Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?

One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does 
that make me?

Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 
'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I 
thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out 
people like you. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up 
lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in 
mythology would effect the entire universe!!!




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.

I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?

It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.

Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.

John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.

If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?

So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds 
around different stars will have different types of influences according to 
however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their 
owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an 
ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the 
equation when they planned the trip to the moon.

Fun concept to ponder though...



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very 
corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of 
planets.  This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter.  So I 
would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on 
other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with 
planetary returns.


But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in 
free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think 
is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe.  
Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter.


On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Salyavin,


Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can 
be found in our brain.  He is saying that there is a physical 
manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in 
the human conciousness.


IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have 
an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and 
consciousness in order to be called sentient.


But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit 
a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form 
of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those 
distant worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine 
planets that we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of 
intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system.



I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras 
that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, 
life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac 
signs that are pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?



It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a 
sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity 
which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore 
affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which 
are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart.



Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the 
picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a 
lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us 
and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know 
about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not 
that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, 
and any other field for the same reasons.



John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the 
brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big 
bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly 
ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he /knows/ 
is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for 
yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all 
part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs.



If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it 
is  - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being 
on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're 
about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have 
on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to 
planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the 
others, or doesn't ours count?



So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, 
different worlds around different stars will have different types of 
influences according to however the types of planets and their 
distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a 
universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition 
that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable 
vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out 
of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon.



Fun concept to ponder though...







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
MJ, 

 The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific.  The sun in our solar 
system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth 
and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns.  For example, spring starts the 
life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power 
as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of 
the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up 
lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in 
mythology would effect the entire universe!!!

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.
 

 I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?
 

 It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.
 

 Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.
 

 John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.
 

 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?
 

 So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different 
worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according 
to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect 
their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's 
an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the 
equation when they planned the trip to the moon.
 

 Fun concept to ponder though...
 




 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
astrology is ancient, science it is not, Calling jyotish, yagya  and all that 
other stuff don't make it science.




 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 


  
Barry,

Astrology is an ancient science.  But, with the present understanding that 
consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance 
of astrology in modern science.   Astrology can be seen as an advanced version 
of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100
million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think 
if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we 
stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?

One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does 
that make me?

Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 
'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I 
thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out 
people like you. 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - 
hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow.




 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 


  
MJ,

The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific.  The sun in our solar 
system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth 
and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns.  For example, spring starts the 
life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power 
as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of 
the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up 
lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in 
mythology would effect the entire universe!!!




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.

I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?

It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.

Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences,
and any other field for the same reasons.

John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.

If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter
strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what 
affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force 
connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from 
the others, or doesn't ours count?

So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds 
around different stars will have different types of influences according to 
however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their 
owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an 
ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and
personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned 
the trip to the moon.

Fun concept to ponder though...





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - 
hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow.

 

 Well, he's right, as long as the planet tilts like the Earth does!
 

 What I don't get is the relevance to anything astrological like we were 
talking about in the first place!
 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 
 
   MJ,
 

 The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific.  The sun in our solar 
system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth 
and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns.  For example, spring starts the 
life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power 
as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of 
the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere.
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up 
lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in 
mythology would effect the entire universe!!!

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.
 

 I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?
 

 It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.
 

 Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.
 

 John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.
 

 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?
 

 So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different 
worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according 
to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect 
their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's 
an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the 
equation when they planned the trip to the moon.
 

 Fun concept to ponder though...
 




 















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bhairitu, 

 IMO, this is what Patanjali was saying in the sutra that's mentioned in this 
thread.  That is, on earthlike exoplanets, the same annual patterns that are 
found here on earth can be found there.  IOW, those exoplanets would have an 
equivalent to spring, summer, autumn and winter.
 

 As sentient beings, we have to realize that the annual patterns on earth 
affect us physiologically and mentally.  We are part of the earth's life cycle. 
 Or, one can look at it in another way:  we are part of the celebration of life 
here on earth.
 

 But logic and self-introspection show us that we all have a unique self that 
knows it knows, independent of nature's mechanical functions.
 

 This is the reason why I believe that the various states of human 
consciousness are the natural extension of space and time.  IOW, the various 
states of consciousness are the higher dimensions above spacetime.  These 
higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up in space.  Rather, they are the 
potential that are inherent in nature.  It's a story of the Self creating 
matter in order to develop to know Itself.   The Bhagavad Gita has mentioned 
this eternal cycle of creativity of the Self.
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very 
corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of 
planets.  This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter.  So I would 
think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets 
which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns.
 
 But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free 
will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result 
of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe.  Nothing to fear as 
it doesn't matter.
 
 On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   Salyavin,
 

 Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found 
in our brain.  He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the 
impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness.
 

 IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an 
equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness 
in order to be called sentient.
 

