Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-12 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sounds like you're justifying ISIS's  actions. True, that was typical of 
conquering armies in the past due to the practicality of waging war. However we 
consider our selves a *bit* more civilized today. We don't target innocent 
civilians, force them to convert and then kill them anyway, we don't steel 
supplies, we buy it if we don't bring it and we observe a uniform code of  
military conduct observed by almost all nations. BTW, we took nothing material 
from the Native Americans. Even they said *nobody owned the land*, so it wasn't 
theirs either by their own logic. We did give them about 24 dollars and some 
beads for Manhattan and perpetual welfare for  next to eternity along with a 
reservation if they wanted to stay there. Not saying it was a good deal for 
NAs, but it was the best that could offered at the time. Had Europeans never 
made it to the Americas, they, NAs, would still be living in the stone age 
today, chasing buffalo herds on foot, living in
 *harmony* with nature, and killing each other over hunting grounds. Some times 
*change* requires a phase transition. 


On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:24 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if Americans 
ever conquered a country, we'd do the same thing too.

Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.

L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :


They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just take 
whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from banks, food from 
stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and transportation from Iraqi army bases. 
This is your Islamic *work ethic*. Real work is for mensches.


On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 
On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of
ISIS.  


There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S.
supports the Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time
Iranians support the Shiite in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis
who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel alike. Then, there's Assad
to deal with. The only bright spot over there is Israel, the only
democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.


How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting
in Iraq and Syria with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?


It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad
are self-sufficient to fight on their own without help
from their Syrian headquarters.  So, that means they're
getting food, supplies and ammunition within Baghdad
itself.


I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is providing the 
weapons and ammunition to fight the
loyal troopers of Iraq.



Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq,
we lack the ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of
the Iraqi Army quickly and successfully, to constrain the Shiite
government from pursuing a sectarian agenda. Without large numbers
of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish between friend
and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a
world without Bashar Assad.

'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
The Washington Free Beacon:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:punditster@... wrote :


Our side is suffering serious defeats on the
battlefield in Anbar province and Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then,
it's a
guerrilla war in the streets with up close and
personal close
range fighting.

According to President Obama, it's a war
against the Islamic
State, but who are they? The goal is to roll back
the IS in Iraq
and contain it in Syria. Soon, Turkey will be pulled
into the
fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, tomorrow
Istanbul and
onwards to Rome.

With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on
completely
falling to ISIS, if the area comes under complete
control of the Islamists, the Americans will be within easy range of
ISIS
artillery.

'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the
way to BGW Int'l Airport'
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport
 


  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/11/2014 10:24 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if 
Americans ever conquered a country, we'd do the same thing too.




/The U.S. conquered Iraq and liberated it from a despotic tyrant, but 
the U.S. didn't get any oil out of Iraq. Now, the current administration 
has lost the war and we'll have to send troops back in to beat back and 
destroy the ISIS. This is going to cost the U.S. taxpayer billions of 
dollars with no end in sight.


The U.S. should have stayed in Iraq with at least 100,000 troops and 
continued liberating the whole Middle East and stabilize it so the 
Europeans would have some heating oil this winter. There is no way that 
NATO is going to be able to protect Europe from Putin and ISIS - both at 
the same time. No way./


/When Baghdad falls and the Americans there are kidnapped and murdered, 
there is going to be hell to pay in the next U.S. elections.//A whole 
decade lost to incompetence. There are going to be a lot of bums kicked 
out of congress and the White House. That's what I think./




Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.


/Non sequitur. American Indians for thousands of years have been 
conquering countries, so what? The Native Americans all came over to 
North and South America in order to take whatever they wanted, wherever 
they wanted to take it. There are no pacifist indigenous populations in 
the New World./




L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just 
take whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from 
banks, food from stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and 
transportation from Iraqi army bases. This is your Islamic *work 
ethic*. Real work is for mensches.



On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.


/There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S.
supports the Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time
Iranians support the Shiite in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis
who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel alike. Then, there's Assad
to deal with. The only bright spot over there is Israel, the only
democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.

/

How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq
and Syria with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?

It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are
self-sufficient to fight on their own without help from their
Syrian headquarters.  So, that means they're getting food,
supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.

I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is
providing the weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers
of Iraq.



/Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq,
we lack the ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of
the Iraqi Army quickly and successfully, to constrain the Shiite
government from pursuing a sectarian agenda. Without large numbers
of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish between friend
and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a
world without Bashar Assad./

'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
The Washington Free Beacon:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:punditster@... wrote :

/Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in
Anbar province and Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a
guerrilla war in the streets with up close and personal close
range fighting.//
//
//According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic
State, but who are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq
and contain it in Syria. Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the
fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, tomorrow Istanbul and
onwards to Rome./

With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely
falling to ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the
Islamists, the Americans will be within easy range of ISIS
artillery.

