Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-07 Thread Share Long
But but but...noozguru, I write a lot of those one liners! Oh, maybe you're 
suggesting I liberate myself from those also (-:





On Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:58 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
This is often the case with online discussion and why I read them using an 
email client like Thunderbird.  A click of the button will arrange the flow of 
a topic to see that it has wandered off into a badminton match and not even 
worth reading.  Do yourself a favor and set up an email client on your computer 
if you are so interested in FFL and liberate yourself from the one liners of 
the website or even Yahoo's poor mail client.

On 02/06/2014 12:57 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
Richard, sometimes there's even a deluge of posts when I'm gone for a couple 
of hours! No wonder some people have given up and dropped out. I end up 
trashing so many posts I'd like to reply to. But I'm trying to have an offline 
life here. Go figure (-:






On Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/6/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, here's my important post
  (-:

The problem with FFL is that the
  messages come at you so fast that you 
hardly have time to think for
  yourself, to sort it all out, much
  less 
try to figure out the deep meaning of
  some of the messages posted here. 
Anyone who wanted to find out any
  insider information would have to wade 
through thousands of messages here and
  on Google Groups in order to find 
out what happened to Jerry Jarvis or
  Lon P. Stacks.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 7:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 And you would see more Adventists in one day in Loma Linda than most 
 people would see in a whole year elsewhere.
 
Almost all the older people we know are on some kind of spiritual path 
of some kind these days. It's rare to meet up face-to-face with someone 
your own age who doesn't believe in something. But, practice is another 
thing. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Share Long
Richard, here's my important post (-:





On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:41 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/5/2014 1:37 PM, Share Long wrote:
 I'm with Maharishi on this one: Everything is important and nothing is 
 serious.

Nobody should be taken seriously who posts to this forum, but everything 
they post is important, and what they don't post is also important. So, 
let's get serious: does anyone have anything to post that is important?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 1:37 PM, Share Long wrote:
 I'm with Maharishi on this one: Everything is important and nothing is 
 serious.
 
Nobody should be taken seriously who posts to this forum, but everything 
they post is important, and what they don't post is also important. So, 
let's get serious: does anyone have anything to post that is important?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/5/2014 10:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be 
taken seriously.*
No, seriously. You seem to be the only informant on this forum that can 
keep up with the fast-paced online chat room conversations on FFL!


If anyone wants to try this they would be needing a smart phone, or a 
laptop, or a tablet, and/or a desk top computer, working out of a home 
office, bedroom, or at a bar or at a cafe. You need a very fast 
broadband connection and Wi-Fi in order to be connected 24 x 7 so as not 
to miss anything posted here. Good work!


It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 12:59 PM, Share Long wrote:
 I'm really out of all the TMO loops.
 
For the record though, these days I don't get to the Radiance dome all 
that much since I'm way down here about a mile from George Straight's 
ranch. And I don't visit that Hindu temple anymore out by Friday 
Mountain, ever since that Swami out there became convicted and became a 
fugitive down in Mexico. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/6/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, here's my important post (-:
 
The problem with FFL is that the messages come at you so fast that you 
hardly have time to think for yourself, to sort it all out, much less 
try to figure out the deep meaning of some of the messages posted here. 
Anyone who wanted to find out any insider information would have to wade 
through thousands of messages here and on Google Groups in order to find 
out what happened to Jerry Jarvis or Lon P. Stacks.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Share Long
Richard, sometimes there's even a deluge of posts when I'm gone for a couple of 
hours! No wonder some people have given up and dropped out. I end up trashing 
so many posts I'd like to reply to. But I'm trying to have an offline life 
here. Go figure (-:





On Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/6/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, here's my important post (-:

The problem with FFL is that the messages come at you so fast that you 
hardly have time to think for yourself, to sort it all out, much less 
try to figure out the deep meaning of some of the messages posted here. 
Anyone who wanted to find out any insider information would have to wade 
through thousands of messages here and on Google Groups in order to find 
out what happened to Jerry Jarvis or Lon P. Stacks.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-06 Thread Bhairitu
This is often the case with online discussion and why I read them using 
an email client like Thunderbird.  A click of the button will arrange 
the flow of a topic to see that it has wandered off into a badminton 
match and not even worth reading.  Do yourself a favor and set up an 
email client on your computer if you are so interested in FFL and 
liberate yourself from the one liners of the website or even Yahoo's 
poor mail client.


On 02/06/2014 12:57 PM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, sometimes there's even a deluge of posts when I'm gone for a 
couple of hours! No wonder some people have given up and dropped out. 
I end up trashing so many posts I'd like to reply to. But I'm trying 
to have an offline life here. Go figure (-:




On Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2/6/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, here's my important post (-:

The problem with FFL is that the messages come at you so fast that you
hardly have time to think for yourself, to sort it all out, much less
try to figure out the deep meaning of some of the messages posted here.
Anyone who wanted to find out any insider information would have to wade
through thousands of messages here and on Google Groups in order to find
out what happened to Jerry Jarvis or Lon P. Stacks.







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Unfortunately this new yahoo neo format makes it harder for scholarly 
 researching to locate and display an area in the FFL archive where 
 there is a string of related posts to look at.
 
The search feature on Yahoo Neo really sucks, big time. In contrast, the 
search in Google Groups looks like a genius designed it.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 BTW, is Steen your family surname or mother's maiden name?
 
Maybe I'm wrong but, authfriend didn't say what her real name is - she 
is using an alias on FFL. She used to post with her name in the sig on 
Google Groups. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 You are not really a professional editor are you?
 
Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
groups.

And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
work done on their computer. Go figure.

It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL!


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread authfriend
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.

 
  Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
 their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
 computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
 groups.
 
 And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
 discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
 monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
 work done on their computer. Go figure.
 
 It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
 at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
 toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
 with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
 on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
 for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
 up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 and who do you write for when you post so often here?
 
Over time a discussion group informant's purpose may change and his or 
her target might change over time as well. In the old days on Goggle 
Groups, we needed someone to stand up to the MMY critics and take up for 
MMY and the efficacy of TMer practice. Good work! These days there are 
just a few anti-TMers left to deal with. Go figure.

Things are different now with Yahoo Neo - it doesn't lend itself very 
well to carrying on an extended discussions. However, using Google 
Chrome you can get the messages sent to a free GMail account where you 
can view messages in sequence according to date and time and according 
to topic. It's not complicated.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.

 

 This post of his aptly demonstrates this point.
 
  Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
 their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
 computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
 groups.
 
 And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
 discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
 monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
 work done on their computer. Go figure.
 
 It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
 at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
 toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
 with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
 on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
 for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
 up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/5/2014 9:03 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


Buck, you are hilarious. You don't even know Judy's last name. And as 
if she is going to respond to you in all seriousness to this specious 
post of yours. Om to you too.




In all seriousness, how do you know her name is Judy?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Like, as a professional writer who do you think your audience is here?
 
Well, you'd think a professional editor would be posting to a 
professional editing discussion group. And, you'd think a professional 
writer would be posting to a professional writers group. There are 
always exceptions to this and sometimes you have editors trying to 
correct online discussions and writers posting links to other peoples 
writings. There's only so much you can do from a home office, a bedroom 
upstairs, or from a cafe or a bar using the Yahoo Neo interface. You 
can't submit professional editing projects for payment to a moderated 
discussion group and you can't write good science articles in a chat 
room and get paid for it. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
  Like, as a professional writer who do you think your audience is here?
 
 Well, you'd think a professional editor would be posting to a 
 professional editing discussion group. And, you'd think a professional 
 writer would be posting to a professional writers group. There are 
 always exceptions to this and sometimes you have editors trying to 
 correct online discussions and writers posting links to other peoples 
 writings. There's only so much you can do from a home office, a bedroom 
 upstairs, or from a cafe or a bar using the Yahoo Neo interface. You 
 can't submit professional editing projects for payment to a moderated 
 discussion group and you can't write good science articles in a chat 
 room and get paid for it. Go figure.
 

 Be sure to let me know when you're serious, okay Ricky?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Great idea as an alternative.  Can you get the whole FFL archive in to gmail or 
just current posts as they come in?  Always looking for a better way to skin a 
cat, like searching or dropping in to the FFL archive for academic reasons.  
Problem in the neo search now is that you can't 'slim' those searches and move 
about quickly. And if you want to look at one it too readily kicks you back out 
to having to fill out the damned search box again.  These IT people at yahoo 
obviously never grew up on farms doing stuff.  Like, 'if it ain''t broke leave 
it alone and don't fix it'. Or, '..don't make more work for others to fix'.  
Jeesus X-mas,  
 -Buck
 

 punditster writes:

 

 

 On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM  Buck  wrote:
  and who do you write for when you post so often here?
 
 Over time a discussion group informant's purpose may change and his or 
 her target might change over time as well. In the old days on Goggle 
 Groups, we needed someone to stand up to the MMY critics and take up for 
 MMY and the efficacy of TMer practice. Good work! These days there are 
 just a few anti-TMers left to deal with. Go figure.
 
 Things are different now with Yahoo Neo - it doesn't lend itself very 
 well to carrying on an extended discussions. However, using Google 
 Chrome you can get the messages sent to a free GMail account where you 
 can view messages in sequence according to date and time and according 
 to topic. It's not complicated.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/3/2014 10:40 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Some writers should rightfully be embarrassed.
 
Any lurkers on FFL would probably just skip over the anti-TMers and the 
MMY-bashers anyway. Anyone seriously interested in what TMers are doing 
would be reading the good stuff posted by that Buck guy and Share gal up 
at MUM - the long-time meditators who meditate in the Golden Domes and 
have the insider information about the comings-and-goings of TMers at 
Revelations in Fairfield.

Who would want to lurk here and read some writings posted about 
Amsterdam cafes by a guy that has never even been to visit the TMer 
World Headquarters at MERU in Vlodrop? Not to mention an editor that has 
never been within a thousand miles to a MMY Golden Dome in her whole 
life?  Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Michael Jackson
There are no anti-TM'ers - we are all just realists.

On Wed, 2/5/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious 
Movements.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2014, 5:00 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 2/5/2014 8:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  and who do you write for when you post so often here?
 
  
 
 Over time a discussion group informant's purpose may
 change and his or 
 
 her target might change over time as well. In the old days
 on Goggle 
 
 Groups, we needed someone to stand up to the MMY critics and
 take up for 
 
 MMY and the efficacy of TMer practice. Good work! These days
 there are 
 
 just a few anti-TMers left to deal with. Go figure.
 
 
 
 Things are different now with Yahoo Neo - it doesn't
 lend itself very 
 
 well to carrying on an extended discussions. However, using
 Google 
 
 Chrome you can get the messages sent to a free GMail account
 where you 
 
 can view messages in sequence according to date and time and
 according 
 
 to topic. It's not complicated.
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 2/5/2014 9:03 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Buck, you are hilarious. You don't even know Judy's last name. And as if she 
is going to respond to you in all seriousness to this specious post of yours. 
Om to you too.
 
 In all seriousness, how do you know her name is Judy? 
 
 Remember, no one can really know what is real and what is not real. And it 
doesn't matter because if we think something is true then it is for us. As far 
as Judy's real name, would it make a difference if she was really called 
Marilyn Murphy?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 11:39 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Can you get the whole FFL archive in to gmail or just current posts as 
 they come in?
 
Get a free Google Chrome browser and a free Google Mail account. Then, 
go into the Yahoo Group settings and have the messages sent to you by 
email at the Google Mail address you just set up.

You can get the whole FFL archive here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Om my God the Unified Field!!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 
  Can you get the whole FFL archive in to gmail or just current posts as 
  they come in?
 
 Get a free Google Chrome browser and a free Google Mail account. Then, 
 go into the Yahoo Group settings and have the messages sent to you by 
 email at the Google Mail address you just set up.
 
 You can get the whole FFL archive here:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread anartaxius
Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken seriously' in 
post #368186 should not be taken seriously?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 
 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.

 
  Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
 their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
 computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
 groups.
 
 And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
 discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
 monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
 work done on their computer. Go figure.
 
 It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
 at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
 toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
 with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
 on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
 for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
 up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Share Long
Xeno, I've always thought that that's exactly what Richard meant. Now I know 
for sure because he likes the Will Rogers sense of humor and wisdom.





On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 12:36 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken seriously' in 
post #368186 should not be taken seriously?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:



As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.



 Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
groups.

And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
work done on their computer. Go figure.

It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Share Long
hey Richard, thanks for vote of confidence but I'm really out of all the TMO 
loops. Plus, these days I'm often meditating etc. in the town flying hall to 
which I can walk when there's a half of foot of new snow on the ground! Plus, I 
haven't been to Revs in a coon's age. Other than that, you're right (-:





On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/3/2014 10:40 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Some writers should rightfully be embarrassed.

Any lurkers on FFL would probably just skip over the anti-TMers and the 
MMY-bashers anyway. Anyone seriously interested in what TMers are doing 
would be reading the good stuff posted by that Buck guy and Share gal up 
at MUM - the long-time meditators who meditate in the Golden Domes and 
have the insider information about the comings-and-goings of TMers at 
Revelations in Fairfield.

Who would want to lurk here and read some writings posted about 
Amsterdam cafes by a guy that has never even been to visit the TMer 
World Headquarters at MERU in Vlodrop? Not to mention an editor that has 
never been within a thousand miles to a MMY Golden Dome in her whole 
life?  Go figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread authfriend
Oh, you and Xeno go right ahead and take what he says seriously. That gives the 
rest of us a good idea of how seriously to take you (if anybody weren't already 
pretty sure).
 

  Xeno, I've always thought that that's exactly what Richard meant. Now I 
know for sure because he likes the Will Rogers sense of humor and wisdom. 
 

 Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken seriously' in 
post #368186 should not be taken seriously? 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 
 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.

 
  Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
 their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
 computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
 groups.
 
 And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
 discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
 monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
 work done on their computer. Go figure.
 
 It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
 at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
 toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
 with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
 on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
 for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
 up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 
 






 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Share Long
I'm with Maharishi on this one: Everything is important and nothing is serious.





On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:25 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Oh, you and Xeno go right ahead and take what he says seriously. That gives the 
rest of us a good idea of how seriously to take you (if anybody weren't already 
pretty sure).


 Xeno, I've always thought that that's exactly what Richard meant. Now I know 
for sure because he likes the Will Rogers sense of humor and wisdom. 


Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken seriously' in 
post #368186 should not be taken seriously? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:



As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.



 Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
groups.

And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
work done on their computer. Go figure.

It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread authfriend
Perfect. Thank you so much for making my point, Share.
 

  I'm with Maharishi on this one: Everything is important and nothing is 
serious. 

 

 
 
 On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Oh, you and Xeno go right ahead and take what he says seriously. That gives 
the rest of us a good idea of how seriously to take you (if anybody weren't 
already pretty sure).
 

  Xeno, I've always thought that that's exactly what Richard meant. Now I 
know for sure because he likes the Will Rogers sense of humor and wisdom. 
 

 Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken seriously' in 
post #368186 should not be taken seriously? 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 
 As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken 
seriously.

 
  Professional editors don't usually mix up their professional work and 
 their personal activities. At least most editors don't use the company 
 computer at work to send and receive personal messages to discussion 
 groups.
 
 And, most informants on message groups don't advertise their business on 
 discussion groups. And, I'd say that most professional editors don't 
 monitor a discussion group all day while they are trying to get some 
 work done on their computer. Go figure.
 
 It's been my experience that when doing computer work you need to allot 
 at least two hours on a project in order to make some real progress 
 toward completion. With distractions like email coming in all the time 
 with a tone sound; the television set on; the cell phone ringing; knocks 
 on the door; trips to the bathroom; dogs to walk; trips to the kitchen 
 for a snack; or out to the cafe or bar - it's a wonder anyone could keep 
 up with a fast-paced online chat room conversation like FFL. LoL! 
 






 


 












 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/5/2014 12:36 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Does this mean that the phrase 'Nothing I post is to be taken 
seriously' in post #368186 should not be taken seriously?


Seriously, it looks like someone is monitoring my messages to this group 
from a home office somewhere - every ten minutes, judging from the 
response time. How long does it take for a message to travel on the 
internet - a few nanoseconds? So, I wonder what took the corrector so 
long to post a reply. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/5/2014 11:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


*As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be 
taken seriously.*


*This post of his aptly demonstrates this point.*



My point was that for lurkers it's much more interesting to read what 
the TMers in Fairfield are doing and thinking. That's where the insider 
information is coming from. Nobody cares what the others informants have 
to say if they're not involved in any TMer activities. If there is going 
to be any insider information posted here about the TMO it will probably 
be coded in cypher for TMers only.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/5/2014 12:59 PM, Share Long wrote:
 thanks for vote of confidence but I'm really out of all the TMO loops.
 
You are more in the loop that most informants posting here - you 
probably see more TMers in a day than some people see in a whole year. 
According to my sources, most of the MUM students are on Facebook. There 
is at least one TM Governor lurking on this forum and two Rajas that I 
know of. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread Bhairitu
And you would see more Adventists in one day in Loma Linda than most 
people would see in a whole year elsewhere.  What's your point?


There is a good chance that a certain percentage of baby boomers you 
meet on the street may have tried TM back in the 60s or 70s. The vast 
majority practiced for awhile and either quit or moved on and some may 
still practice occasionally.  But the same can be said for other paths 
too.  As for Hollywood you could also find that a number pop stars and 
actors tried TM around the time the Beatles got involved because it was 
all the rage back then and next came EST and next came   Get the 
point?  Go figure.



On 02/05/2014 04:48 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 2/5/2014 12:59 PM, Share Long wrote:
 thanks for vote of confidence but I'm really out of all the TMO loops.

You are more in the loop that most informants posting here - you
probably see more TMers in a day than some people see in a whole year.
According to my sources, most of the MUM students are on Facebook. There
is at least one TM Governor lurking on this forum and two Rajas that I
know of. Go figure.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-02-05 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 2/5/2014 12:59 PM, Share Long wrote:
  thanks for vote of confidence but I'm really out of all the TMO loops.
 
 You are more in the loop that most informants posting here - you 
 probably see more TMers in a day than some people see in a whole year. 
 According to my sources, most of the MUM students are on Facebook. There 
 is at least one TM Governor lurking on this forum and two Rajas that I 
 know of. Go figure.
 

 

 

 

 

 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-21 Thread Michael Jackson
all the saints I ever communed with were cats, and they all loved to kill mice

On Wed, 1/22/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious 
Movements.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 2:25 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 
 In
 Graphing data-pairs of Saints and spiritual groups; along
 the path we all long-timers had experience to some
 degree with ranges and distribution of  personality
 narcissism in
 spiritual people, from ordered to disordered and with
 continuum of
 relatively saintly charismatic affect and the less than
 saintly
 spiritual behaviors.  In looking at spiritual leaders or
 looking at
 spiritual groups historically I tend to draw back and place
 them on
 Cartesian paired-data graphs working two types of relative
 scales to
 get a fix on the spirituality.  I find this works good as
 framework
 for placing any group or saint relatively.  Weber's
 definition of
 Charismatic can be one scale.   There also comes a calculus
 that can
 be seen through time with charismatics or their groups
 (life-cycle)
 for instance if you plot transformative spiritual
 affective-ness on
 one axis against the altruistic evolution of group
 organizational
 development on another.  Graphing like thus one can parse
 variously
 using data-pairs of scale to sort them out relatively.   
 
   
 For instance, 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc
 
 
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc
 
  
 Awoelflebater writes: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 How many times do I have to tell you
 Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go
 stare your
 horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not
 the most
 sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the
 ashy
 crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever
 it was you
 said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer,
 you need
 to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the
 cornfields to
 somewhere imaginary and strange.
 
 
 
 Weber's
 definition of charismatic is
 good for purpose of discussion generally and also for
 extending out
 to include the uncomfortable person who is skeptically asking
 in
 unknowing
 disbelief, “what exactly's a saint?”   I feel
 that granting the
 spiritual consideration of charisma makes the whole
 consideration of
 spirituality and charismatic leadership much more
 interesting and also makes for a more interesting sense of
 history too if people will grant for
 sake of discussion that charismatic saints do happen. 
 Weber's
 definition then begins to allow for further scholarly
 consideration
 of spirituality and of even the saintly, if people will
 grant it rather
 than just being in a position of contending and denying
 it.
 -Buck
 Thanks Buck but did you go
 out and look into your horse's eyes today? If you did,
 can you tell me what a saint can relay to you
 that those eyes can't? Did you feel anything? Learn
 anything? Did you realize that saintliness, depth and wisdom
 is everywhere to be found in the things around you? Did you
 know that the powers that be can't kick you out of the
 Dome for transcending into your horse's eyes? Sounds
 like a win win to me.
 I am not
 uncomfortable with the possibility that what you
 think of as saints exist, indeed, I surely hope
 they do. I believe all things are possible, including all
 manner of beings. Unknowing disbelief does not
 describe the nature of my incredulity about the existence of
 saints. I just don't think they are what you and others
 think they are. I think they are way more than
 that.
 Turq,
 separating the NP-Disordered as a
 consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution
 of
 consideration around the real spiritual charismatic.  The
 Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or
 some bad
 nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both
 may be independent of
 a charismatic life of saintly-hood as a trans-formative
 affective
 energy field in time.  Bad nurture or bad nature may
 travel with charisma evidently as part of the story.
  That is only human?  The OEM of the human form
 does come with ego included as part of the factory package
 on earth.  That evidently can give us all a lot to talk
 about and I appreciate your journalistic pursuit of the
 subject here.   
 -Buck in the Dome   
   
  Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma
 as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue
 of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and
 treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at
 least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These
 are such as are not accessible to the ordinary