 But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very 
low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various 
elements and their resulting atomic structures.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.
 
 
 I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?
 
 
 It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.
 
 
 Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.
 
 
 John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.
 
 
 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Depends on what is meant by earthlike exoplanets.  They would need to 
have the same distance from their star as earth does from the sun, the 
same direction for rotation and the same orbital period.


Remember that astronomy was born of a need for knowing planetary 
positions in astrology.  Kepler made his living by drawing up charts for 
astrologers.  So it is a good idea for *any* astrologer to become 
knowledgeable about astronomy.  There could be planets with living 
beings who have two suns and even more than one moon.  I would say any 
use of astrology there might take on completely different cycles 
especially if astrology is just a primitive method of tracking natural 
cycles.


You are much safer to assert the use of planets as cycle markers than 
going into their connection with consciousness which is still a bit out 
of reach for science to research yet.


As for the skeptics here, none of them are scientists so don't worry 
about them.


On 10/15/2014 01:47 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bhairitu,


IMO, this is what Patanjali was saying in the sutra that's mentioned 
in this thread.  That is, on earthlike exoplanets, the same annual 
patterns that are found here on earth can be found there.  IOW, those 
exoplanets would have an equivalent to spring, summer, autumn and winter.


As sentient beings, we have to realize that the annual patterns on 
earth affect us physiologically and mentally.  We are part of the 
earth's life cycle.  Or, one can look at it in another way:  we are 
part of the celebration of life here on earth.


But logic and self-introspection show us that we all have a unique 
self that knows it knows, independent of nature's mechanical functions.


This is the reason why I believe that the various states of human 
consciousness are the natural extension of space and time.  IOW, the 
various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions above 
spacetime.  These higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up in 
space.  Rather, they are the potential that are inherent in nature. 
 It's a story of the Self creating matter in order to develop to know 
Itself.   The Bhagavad Gita has mentioned this eternal cycle of 
creativity of the Self.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also 
very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the 
returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and 
Jupiter.  So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural 
patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity 
correlate with planetary returns.


But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe 
in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and 
think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the 
universe.  Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter.


On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


Salyavin,


Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can 
be found in our brain.  He is saying that there is a physical 
manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in 
the human conciousness.


IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to 
have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology 
and consciousness in order to be called sentient.


But one argue that even rocks here on earth have 
consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a 
clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting 
atomic structures.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... 
mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :


IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those 
distant worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine 
planets that we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of 
intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system.



I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras 
that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, 
life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same 
zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make 
sense?



It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a 
sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity 
which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore 
affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which 
are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart.



Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the 
picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a 
lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't think salyavin is much willing to speculate beyond what hard science 
has found. 

 Certainly the safest way to proceed, but not really how big discoveries are 
made.
 

 his prerogative of course.
 

 on the other hand, he will be a big booster once something is ascertained.
 

 (leading from behind)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very 
corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of 
planets.  This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter.  So I would 
think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets 
which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns.
 
 But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free 
will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result 
of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe.  Nothing to fear as 
it doesn't matter.
 
 On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   Salyavin,
 

 Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found 
in our brain.  He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the 
impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness.
 

 IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an 
equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness 
in order to be called sentient.
 

 But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very 
low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various 
elements and their resulting atomic structures.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.
 
 
 I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?
 
 
 It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.
 
 
 Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.
 
 
 John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.
 
 
 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?
 
 
 So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different 
worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according 
to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect 
their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's 
an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the 
equation when they planned the trip to the moon.
 
 
 Fun concept to ponder though...
 
 






 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
son, throw in a bit of a more direct TM angle, and you will find the time.  
you'll likely drop whatever you are doing for a good two or three post run. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - 
hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow.

 

 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 
 
   MJ,
 

 The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific.  The sun in our solar 
system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth 
and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns.  For example, spring starts the 
life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power 
as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of 
the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere.
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up 
lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in 
mythology would effect the entire universe!!!

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike 
Exoplanets?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 IMO, yes.  The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant 
worlds.  Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that 
we're using here on Earth.  But the same impulses of intelligence would have 
to be calculated in its own solar system.
 

 I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that 
samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world.  IOW, life on these 
earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are 
pertinent here on our earth.  Doesn't that make sense?
 

 It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated 
brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known 
force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance 
unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that 
hold atoms apart.
 

 Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture 
because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on 
the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in 
our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too 
much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off 
the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons.
 

 John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain 
forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin 
should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter 
bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to 
continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes 
it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their 
beliefs.
 

 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is  - I 
would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do 
to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles 
closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is 
some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would 
swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count?
 

 So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different 
worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according 
to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect 
their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's 
an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's 
malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at 
all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the 
equation when they planned the trip to the moon.
 

 Fun concept to ponder though...