/'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW
Int'l Airport'/

http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Shrug. We have no idea what American Indian civilization would be like 500+ 
years later. 

 And certainly, ISIS is a primitive, violent group of thugs by modern standards.
 

 My only point is that you don't have to go very far back to see the same kind 
of behavior from the West, so the sense of smug superiority I get from some 
people is not particuarly supportable.
 

 Certainly, it's not terribly useful. We have to work with moderate Muslims to 
solve the issues, and the we're so much better than the ragheads attitude 
isn't helping any.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 Sounds like you're justifying ISIS's  actions. True, that was typical of 
conquering armies in the past due to the practicality of waging war. However we 
consider our selves a *bit* more civilized today. We don't target innocent 
civilians, force them to convert and then kill them anyway, we don't steel 
supplies, we buy it if we don't bring it and we observe a uniform code of  
military conduct observed by almost all nations. BTW, we took nothing material 
from the Native Americans. Even they said *nobody owned the land*, so it wasn't 
theirs either by their own logic. We did give them about 24 dollars and some 
beads for Manhattan and perpetual welfare for  next to eternity along with a 
reservation if they wanted to stay there. Not saying it was a good deal for 
NAs, but it was the best that could offered at the time. Had Europeans never 
made it to the Americas, they, NAs, would still be living in the stone age 
today, chasing buffalo herds on foot, living in *harmony* with nature, and 
killing each other over hunting grounds. Some times *change* requires a phase 
transition.
 


 On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:24 PM, LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if 
Americans ever conquered a country, we'd do the same thing too.
 

 Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just take 
whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from banks, food from 
stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and transportation from Iraqi army bases. 
This is your Islamic *work ethic*. Real work is for mensches.
 


 On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   
 On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.  


 
 There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S. supports the 
Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time Iranians support the Shiite 
in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel 
alike. Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over there is 
Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.
 
 How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq and Syria 
with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?
 

 It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are self-sufficient to 
fight on their own without help from their Syrian headquarters.  So, that means 
they're getting food, supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.
 

 I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is providing the 
weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers of Iraq.




 
 
 Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq, we lack the 
ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly 
and successfully, to constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian 
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish 
between friend and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to 
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world without 
Bashar Assad.
 
 'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
 The Washington Free Beacon:
 http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/ 
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar province and 
Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla war in the streets 
with up close and personal close range fighting.
 
 According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, but who 
are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. 
Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, 
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome.
 
 With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely falling to 
ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/12/2014 1:33 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Shrug. We have no idea what American Indian civilization would be like 
500+ years later.




/Non sequitur. The U.S. and its allies had won the war against al Qaeda 
in Iraq, according to Obama and Biden. Now just a year later we've lost 
everything. /


America's plans to fight Islamic State are in ruins as the militant 
group's fighters come close to capturing Kobani and have inflicted a 
heavy defeat on the Iraqi army west of Baghdad. The US-led air attacks 
launched against Islamic State (also known as Isis) on 8 August in Iraq 
and 23 September in Syria have not worked.


'War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/war-against-isis-us-strategy-in-tatters-as-militants-march-on-9789230.html




And certainly, ISIS is a primitive, violent group of thugs by modern 
standards.


My only point is that you don't have to go very far back to see the 
same kind of behavior from the West, so the sense of smug superiority 
I get from some people is not particuarly supportable.


Certainly, it's not terribly useful. We have to work with moderate 
Muslims to solve the issues, and the we're so much better than the 
ragheads attitude isn't helping any.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Sounds like you're justifying ISIS's actions. True, that was typical 
of conquering armies in the past due to the practicality of waging 
war. However we consider our selves a *bit* more civilized today. We 
don't target innocent civilians, force them to convert and then kill 
them anyway, we don't steel supplies, we buy it if we don't bring it 
and we observe a uniform code of  military conduct observed by almost 
all nations. BTW, we took nothing material from the Native Americans. 
Even they said *nobody owned the land*, so it wasn't theirs either by 
their own logic. We did give them about 24 dollars and some beads for 
Manhattan and perpetual welfare for  next to eternity along with a 
reservation if they wanted to stay there. Not saying it was a good 
deal for NAs, but it was the best that could offered at the time. Had 
Europeans never made it to the Americas, they, NAs, would still be 
living in the stone age today, chasing buffalo herds on foot, living 
in *harmony* with nature, and killing each other over hunting grounds. 
Some times *change* requires a phase transition.



On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:24 PM, LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if 
Americans ever conquered a country, we'd do the same thing too.


Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.

L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just 
take whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from 
banks, food from stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and 
transportation from Iraqi army bases. This is your Islamic *work 
ethic*. Real work is for mensches.



On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.


/There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the
U.S. supports the Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the
same time Iranians support the Shiite in Baghdad. But, the
ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel alike.
Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over
there is Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East.
Go figure.

