Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 

 

 Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized!

 

 Yup, it works for me! 
 

 Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like 
meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing 
in English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 
 

 But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 
 

 To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.
 

 The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.
 

 But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't 
let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 












 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-21 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Baker has always been my favorite Dr. - My daughter LOVES Dr. Who, tho her favs 
have been David Tennant and Matt Smith. Didn't take her long to accept Peter 
Capaldi. I haven't seen any of Capaldi's episodes yet. 




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 


Dr.
Who keeps 'em mesmerized!


Yup, it works for me! 

Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like 
meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then.



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people
sound American when they sing in English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?


We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 

But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to
have you removed, which generally took ages. 

To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.

The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.

But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let 
their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.






 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter
from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the 
place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did 
exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in 
good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And 
we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know
what they're missing!






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Baker has always been my favorite Dr. - My daughter LOVES Dr. Who, tho her 
favs have been David Tennant and Matt Smith. Didn't take her long to accept 
Peter Capaldi. I haven't seen any of Capaldi's episodes yet. 

 

 I didn't like Matt Smith, I thought he was too young and there was always too 
much running around frantically. I prefer the old BBC style of story telling 
but the Capaldi stories have been a real treat, I tune in every week, just like 
when I was a kid. 
 

 Not that I ever grew up, I've still got a lot of the DVD's of the 70's series, 
they're my favourite nostalgic treat. Did you ever see Blakes 7? It was a more 
grown up BBC sci-fi series that Dr Who fans gravitated to when we hit puberty 
and the whovian storylines started looking a bit thin. 
 

 Blakes 7, worth searching out if you've never had the pleasure.
 

 

 Blakes 7 (TV Series 1978–1981) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ 
 
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ 
 
 Blakes 7 (TV Series 1978–1981) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ Created by 
Terry Nation. With Michael Keating, Paul Darrow, Peter Tuddenham, Jan Chappell. 
A group of convicts and outcasts fight a guerrilla war against the...
 
 
 
 View on www.imdb.com http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing 
in English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 

 

 Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized!

 

 Yup, it works for me! 
 

 Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like 
meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing 
in English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 
 

 But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 
 

 To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.
 

 The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.
 

 But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't 
let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in 
Bridget Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible.  These days though 
it's possible for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think 
back in the day that there was more demand for foreign actors to do 
American accents than for American actors to do foreign accents.  But 
now there are good voice coaches who can make an American sound like 
they're from across the pond.  In some cases this is due to accent 
reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or teach in other 
countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction principles 
have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent when 
needed.


I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some 
accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are 
plentiful here.


On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when 
each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do 
American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My 
reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they 
take the craft a bit more seriously.



I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a 
native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas 
of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more 
homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century 
English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
.


And how to read Shakespeare correctly!


5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html





image 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html



5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 

Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
linguistic theories


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in Bridget 
Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible.  These days though it's possible 
for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think back in the day that 
there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for 
American actors to do foreign accents.  But now there are good voice coaches 
who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond.  In some 
cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or 
teach in other countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction 
principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent 
when needed.

I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find
  some accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and
  they are plentiful here.

On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does 
the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they 
are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English 
are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. 


I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of 
England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may 
be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded 
Irish to me. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
. 



And how to read Shakespeare correctly!


5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph


 

   
   5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph  
Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
linguistic theories 
 
View on www.telegraph.co.ukPreview by Yahoo  

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.

 

 Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in 
the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw 
either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face.
 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   
 I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in Bridget 
Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible.  These days though it's possible 
for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think back in the day that 
there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for 
American actors to do foreign accents.  But now there are good voice coaches 
who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond.  In some 
cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or 
teach in other countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction 
principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent 
when needed.
 
 I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some accent 
reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are plentiful here.
 
 On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, 
does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, 
they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the 
English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more 
seriously. 
 

 I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of 
England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be 
easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish 
to me. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 . 
 

 And how to read Shakespeare correctly!
 

 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph
 
 
 
 
 
 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph Why English people sound 
American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories


 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 





 

 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming 
Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin.


Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play 
her in the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I 
actually saw either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap 
in the face.




It's about A-List actors who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings 
to the multiplexes.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.
 
 
 
 Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in 
the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw 
either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face.
 





 
 It's about A-List actors who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings to 
the multiplexes.
 
 Of course. I'm unmotivated by who the actor is and forget that you guys might 
enjoy watching one of your own impersonate a foreigner.  I can't stand period 
costume drama, all that curtseying and grovelling, life was only like that for 
1% of the country and the rest of us had to pick up the slack. Why doesn't 
someone make a movie about the Tolpuddle Martyrs or the Levellers or the 
Peterloo massacre? That's the stuff for me. Or robots. Movies with robots work 
too.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the 
Black Death! 
 

 Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move 
in.
 

 Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil 
offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or 
otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords 
had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 
 

 But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 
 

 To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.
 

 The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.
 

 But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't 
let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 


Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized!




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?


We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 

But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 

To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.

The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.

But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let 
their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.






 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in 
winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is 
the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters??




 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  
Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the 
Black Death! 

Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move 
in.

Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil 
offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or 
otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords 
had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

2014-10-20 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ha ha! Here is a good article on it - couple years old but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53579/Squatter-owner-100-000-flat.html
  
 
Squatter becomes owner of £100,000 flat
Struggling artist Jack Blackburn yesterday became the owner of the £100,000 
council flat he had squatted in for 13 years  
View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?


We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 

But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 

To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.

The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.

But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let 
their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.






 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!