and 
may not be for the faint of heart.  This is glorious work that is being done 
here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
   
    'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the 
religious faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of 
strict preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on 
the other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out 
well for the TM movement.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 
  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:“..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with 
the times, doesn't move with the society.”  “He (Scalia) was its most fierce 
proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean that he prevailed. Not 
everybody on the court agreed with him, including many of the conservatives on 
some issues. And so while he was its principal proponent and theoretician, he 
didn't win a great deal of the time because he was not a consensus-builder. 
Other people were more willing to compromise than he was. He would have called 
that "faux-conservatism."”

"The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia

Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy
|  |
|  | |  | Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... NPR's 
Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not living but 
dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te... |  |
| View on www.npr.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

“Originalism,as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in 
theConstitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
ConservativeTM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
asan enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, andit needs 
to stay that way.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

'Originalism',this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the 
religiousfaith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry 
onthe one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in 
experiencewould like to see things evolve and work out well for the TMmovement.
“Andthere's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution ofsociety. 
..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing ininterpretation 
of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, andinstruction), that the 
words (originalist) on the page are all thatcounts. That legislative history, 
that constitutional history, theydon't count much if at all. What matters is 
the intent at the time.To put it most bluntly, "I mean what I say and not any 
more orany less." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Standing like ConstitutionalOriginal-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist 
TM'ers inside TM atthe top for decades have contended and winnowed things 
downfundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those whohave 
'faith and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leaveus alone”.
That wish, that people without'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to be 
taken apart andlooked at to see how it 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict 
preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the 
other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well 
for the TM movement.

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 


 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry on the one 
hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in experience 
would like to see things evolve and work out well for the TM movement.
 

 
 “And there's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution of 
society. ..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing in 
interpretation of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, and 
instruction), that the words (originalist) on the page are all that counts. 
That legislative history, that constitutional history, they don't count much if 
at all. What matters is the intent at the time. To put it most bluntly, "I mean 
what I say and not any more or any less." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Standing like Constitutional Original-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist 
TM'ers inside TM at the top for decades have contended and winnowed things down 
fundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those who have 'faith 
and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leave us alone”.
 

 That wish, that people without 'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to 
be taken apart and looked at to see how it has 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would think that dwindling numbers might cause a little self introspection. 
But then, maybe their problem is that they don't think they have a *little 
self* to introspect..


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
   
    Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:“..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with 
the times, doesn't move with the society.”  “He (Scalia) was its most fierce 
proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean that he prevailed. Not 
everybody on the court agreed with him, including many of the conservatives on 
some issues. And so while he was its principal proponent and theoretician, he 
didn't win a great deal of the time because he was not a consensus-builder. 
Other people were more willing to compromise than he was. He would have called 
that "faux-conservatism."”

"The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia

Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy
|  |
|  | |  | Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... NPR's 
Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not living but 
dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te... |  |
| View on www.npr.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

“Originalism,as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in 
theConstitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
ConservativeTM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
asan enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, andit needs 
to stay that way.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

'Originalism',this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the 
religiousfaith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry 
onthe one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in 
experiencewould like to see things evolve and work out well for the TMmovement.
“Andthere's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution ofsociety. 
..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing ininterpretation 
of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, andinstruction), that the 
words (originalist) on the page are all thatcounts. That legislative history, 
that constitutional history, theydon't count much if at all. What matters is 
the intent at the time.To put it most bluntly, "I mean what I say and not any 
more orany less." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Standing like ConstitutionalOriginal-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist 
TM'ers inside TM atthe top for decades have contended and winnowed things 
downfundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those whohave 
'faith and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leaveus alone”.
That wish, that people without'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to be 
taken apart andlooked at to see how it has actually gone down. A lot of 
meditatorshave come and left and some lot of meditators have stayed on fortheir 
own good reasons. Clearly the Dome group meditation numbers are really tiny.  
Donations to the University and undergraduate enrollment tight.  Has Bevan 
gotten his wish? That those who 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends 
live here.  I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how 
they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?

 
 


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 
   
 I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but 
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:
 “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, 
doesn't move with the society.” 
  
 “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that 
didn't mean that he prevailed. Not everybody on the court agreed with him, 
including many of the conservatives on some issues. And so while he was its 
principal proponent and theoretician, he didn't win a great deal of the time 
because he was not a consensus-builder. Other people were more willing to 
compromise than he was. He would have called that "faux-conservatism."”
 

 

 "The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia
 

 

 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 
 Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... 
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 NPR's Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not 
living but dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te...


 
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http://www.npr.org/2016/02/14/466744465/originalism-a-primer-on-scalias-constitutional-philosophy
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the 
Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
 

 Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it 
needs to stay that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious 
faith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry on the one 
hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in experience 
would like to see things evolve and work out well for the TM movement.
 

 
 “And there's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution of 
society. ..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing in 
interpretation of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, and 
instruction), that the words (originalist) on the page are all that counts. 
That legislative history, that constitutional history, they don't count much if 
at all. What matters is the intent at the time. To put it most bluntly, "I mean 
what I say and not any more or any less." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Standing like Constitutional Original-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist 
TM'ers inside TM at the top for decades have contended and winnowed things down 
fundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those who have 'faith 
and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leave us alone”.
 

 That wish, that people without 'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to 
be taken apart and looked at to see how it has actually gone down. A lot of 
meditators have come and left and some lot of meditators have stayed on for 
their own good reasons. Clearly the Dome group meditation numbers are really 
tiny.  Donations to the University and undergraduate enrollment tight.  Has 
Bevan gotten his wish? That those who do not have 'faith-and-belief in 
Maharishi', “..should leave and leave us alone”?
 

 

 “Be careful what you wish for 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i 
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't 
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
   
    I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement 
but this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing 
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement 
community.  It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM 
preservationists:“..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with 
the times, doesn't move with the society.”  “He (Scalia) was its most fierce 
proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean that he prevailed. Not 
everybody on the court agreed with him, including many of the conservatives on 
some issues. And so while he was its principal proponent and theoretician, he 
didn't win a great deal of the time because he was not a consensus-builder. 
Other people were more willing to compromise than he was. He would have called 
that "faux-conservatism."”

"The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I 
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less 
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."  
-Antonin Scalia

Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy
|  |
|  | |  | Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Phi... NPR's 
Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not living but 
dead" transformed the Supreme Court during Antonin Scalia's te... |  |
| View on www.npr.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

“Originalism,as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in 
theConstitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
ConservativeTM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did 
asan enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, andit needs 
to stay that way.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

'Originalism',this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the 
religiousfaith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry 
onthe one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in 
experiencewould like to see things evolve and work out well for the TMmovement.
“Andthere's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution ofsociety. 
..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing ininterpretation 
of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, andinstruction), that the 
words (originalist) on the page are all thatcounts. That legislative history, 
that constitutional history, theydon't count much if at all. What matters is 
the intent at the time.To put it most bluntly, "I mean what I say and not any 
more orany less." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Standing like ConstitutionalOriginal-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist 
TM'ers inside TM atthe top for decades have contended and winnowed things 
downfundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those whohave 
'faith and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leaveus alone”.
That wish, that people without'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to be 
taken apart andlooked at to see how it has actually gone down. A lot of 
meditatorshave come and left and some lot of meditators have stayed on fortheir 
own good reasons. Clearly the Dome group meditation numbers are really tiny.  
Donations to the University and undergraduate enrollment tight.  Has Bevan 
gotten his wish? That those who do not have'faith-and-belief in Maharishi', 
“..should leave and leave usalone”?

 “Becareful what you wish for in this world, for if you wish hard enoughyou are 
sure to get it. I once heard a very wise many say this, andthe longer I live 
the more firmly I believe it to be true.”TheAtlantic monthly,Volume 67. 
1891.http://jamie.workingagenda.com/blog/2010/06/12/who-said-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In zeal as 'Original-ists' having stoodin way of progressive elements also in 
the TM movement community thisis a lot like Scalia's camp has been on the 
Supreme Court inrestraining and obstructing societal evolution.The difference 
evidently is that thoughthere are a lot of opinions and feelings about how it 
should go forTM and many have 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That was the main purpose of the federal government, defense, justice and 
promotion of interstate commerce.


  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 4:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, 
The TM Movement Community
   
    Thanks for the info on your background. Fascinating where we come from, and 
you've traced it back quite a ways. I find each of the states quite distinct as 
it is, a very different feel for each one, so the laboratory seems to be 
working. Inevitably though, a management layer must be imposed, for issues like 
national defense, domestic infrastructure, and civil rights, and with authority 
comes power, and here we are. Good point about religion too - it will probably 
always be a messy topic, though far preferable to a nationally imposed religion 
or the banning of them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Original intent was that the federal government would be very limited. The 
states would have all power not granted to the federal government by virtue of 
the tenth amendment. That way, each state would be it's own laboratory of 
freedom. States would be able to *borrow* what worked from each other and 
discard that which didn't. If individuals didn't like the laws of their state, 
then they could move to a state that they liked.
My tenth great grandfather came from London in 1640 and settled in James 
Virginia. He stayed a while but later felt discriminated against since he was a 
Quaker and the rest of the community was Presbyterian or Episcopalian.  He and 
some other Quakers petitioned Lord Baltimore in Maryland  to resettle there  
and were welcomed. A lot of laws in each colony were based on the will of the 
community, which had it's roots in their religious preference. Maryland tended 
to be more Catholic who were more tolerant of those *weird* Quakers. Each state 
 had majority and minority religions. Of course, majority ruled. 

 The *separation of church and state* issue that evolved  was not intended to 
create a secular society but to keep one religion from dominating the whole 
country as was the custom in Europe. The federal government would not establish 
a state religion/church that could interfere with the will of the people in 
each state.
  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" :

My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal 
structure.
Here in the UK you can foul the atmosphere in a pub by asking if someone is for 
or against fox hunting/the ban on handguns/the smoking ban/ . . . 
I always say: "What? Little old me rule on such a complex issue?" I hold that 
individual local authorities should be left to decide what laws apply in their 
area. True diversity! And ultimately it comes down to local democracy.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.


  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, 
ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <s3raphita@...> wrote :

"Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense. 
If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?

The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
clearly at odds with the obvious reading doesn't bode well.



  #yiv3208373917 #yiv3208373917 -- #yiv3208373917ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid 
#d8d8d8;fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for the info on your background. Fascinating where we come from, and 
you've traced it back quite a ways.   I find each of the states quite distinct 
as it is, a very different feel for each one, so the laboratory seems to be 
working. Inevitably though, a management layer must be imposed, for issues like 
national defense, domestic infrastructure, and civil rights, and with authority 
comes power, and here we are. Good point about religion too - it will probably 
always be a messy topic, though far preferable to a nationally imposed religion 
or the banning of them. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Original intent was that the federal government would be very limited. The 
states would have all power not granted to the federal government by virtue of 
the tenth amendment. That way, each state would be it's own laboratory of 
freedom. States would be able to *borrow* what worked from each other and 
discard that which didn't. If individuals didn't like the laws of their state, 
then they could move to a state that they liked.
 
 My tenth great grandfather came from London in 1640 and settled in James 
Virginia. He stayed a while but later felt discriminated against since he was a 
Quaker and the rest of the community was Presbyterian or Episcopalian.  He and 
some other Quakers petitioned Lord Baltimore in Maryland  to resettle there  
and were welcomed. A lot of laws in each colony were based on the will of the 
community, which had it's roots in their religious preference. Maryland tended 
to be more Catholic who were more tolerant of those *weird* Quakers. Each state 
 had majority and minority religions. Of course, majority ruled. 

 

 The *separation of church and state* issue that evolved  was not intended to 
create a secular society but to keep one religion from dominating the whole 
country as was the custom in Europe. The federal government would not establish 
a state religion/church that could interfere with the will of the people in 
each state.

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 
   Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" :

 

 My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal 
structure.
 

 Here in the UK you can foul the atmosphere in a pub by asking if someone is 
for or against fox hunting/the ban on handguns/the smoking ban/ . . . 
 

 I always say: "What? Little old me rule on such a complex issue?" I hold that 
individual local authorities should be left to decide what laws apply in their 
area. True diversity! And ultimately it comes down to local democracy.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.
 
 


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted 
constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
 

 But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
 

 Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense.  

 If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?
 

 The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
clearly at odds with the obvious reading doesn't bode well.






 


 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Coincidentally a constitutional scholar happened to contact me separately last 
night by e-mail asking, “..how is it going here in Fairfield?” He is an 
academic who reads all the Supreme Court opinions and edits for law review 
journals. He happens also to have a scholarly interest in historic spiritual 
communal groups like ours in Fairfield, Iowa. 
 
 
 The guy teaches at the graduate level and is someone who I have met out at 
conferences who has kept in contact about the 'historic' story evolving here in 
Fairfield.
 