/

How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in
Iraq and Syria with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?

It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are
self-sufficient to fight on their own without help from their
Syrian headquarters.  So, that means they're getting food,
supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.

I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is
providing the weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal
troopers of Iraq.



/Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in
Iraq, we lack the ability to choose targets, to rebuild the
capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly and successfully, to
constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are
unable to distinguish between friend and foe, to train and
direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to address the
humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world
without Bashar Assad./

'Only 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad [1 Attachment]

2014-10-11 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How does Obama like his crow cooked?  


On Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:10 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
[Attachment(s) from Richard J. Williams included below] 
According to what I've read, in the next few days President Obama will order 
thousands of U.S. Marines back into Baghdad, Iraq, in order to save the U.S. 
embassy. To provide security for the U.S. interests and the U.S. embassy; to 
fight the ISIS insurgents and drive them back out of the city. Failure is not 
an option. How is that smart diplomacy working?

Islamic State jihadists move within eight miles of the Iraqi capital, sparking 
calls for America to return to the country 

'Iraq asks for US ground troops as Isil threaten Baghdad'
The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11156264/Iraq-asks-for-US-ground-troops-as-Isil-threaten-Baghdad.html



ISIS insurgent rides into downtown Baghdad

http://rt.com/news/167636-iraq-cities-captured-isis/

 
Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar province and 
Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla war in the streets 
with up close and personal close range fighting.

According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, but who 
are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. 
Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, 
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome.

With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely
  falling to ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the
  Islamists, the Americans will be within easy range of ISIS
  artillery.

'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW Int'l Airport'
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport
  
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-11 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.



/There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S. supports 
the Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time Iranians support 
the Shiite in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, 
Muslim and infidel alike. Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only 
bright spot over there is Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle 
East. Go figure.


/


How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq and 
Syria with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?



It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are 
self-sufficient to fight on their own without help from their Syrian 
headquarters.  So, that means they're getting food, supplies and 
ammunition within Baghdad itself.


I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is 
providing the weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers of Iraq.



/Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq, we 
lack the ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of the Iraqi 
Army quickly and successfully, to constrain the Shiite government from 
pursuing a sectarian agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, 
we are unable to distinguish between friend and foe, to train and direct 
non-Qaeda opposition forces, to address the humanitarian crisis, and to 
prepare for—and hasten—a world without Bashar Assad./


'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
The Washington Free Beacon:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

/Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar 
province and Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla 
war in the streets with up close and personal close range fighting.//

//
//According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, 
but who are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain 
it in Syria. Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are 
at the gates today, tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome./


With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely 
falling to ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the 
Islamists, the Americans will be within easy range of ISIS artillery.


/'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW Int'l 
Airport'/

http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-11 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just take 
whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from banks, food from 
stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and transportation from Iraqi army bases. 
This is your Islamic *work ethic*. Real work is for mensches. 


On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
  
Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.  
  

There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S. supports the 
Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time Iranians support the Shiite 
in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel 
alike. Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over there is 
Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.

 
How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq and Syria 
with supposedly only 30,000 fighters? 

 
It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are self-sufficient to 
fight on their own without help from their Syrian headquarters.  So, that 
means they're getting food, supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself. 

 
I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is providing the 
weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers of Iraq.



Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq, we lack the 
ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly 
and successfully, to constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian 
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish 
between friend and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to 
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world without 
Bashar Assad.

'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
The Washington Free Beacon:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:punditster@... wrote :


Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar province and 
Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla war in the streets 
with up close and personal close range fighting.

According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, but who 
are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. 
Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, 
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome.

With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely falling to 
ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the Islamists, the Americans 
will be within easy range of ISIS artillery.

'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW Int'l Airport'
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fall Of Baghdad

2014-10-11 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if Americans 
ever conquered a country, we'd do the same thing too. 

 Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just take 
whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from banks, food from 
stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and transportation from Iraqi army bases. 
This is your Islamic *work ethic*. Real work is for mensches.
 


 On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   
 On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.  


 
 There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S. supports the 
Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time Iranians support the Shiite 
in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel 
alike. Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over there is 
Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.
 
 How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq and Syria 
with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?
 

 It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are self-sufficient to 
fight on their own without help from their Syrian headquarters.  So, that means 
they're getting food, supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.
 

 I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is providing the 
weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers of Iraq.




 
 
 Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq, we lack the 
ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly 
and successfully, to constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian 
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish 
between friend and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to 
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world without 
Bashar Assad.
 
 'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
 The Washington Free Beacon:
 http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/ 
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar province and 
Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla war in the streets 
with up close and personal close range fighting.
 
 According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, but who 
are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. 
Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, 
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome.
 
 With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely falling to 
ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the Islamists, the Americans 
will be within easy range of ISIS artillery.
 
 'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW Int'l Airport'
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport