Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-17 Thread Peter


--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a
  good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny
  story-although that was not his intent-about
  transcending for about 4 hours one day. 
 
 Though morbid obesity was the underlying reason for
 his death, the
 acute problem was some sort of strange blood
 poisoning that he
 apparently did treat properly.  One of those
 sensationist celebrity TV
 shows actually reported on it, implying some kind of
 possible family
 feud within the Tabasco empire.  Sam singlehandledly
 balanced out any
 moodmaking within our vedic atom.  He would
 alternate between 40 day
 juice fasts with coffee enemas, in which he would
 lose lots of weight,
 and then overeat for a few months.  I think his
 system just got out of
 whack eventually.

His brother, Paul, who's now the president of Tobasco
Company looks just like Sam. Probably a fat gene runs
in the family tree. You need some help to get up to
650lbs!


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter
Dawn was a student with me at MIU in the mid 70's. She
died very early on while in her late 20's. Like 26 or
27. Everybody was shocked...we wern't supposed to die
of such ignorant things like cancer!. What a bunch of
dopes we were.

--- sallysunshine01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also, not to beat a tired  horse ( I know this topic
 has sort of died out, no pun intended) 
 but does anyone remember a lady named Dawn Golden? 
 I think she died of cancer and 
 was only in her late 20s or  early 30s.  This was
 quite a while ago, sometime in the  80s.
 
 Also, someone named Randy, in his 40s I think, who
 was killed while doing constrcution 
 on the MUM campus.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Rick Archer
Diana (Munson) Schultz, Billy Shultz's wife was recently diagnosed with
inoperable liver cancer. Untreatable according to her Western doctors. Dean
Draznin here in Fairfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is coordinating the
collection of donations to help fund her pursuit of alternative treatments.
Billy and Diana are currently living in Hawaii.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter


--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   A few more come to mind
   
   Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
 
 Andy died of lung cancer and he was a non-smoker.
 
  Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
 
 Steve was being treated for Hodgkins Lymphoma which,
 apparently was
 under control. He died of the side effects of one of
 the meds he was
 taking which had listed, sudden heart failure as a
 possible side effect.
  
  Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late
 forties
 
 Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed
 650 pounds.

Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam
yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home
fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass away?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter


--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late
   forties
   
   Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He
 weighed
   650 pounds.
  
  Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam
  yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home
  fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass
 away?
  
  Hi Peter this is me Anonymous Ken Hassman. The last
 time I actually
 saw/hung out with Sam was in 1991-1992. He and Jim
 Meredith (remember
 Jim)were sharing a house over in Oakland. Sam had
 already ballooned up
 to no less than 350 pounds probably more, or so,
 needed a cane to help
 him stay up and balanced, and moved really slowly. I
 had occasion,
 once when over at Jim and Sam's house visiting to
 see Sam in minimal
 cloting and it was absolutely shocking how big he
 was and how hard it
 was for him to get himself upright from bed.
 Probably a few years
 later, I ran into Michael Thune (remember him)in
 Albany (just north of
 Berkeley). Michael was close with Sam and he was the
 one who told me
 Sam had died and weighed 650 pounds when they found
 him dead in his
 bed. Sam had moved back to Louisianna (I think)
 where his family was
 as he had inherited some big house when his dad died
 (I may be getting
 my facts mixed up a bit, but I'm close).
 Ken

Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a
good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny
story-although that was not his intent-about
transcending for about 4 hours one day. 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured
 out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse,
 which she stabled near Ottumwa.
 
 Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days
 after the
 accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of
 detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came
 to one
 of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality
 state
 as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now.
 
 
 Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of
 someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right-
 brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM
 show a balanced EEG between right and left sides.
 
 Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here
 tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG
 pattern.

I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents
that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America
they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after
being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread gullible fool
 
 I know and have read about several people who
 suffered traumatic accidents
 that appear to have kicked them into a more
 enlightened state.

Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those
times and that's the reason why the individual feels
so different. 

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they
 ventured
  out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her
 horse,
  which she stabled near Ottumwa.
  
  Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma
 for a few days
  after the
  accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a
 CC-like state of
  detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many
 years. Hated it. Came
  to one
  of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped
 out of the duality
  state
  as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since.
 Very happy lady now.
  
  
  Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The
 brainwaves of
  someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a
 lopsided, right-
  brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting
 witnessing due to TM
  show a balanced EEG between right and left sides.
  
  Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist
 techniques that some here
  tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in
 this lop-sided EEG
  pattern.
 
 I know and have read about several people who
 suffered traumatic accidents
 that appear to have kicked them into a more
 enlightened state. In S. America
 they have lightening shamans - people who became
 psychic or healers after
 being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley:
 http://tinyurl.com/7bquk
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
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 wrote:
 
   
   I know and have read about several people who
   suffered traumatic accidents
   that appear to have kicked them into a more
   enlightened state.
  
  Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at
 those
  times and that's the reason why the individual
 feels
  so different. 
 
 You say walk-in; I say PTSD.

And Ramana says, Who feels different?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the
 mid-90s or so. He was what, 50?

Younger

 
 Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s?
 
 Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an
 oncoming truck between Fairfield and 
 Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was
 trying to avoid by virtue of having been 
 warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident
 a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers 
 was driving during the fatal incident; they lost
 control when passing over an icy patch on 
 the road.

It was just east of that country western bar. I heard
that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing
about her being at risk.

 
 Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of
 homicide.

Pam Noble, early 30's, brain tumors
George (used to work at ITG) early 40's, heart attack


 
 For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular
 meditator who died of homicide at age 
 57.

Man, that is tough, Patrick!