 
 I'll go back a few posts in to this 'TM Originalists as strict 
preservationists v evolving and progressive practitioners in the movement' by 
'Originalism' analogy thread and send him some links. He'll appreciate it and 
likely send some thoughts along.
 -JaiGuruYou
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Original intent was that the federal government would be very limited. The 
states would have all power not granted to the federal government by virtue of 
the tenth amendment. That way, each state would be it's own laboratory of 
freedom. States would be able to *borrow* what worked from each other and 
discard that which didn't. If individuals didn't like the laws of their state, 
then they could move to a state that they liked.
 
 My tenth great grandfather came from London in 1640 and settled in James 
Virginia. He stayed a while but later felt discriminated against since he was a 
Quaker and the rest of the community was Presbyterian or Episcopalian.  He and 
some other Quakers petitioned Lord Baltimore in Maryland  to resettle there  
and were welcomed. A lot of laws in each colony were based on the will of the 
community, which had it's roots in their religious preference. Maryland tended 
to be more Catholic who were more tolerant of those *weird* Quakers. Each state 
 had majority and minority religions. Of course, majority ruled. 

 

 The *separation of church and state* issue that evolved  was not intended to 
create a secular society but to keep one religion from dominating the whole 
country as was the custom in Europe. The federal government would not establish 
a state religion/church that could interfere with the will of the people in 
each state.

 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 
   Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" :

 

 My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal 
structure.
 

 Here in the UK you can foul the atmosphere in a pub by asking if someone is 
for or against fox hunting/the ban on handguns/the smoking ban/ . . . 
 

 I always say: "What? Little old me rule on such a complex issue?" I hold that 
individual local authorities should be left to decide what laws apply in their 
area. True diversity! And ultimately it comes down to local democracy.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.
 
 


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community

 
   Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted 
constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
 

 But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
 

 Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense.  

 If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?
 

 The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
clearly at odds with the obvious reading doesn't bode well.






 


 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Original intent was that the federal government would be very limited. The 
states would have all power not granted to the federal government by virtue of 
the tenth amendment. That way, each state would be it's own laboratory of 
freedom. States would be able to *borrow* what worked from each other and 
discard that which didn't. If individuals didn't like the laws of their state, 
then they could move to a state that they liked.
My tenth great grandfather came from London in 1640 and settled in James 
Virginia. He stayed a while but later felt discriminated against since he was a 
Quaker and the rest of the community was Presbyterian or Episcopalian.  He and 
some other Quakers petitioned Lord Baltimore in Maryland  to resettle there  
and were welcomed. A lot of laws in each colony were based on the will of the 
community, which had it's roots in their religious preference. Maryland tended 
to be more Catholic who were more tolerant of those *weird* Quakers. Each state 
 had majority and minority religions. Of course, majority ruled. 

 The *separation of church and state* issue that evolved  was not intended to 
create a secular society but to keep one religion from dominating the whole 
country as was the custom in Europe. The federal government would not establish 
a state religion/church that could interfere with the will of the people in 
each state.
  From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
   
    Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" :

My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal 
structure.
Here in the UK you can foul the atmosphere in a pub by asking if someone is for 
or against fox hunting/the ban on handguns/the smoking ban/ . . . 
I always say: "What? Little old me rule on such a complex issue?" I hold that 
individual local authorities should be left to decide what laws apply in their 
area. True diversity! And ultimately it comes down to local democracy.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.


  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, 
ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense. 
If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?

The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
clearly at odds with the obvious reading doesn't bode well.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ok, good.  Thanks for clarification. Sounds like a much better idea.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.
 
 


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
 
 
   Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted 
constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
 

 But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
 

 Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense.  

 If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?
 

 The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
clearly at odds with the obvious reading doesn't bode well.






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No Steve, the *originalist* view of gay marriage would be,* leave it to the 
individual states to decide*. That is an issue of the tenth amendment. At what 
point the Federal government then imposes it upon the other states, I'm not 
sure. Could be >50% or 2/3rds or 3/4s or none. The original intent of the 
founding fathers gave states much more power over such matters than the federal 
government. The feds would step in when there was conflict between states.


  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The 
TM Movement Community
   
    Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted 
constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no".
But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal 
interpretation, the answer would be "yes"
Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense. 
If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your 
elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can 
it be?

The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can "interpret" 
the original wording in a way more in line with their own prejudices and 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 It's looking more and more suspect to me all the time. But I'm not sure you 
can blame TM for this...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[feste37]

If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 It gets better.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you think the cigarette is part of the appeal, or will the book tell you to 
stop smoking, or p'raps it will suggest you switch to David Lynch's brand??
And how many women sit in an empty tub to read a book? Doesn't look too good 
for the back to me. 

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China
It gets better.










  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 . Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how enlightenment 
is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
 

 

 Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
 

 It's true. She is no more enlightened than I'm Mary Queen of Scots. But it is 
good for a little chuckle. She reminds me of many others I have seen, some even 
on Batgap, who figure their niche is to play the spiritual card while promoting 
themselves as all sexy and desirable. I see you didn't fall for it. She's not 
my type either.

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

 

 You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
 

 You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
 

 Why attack Feste? He's just having some fun with you, MJ.
 

 Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we 
can mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes 
of TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
 

 According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally more attractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
 

 Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

 

 MJ, it is pretty funny. Take a look at her and just have a laugh. There's 
someone putting out their spiritual shingle every five minutes. She's just one 
more.
 

 If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
 

 She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
 

 Is this TM's fault? I think she's quite the entrepreneur, myself. It doesn't 
appeal to me, any of it, but hey, let her psycho babble her way to fame and 
fortune. She appears pretty narcissistic to me. What harm is it all doing you?
 

 I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 

 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we can 
mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes of 
TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally more attractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 
 
  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
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| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how enlightenment 
is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 

Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
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I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[feste37]

If a woman looks like that, who cares what she talks about? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 It gets better.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Would you have the same laissez faire attitude about Robin if he set up shop 
again recruiting followers to gain enlightenment? 

 

 Well, for one thing that would never happen and if it did I'd be the first one 
to sign up. Knowing what I do now, just think of the fun I could have. Playing 
is so much more fun than smacking someone down. I already did that.
 

 Sal and I have clearly explained our position of such TM related hucksterism, 
but you have not said why you think they should be given a free pass. 

 

 I have explained how I feel so many times here now that for sure you have to 
be getting tired of it. But, in a nutshell, I'll try to make it clear one more 
time. It is not about giving something a pass, MJ, what it is for me is 
allowing others the freedom, the choice, to choose to pursue something or not 
without becoming heavy handed in pounding them with my opinion about it. 
Virtually everyone here at FFL chose TM at one time or another. Every one of us 
emerged with experiences as unique as we are individuals. Some are still 
meditating but have abandoned the Movement. Others, like myself, stopped 
meditating a long time ago. Still others, like yourself, feel it incumbent on 
themselves to warn the planet against giving the Movement a single dime. All 
well and good. Who is right and who is deluded? 
 

 You believe the TM Movement to be shady and out to steal people's money. I 
believe some of that to be true but I also believe TM has done a lot of good 
for many individuals so for me to give them a free pass is based on this and 
it isn't free anyway. I take issue with some of the stuff that is passed off 
as necessary or true but, remember, I left MIU in 1980 and after that I had 
nothing to do with the Movement (other than being banned from all things TM 
including being allowed on campus) so I know little of the later schemes and 
scams and politics. In addition, I don't care. Sorry, but I don't. I have taken 
on other causes, concerned myself with different things I think are important 
and trying to talk anyone who is thinking of starting TM or of enrolling their 
child at MUM out of it is not one of those things. But, hey, go for it but at 
the same time give me the space to not think this necessary in the way you or 
Sal does. I liked MIU, I liked being given a mantra to meditate with, I enjoyed 
my time with others who meditated but I moved on. You had a different 
experience than I did.
 

 And why do you not extend your let all do as they please philosophy to folks 
like Sal and myself?

 

 MJ, I have only said that you sounded like a broken record not that you were 
not justified in feeling the way you do. In fact, if you actually look back at 
my posts to and about you, you will see that I have been a supporter of yours 
because I know what asshats some of those in power can be even though I was 
never the brunt of it (other than my banishment, but who cares?). I certainly 
didn't. In fact, it was a kind of badge of honor, a joke even. So carry on, but 
if I play devil's advocate sometimes or don't agree with your approach then 
you'll have to deal with it if you read my posts.
 

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

 

 You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
 

 You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
 

 Why attack Feste? He's just having some fun with you, MJ.
 

 Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we 
can mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes 
of TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
 

 According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally more attractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
 

 Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

 

 MJ, it is pretty funny. Take a look at her and just have a laugh. There's 
someone putting out their spiritual shingle every five minutes. She's just one 
more.
 

 If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 What about the cigarette?
 

 I don't think the model in the tube is Valerie, actually. And, no, the 
cigarette is a definite turnoff with me. In addition, I don't go for blonds - 
female or otherwise. I prefer the dark haired blue eyed variety. I'll give the 
Valerie woman about three year shelf life before she's exposed for what she is.
 

 
 

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 . Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how enlightenment 
is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
 

 

 Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
 

 It's true. She is no more enlightened than I'm Mary Queen of Scots. But it is 
good for a little chuckle. She reminds me of many others I have seen, some even 
on Batgap, who figure their niche is to play the spiritual card while promoting 
themselves as all sexy and desirable. I see you didn't fall for it. She's not 
my type either.

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.




 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 What about the cigarette?
 

 I don't think the model in the tube is Valerie, actually. And, no, the 
cigarette is a definite turnoff with me. In addition, I don't go for blonds - 
female or otherwise. I prefer the dark haired blue eyed variety. I'll give the 
Valerie woman about three year shelf life before she's exposed for what she is.
 

 Correction, LOL, not tube but tub.
 
 

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 . Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how enlightenment 
is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
 

 

 Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
 

 It's true. She is no more enlightened than I'm Mary Queen of Scots. But it is 
good for a little chuckle. She reminds me of many others I have seen, some even 
on Batgap, who figure their niche is to play the spiritual card while promoting 
themselves as all sexy and desirable. I see you didn't fall for it. She's not 
my type either.

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.




 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Would you have the same laissez faire attitude about Robin if he set up shop 
again recruiting followers to gain enlightenment? 

Sal and I have clearly explained our position of such TM related hucksterism, 
but you have not said why you think they should be given a free pass. 

And why do you not extend your let all do as they please philosophy to folks 
like Sal and myself?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
Why attack Feste? He's just having some fun with you, MJ.
Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we can 
mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes of 
TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally moreattractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

MJ, it is pretty funny. Take a look at her and just have a laugh. There's 
someone putting out their spiritual shingle every five minutes. She's just one 
more.
If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
Is this TM's fault? I think she's quite the entrepreneur, myself. It doesn't 
appeal to me, any of it, but hey, let her psycho babble her way to fame and 
fortune. She appears pretty narcissistic to me. What harm is it all doing you?
I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
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|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Michael!  Michael!  Easy does it.
 

 You're single handedly trying to hold up the whole anti TM world and we don't 
want you to strain yourself.
 

 Reinforcements on the waypossibly?
 

 Remember, holiday weekend coming up.  
 

 Just go easy.  Pace  yourself.
 

 

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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

 

 You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
 

 You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
 

 Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we 
can mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes 
of TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
 

 According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally more attractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
 

 Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

 

 If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
 

 She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
 

 I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 

 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[feste37]

Lighten up, Michael!!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Ahh, the enlightened attitude! Is this the way you learned to view women 
whilst an MIU professor? Or is sexism your general stock in trade. I bet you 
learned to view women as sex objects as you learned wisdom from Johnnie 
Hagelin, since he was so good at it with his female students. 
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   If a woman looks like that, who cares what she talks about? 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Not for all the tea in China
 

 It gets better.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 
   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
 

INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/  
  
 http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
  
  
  
  
  
 INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t... 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/ Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper...


 
 View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/valerie-gangas-interview/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 






 


 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What about the cigarette?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

.Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of howenlightenment is 
supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disneymovies 

Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
It's true. She is no more enlightened than I'm Mary Queen of Scots. But it is 
good for a little chuckle. She reminds me of many others I have seen, some even 
on Batgap, who figure their niche is to play the spiritual card while promoting 
themselves as all sexy and desirable. I see you didn't fall for it. She's not 
my type either.
  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |


I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ahh, the enlightened attitude! Is this the way you learned to view women whilst 
an MIU professor? Or is sexism your general stock in trade. I bet you learned 
to view women as sex objects as you learned wisdom from Johnnie Hagelin, since 
he was so good at it with his female students. 

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    If a woman looks like that, who cares what she talks about? 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China
It gets better.










  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
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| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Perfect! I shall remember that one!

  From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:57 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    I've written the follow up book Fifty Shades of Gayatri.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM 1913 Style

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Also order of houses in jyotish.

On 06/18/2015 10:05 AM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




From contents:

Four aims of Being (Dharma, Artha, Kāma, Moṣ ka)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

are you using that term tosspot in the contemptible and stupid sense or the 
drunkard sense?
Had to look that one up, you know. 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
Apparently you are still a thick twat.


Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls
And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
Texan tosspot.

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[salyavin808]

 Contemptible and stupid. Didn't realise it was so apt actually.
 

 But the fact that it also refers to drunkenness may explain a lot of his 
behaviour. Maybe he drinks a bottle of scotch, types endless drivel about 
things he knows nothing about on the internet and then forgets all about it 
until the next day
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 are you using that term tosspot in the contemptible and stupid sense or the 
drunkard sense?

 
 Had to look that one up, you know. 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
 

 Apparently you are still a thick twat.
 









 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls 
http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending
 

 And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
Texan tosspot.
 

 
 
 
 http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending 
 
 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls 
http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending A new 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
Apparently you are still a thick twat.


Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Put him in the drunk tank down in the dungeon.

On 04/21/2015 11:08 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Contemptible and stupid. Didn't realise it was so apt actually.

But the fact that it also refers to drunkenness may explain a lot of 
his behaviour. Maybe he drinks a bottle of scotch, types endless 
drivel about things he knows nothing about on the internet and then 
forgets all about it until the next day



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

are you using that term tosspot in the contemptible and stupid sense 
or the drunkard sense?

Had to look that one up, you know.

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive 
informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a 
red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently 
qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two 
types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association.


Apparently you are still a thick twat.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

he might just be drunk on his own foolishness

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...
   
    
Contemptible and stupid. Didn't realise it was so apt actually.
But the fact that it also refers to drunkenness may explain a lot of his 
behaviour. Maybe he drinks a bottle of scotch, types endless drivel about 
things he knows nothing about on the internet and then forgets all about it 
until the next day



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

are you using that term tosspot in the contemptible and stupid sense or the 
drunkard sense?
Had to look that one up, you know. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
Apparently you are still a thick twat.


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And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Apparently you've just posted a fundamental attribution error, as it is 
impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their birth 
circumstances.

 From: salyavin808 sa...@yahoogroups.com
 
 And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
Texan tosspot. 

 
 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :


 Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association. 


 



  
  














  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Why do all your solutions seem to involve forms of sadism, deprivation, 
isolation, and control?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Put him in the drunk tank down in the dungeon.
 
 On 04/21/2015 11:08 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   
 
 Contemptible and stupid. Didn't realise it was so apt actually.
 
 
 But the fact that it also refers to drunkenness may explain a lot of his 
behaviour. Maybe he drinks a bottle of scotch, types endless drivel about 
things he knows nothing about on the internet and then forgets all about it 
until the next day
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 are you using that term tosspot in the contemptible and stupid sense or the 
drunkard sense?

 
 Had to look that one up, you know. 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
richard@... mailto:richard@... wrote :
 
 Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
 
 
 Apparently you are still a thick twat.
 

 







 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls
 
 
 And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
Texan tosspot.
 
 
 
 
 
 http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending 
 
 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls A new algorithm can predict 
Internet irritants with 80% accuracy
 
 
 
 View on time.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 
 
 
 


  
  





 










 
 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Spontaneous Right Action...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 Apparently you've just posted an association fallacy; an inductive informal 
fallacy of the type hasty generalization. Sometimes called a red herring 
which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, 
merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as 
guilt by association.  
 

 Apparently you are still a thick twat.
 









 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls 
http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending
 

 And you can't argue with the science. I shall reassume my ignoration of the 
Texan tosspot.
 

 
 
 
 http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending 
 
 Science Says You Should Ignore Internet Trolls 
http://time.com/3827683/internet-troll-research/?xid=IFT-Trending A new 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, Chopra's first book was NOT _Return of the Rishi_ but but _Creating 
Health_, written before he had fully integrated with the TM organization. 

 

 Certainly, _Return of the Rishi_ mentioned TM, because it was about the 
journey of a young doctor discovering the revival of Vedic India in the form of 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's various projects.
 

 IN fact, _Return of the Rishi_ is the only one of Chopra's books to still have 
a dedication to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
 

 It is also the only one of his books he doesn't sell through his website, last 
I checked, though he does sell a selected readings audio version.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 
 According to what I've read, Chopra never said that TM was the solution to 
all problems. In fact, Chopra doesn't even mention TM in his first book, 
Return of the Rishi. It's just too bad Judy isn't here anymore to correct all 
these claims. We will ask Chopra about this when he gets to town. Go figure.

San Antonio, TX - The Future of Wellbeing, The 13th Disciple Book Tour 
https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 
 
 https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362
 
 San Antonio, TX - The Future of Wellbeing, The 13th Disc... 
https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/article/362 San Antonio, TX April 8, 2015 
The 13th Disciple Book Tour Join Deepak Chopra for a book signing!


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 This was in Washington D.C. Think it was about 1985, I do not recall exactly. 
His comments were specifically related to the claim that Ayurveda could cure 
diabetes. As you recall, there was a time that TM was supposed to cure 
everything, the solution to all problems. 

Non sequitur. Nobody ever claimed that TM could cure diabetes.

At time went on, Chopra the MD became more and more Chopra the Woo Doctor. 

Non sequitur.

He also had a wife who did not want to live within the movement's restrictions 
as far as income etc., and Chopra was concerned about this, he had had after 
all a good position at a hospital.

Non sequitur.

Apparently he got some financial concessions from Maharishi, but eventually 
Chopra wanted to go his own way more independently and Maharishi could not get 
his cut of the action, which as you know would ideally be all of it. My guess 
is Chopra was fairly rational until the movement got its claws into him, and 
like Hagelin, fell into a more irrational frame of mind. The movement seems to 
lack someone who could put the ideas about reality and consciousness into some 
kind of rational perspective that is also actually in tune with scientific 
principles rather than in tune with a parody of scientific principles.

Non sequitur. Of course, Chopra, who is an M.D., couldn't begin to compare to 
all your scientific credentials. LoL!


 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
 
 
   
 Interestingly, the first time I heard Chopra speak within the movement he was 
much more sceptical about such things as what Ayurveda could accomplish
 

 You are kidding!!! When and where was this? This is the first time I have ever 
heard of that!
 

 

 


 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
 
 
   What I liked about the movie Bad Teacher, is while the character played by 
Diaz has to adjust to a new situation in her life that resulted from her 
'badness', it is not a Cinderella, Disney kind of story where everything like 
her personality turns to gold. It has a more realistic arc that does not 
magically undo her 'morally bankrupt' characteristics. She adapts to the extent 
she has to and finds a modicum of satisfaction well below her original goals.
 

 I did see Chopra a few times within the movement. The last time I saw him he 
was coming out of the Twenty-First Century Bookstore in Fairfield, IA (the 
local Ru Woo bookstore which no longer exists I hear). Interestingly, the first 
time I heard Chopra speak within the movement he was much more sceptical about 
such things as what Ayurveda could accomplish, but I think once he got the idea 
he could make money selling nostrums, that scepticism was quietly put away. 
Those well inculcated by TM philosophy always seemed to feel that something was 
not quite right with him, that he was out for himself, which probably was true, 
as he did not turn out to be the tool Maharishi wanted for promoting the 
movement, which is of course someone who only promotes Maharishi's goals, 
financial and otherwise.
 

 The Chopra-Mlodinow book was one of the results after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Another definition of shill --
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of 
self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
You have been conned into believing that Maharishi and the TMO deserve your 
loyalty.
Now think this through. If you -- after spending the countless hours, days, 
weeks, and years you have spent shilling for TM on the Internet over the years 
-- were to admit to having visited another spiritual teacher, just out of 
curiosity, how long do you think it would take the organization you've been 
shilling for to throw you under the bus?
The same length of time it took Maharishi to throw Jerry Jarvis under the bus 
when he refused MMY's orders to not pay the law firm that represented the TMO 
in the New Jersey court case, or shorter? The same length of time it took 
Maharishi to throw Chopra under the bus when *he* refused to do what MMY wanted 
him to do, or shorter? 

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
   
    Like you, right?

Another definition of shill that I like is someone stupid enough to be 
tricked into working for free: A person engaged in covert advertising. The 
shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing an organization in public 
forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his 
services, either in money or by gaining favor with the organization he is 
shilling for.


 From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 12:54 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
   
    Bobby isn't a shill. A shill is someone who is pretending that they do NOT 
work for an organization but actually do.L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :


For what purpose would you be wanting to get your TM med checked? Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Wow! Golly gee! 

A real shore 'nuff news article posted on the Maharishi Foundation USA web site 
and written by grinning Bobby Roth, certified shill for the TM Movement! 

I must-a been wrong in all I ever said about TM being a mediocre technique and 
Marshy being a con man! 

I guess I need to dust off my TM mantra and go to the nearest Peace Palace and 
get my TM med checked.
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM reaches the Orient...
 
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