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care
 to expand upon it?
   
   I was struck a number of years by the legion of
 meditators, sidhas,
   initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas,
 Mother Divines, rajahs and
   other Movement potentates who had suffered
 untimely deaths. You
   mentioned several. After all, the number of
 hardcore meditators is
   really quite small, just a few thousands, I
 would think. I have worked
   for several organizations larger than that and
 cannot recall anywhere
   near a comparable percentage of people in their
 40s or 50 croaking. That
   clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would
 like to see reliable
   statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert
 Keith Wallace would be
   interested in such a research topic??!!
   
   What if we began our own accounting of such
 deaths? My start is the
   attached table. If you think it makes sense you
 might solicit names
  on FFL.
   
 Name   Cause of Death   Approx. Age*
 Dawn Casper   breast cancer   50
 Kristi Kamins   breast cancer   52
 Bobby Warren   drowning   45
 Geo. Gleeson   heart attack   45
 Margaret Cooper   MS   60
 David Weiner   testicular cancer   44
 Maxine Trzebiatowski   breast cancer   45
 Kurleigh King   Prostate cancer
 Doug Henning   Liver Cancer   52
 Skip Alexander   Liver Cancer
 Jane Hopson   ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease)   62
  
  
  A few more come to mind
  
  Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
  Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor
  Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater)
  Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
  Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back
  
  swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago
  
  cc girl at MIU?
  
  the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin
  
  Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin 
  
  I remember a story of someone dying outside domes
 of heart attack, the
  day after he saw top vaida guy
  
  A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who
 died of AIDS, some
  KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi?  
  
  Seems like there are more that I have heard of but
 escape me at the
  moment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Rick Archer
Then there was Nona Hamburg, who in the early 1970's went in to the
meditation room in the New Haven center and mysteriously died while
meditating. She was in her 20's.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured
 out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse,
 which she stabled near Ottumwa.

Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the
accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of
detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one
of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state
as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they
 ventured
  out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her
 horse,
  which she stabled near Ottumwa.
 
 Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma
 for a few days after the
 accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a
 CC-like state of
 detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many
 years. Hated it. Came to one
 of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped
 out of the duality state
 as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since.
 Very happy lady now.

Ho Humjust another day at the satsang!



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Peter Sutphen wrote:
  
  --- Patrick Gillam wrote:
  
   Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an
   oncoming truck between Fairfield and 
   Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was
   trying to avoid by virtue of having been 
   warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car
 accident
   a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers 
   was driving during the fatal incident; they lost
   control when passing over an icy patch on 
   the road.
  
  It was just east of that country western bar. I
 heard
  that her jyotish, done a few days before, said
 nothing
  about her being at risk.
 
 Funny we would hear conflicting stories.

Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some
time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had
some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw
that there was a specific period I was entering that I
was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said
that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks
later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front
of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked
right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car.
Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it
and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's
the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish.   



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nat is very much alive.
 
 Some to add to the untimely list:
 Denise Robatai
 Julia Fritz
 Sharon Welsh
 Tobi Finebloom
 Sabine (German lady)
 all were on Mother Divine.
 
 Skip Alexander
 Debbie Kockel
 the Purusha guy in the fire

Sten, Rick's friend


 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 Margaret Cooper   MS   60
   
   Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret
 Norman, but
   the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for
 a
   while and a resident of my town before moving to
 ff
   with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60.
 I
   thought she was 37 or so at the time.
  
  Different person.
 
   There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by
   lightning while hiking up a mountain in
 Colorado.
   
   Also, Goldfaber.
  
  Nat is still alive, isn't he?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread gullible fool
 
 I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy
 checking in with 
 FFL now and again.

Does that mean we have only 999 members?

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 I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy
 checking in with 
 FFL now and again.  Being dead is often boring but
 if you like to 
 surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the
 connections are very 
 fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We
 are told here 
 that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web
 connections is the 
 principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care
 to expand upon 
 it?
   
   I was struck a number of years by the legion of
 meditators, 
 sidhas,
   initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas,
 Mother Divines, 
 rajahs and
   other Movement potentates who had suffered
 untimely deaths. You
   mentioned several. After all, the number of
 hardcore meditators 
 is
   really quite small, just a few thousands, I
 would think. I have 
 worked
   for several organizations larger than that and
 cannot recall 
 anywhere
   near a comparable percentage of people in their
 40s or 50 
 croaking. That
   clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would
 like to see 
 reliable
   statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert
 Keith Wallace 
 would be
   interested in such a research topic??!!
   
   What if we began our own accounting of such
 deaths? My start is 
 the
   attached table. If you think it makes sense you
 might solicit 
 names
  on FFL.
   
 Name   Cause of Death   Approx. Age*
 Dawn Casper   breast cancer   50
 Kristi Kamins   breast cancer   52
 Bobby Warren   drowning   45
 Geo. Gleeson   heart attack   45
 Margaret Cooper   MS   60
 David Weiner   testicular cancer   44
 Maxine Trzebiatowski   breast cancer   45
 Kurleigh King   Prostate cancer
 Doug Henning   Liver Cancer   52
 Skip Alexander   Liver Cancer
 Jane Hopson   ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease)   62
  
  
  A few more come to mind
  
  Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
  Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor
  Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater)
  Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
  Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back
  
  swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago
  
  cc girl at MIU?
  
  the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin
  
  Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin 
  
  I remember a story of someone dying outside domes
 of heart attack, 
 the
  day after he saw top vaida guy
  
  A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who
 died of AIDS, some
  KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi?  
  
  Seems like there are more that I have heard of but
 escape me at the
  moment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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