Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/28/2014 06:31 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / / /On 11/28/2014 7:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Because history repeats itself. The people have the right of revolution but individuals do not. At present you stand alone. Hardly, you must not be paying attention to the news. Do you know that the riots going on about Ferguson really don't have as much to do with racial problems as they do with increasing poverty, lack of jobs, police militarization, economic inequity? When people can't afford food anymore then revolutions occur as they did in France and Russia and coming soon to a country near you. /All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient./ *The Constitution of Texas, Article 1, Sect 2:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas /All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. / Try reading the article first before you comment. The professor disagrees with you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / / /On 11/28/2014 7:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Because history repeats itself. The people have the right of revolution but individuals do not. At present you stand alone. On 11/29/2014 11:30 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Hardly, you must not be paying attention to the news. Do you know that the riots going on about Ferguson really don't have as much to do with racial problems as they do with increasing poverty, lack of jobs, police militarization, economic inequity? When people can't afford food anymore then revolutions occur as they did in France and Russia and coming soon to a country near you. /Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished. The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, a set of ideals in which freedom includes the equal opportunity for prosperity and success achieved through hard work. Everyone is equal and they are all endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights which include Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. If you do not agree with this, you should leave the country./ /All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient./ *The Constitution of Texas, Article 1, Sect 2:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas /All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. / Try reading the article first before you comment. The professor disagrees with you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/29/2014 10:50 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / / /On 11/28/2014 7:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Because history repeats itself. The people have the right of revolution but individuals do not. At present you stand alone. On 11/29/2014 11:30 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Hardly, you must not be paying attention to the news. Do you know that the riots going on about Ferguson really don't have as much to do with racial problems as they do with increasing poverty, lack of jobs, police militarization, economic inequity? When people can't afford food anymore then revolutions occur as they did in France and Russia and coming soon to a country near you. /Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished. The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, a set of ideals in which freedom includes the equal opportunity for prosperity and success achieved through hard work. Everyone is equal and they are all endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights which include Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. If you do not agree with this, you should leave the country./ The problem could be solved just doing two things which you will hate: 1) a basic guaranteed income so no one falls through the cracks. The need for this is becoming more obvious than ever as jobs disappear due to automation. 2) an income and estate limit the latter probably for about $20 million. Reach that and every penny over goes to the government to help fund number 1. Now there's plenty leeway in between but if you are so materialistic and greedy that $20 million isn't enough then perhaps you belong in an insane asylum. It's simply that our system has become dysfunctional for it's citizens and time for change.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
/The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, a set of ideals in which freedom includes the equal opportunity for prosperity and success achieved through hard work. Everyone is equal and they are all endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights which include Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. If you do not agree with this, you should leave the country./ On 11/29/2014 3:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The problem could be solved just doing two things which you will hate: 1) a basic guaranteed income so no one falls through the cracks. The need for this is becoming more obvious than ever as jobs disappear due to automation. 2) an income and estate limit the latter probably for about $20 million. Reach that and every penny over goes to the government to help fund number 1. Now there's plenty leeway in between but if you are so materialistic and greedy that $20 million isn't enough then perhaps you belong in an insane asylum. My system is one everyone would love: 1) Universal employment making good money so everyone can pay their own way. 2) A smaller government with a balanced budget and no taxation. 3) Unlimited freedom to earn and save or spend as much money as you want. It's simply that our system has become dysfunctional for it's citizens and time for change. Our free market system was voted in by the *people* who hold the power - it's the individuals who don't believe in freedom and liberty and equality that are dysfunctional. /No government should be allowed to spend more money than it has in the bank./ Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/29/2014 05:13 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: /The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, a set of ideals in which freedom includes the equal opportunity for prosperity and success achieved through hard work. Everyone is equal and they are all endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights which include Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. If you do not agree with this, you should leave the country./ On 11/29/2014 3:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The problem could be solved just doing two things which you will hate: 1) a basic guaranteed income so no one falls through the cracks. The need for this is becoming more obvious than ever as jobs disappear due to automation. 2) an income and estate limit the latter probably for about $20 million. Reach that and every penny over goes to the government to help fund number 1. Now there's plenty leeway in between but if you are so materialistic and greedy that $20 million isn't enough then perhaps you belong in an insane asylum. My system is one everyone would love: 1) Universal employment making good money so everyone can pay their own way. And the jobs come from where? The government? Well that screws up your number 2 proposal. 2) A smaller government with a balanced budget and no taxation. And you propose to pay for that tiny government how? You can have a smaller government with my proposal. 3) Unlimited freedom to earn and save or spend as much money as you want. Would be gamed by the selfish and greedy. The wannabe napoleons. We don't need any stinkin' napoleons. They fuck everything up. It's simply that our system has become dysfunctional for it's citizens and time for change. Our free market system was voted in by the *people* who hold the power - it's the individuals who don't believe in freedom and liberty and equality that are dysfunctional. /No government should be allowed to spend more money than it has in the bank./ So cut defense spending. Oh, can't do that, America must be number one and exceptional. What a fool's dream! Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished. So you would have thrown the founding fathers in prison?
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/29/2014 3:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The problem could be solved just doing two things which you will hate: 1) a basic guaranteed income so no one falls through the cracks. The need for this is becoming more obvious than ever as jobs disappear due to automation. 2) an income and estate limit the latter probably for about $20 million. Reach that and every penny over goes to the government to help fund number 1. Now there's plenty leeway in between but if you are so materialistic and greedy that $20 million isn't enough then perhaps you belong in an insane asylum. My system is one everyone would love: 1) Universal employment making good money so everyone can pay their own way. On 11/29/2014 8:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: And the jobs come from where? The government? Well that screws up your number 2 proposal. /Jobs that pay good money don't come from the government - they come from the private sector./ 2) A smaller government with a balanced budget and no taxation. And you propose to pay for that tiny government how? You can have a smaller government with my proposal. /A small federal government doesn't need a big budget - most of the governing should be in the individual states./ 3) Unlimited freedom to earn and save or spend as much money as you want. Would be gamed by the selfish and greedy. The wannabe napoleons. We don't need any stinkin' napoleons. They fuck everything up. /Freedom means freedom to be selfish and greedy, if that's what they want./ It's simply that our system has become dysfunctional for it's citizens and time for change. Our free market system was voted in by the *people* who hold the power - it's the individuals who don't believe in freedom and liberty and equality that are dysfunctional. /No government should be allowed to spend more money than it has in the bank./ So cut defense spending. Oh, can't do that, America must be number one and exceptional. What a fool's dream! /No, cut the federal budget by downsizing to pay for self-defense. The federal government should have a balanced budget, no borrowing./ Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished. So you would have thrown the founding fathers in prison? /The founding fathers represented the //*people*//- they did not act as individuals.//Anyone that threatens the liberty of others, to seal rich people inside bunkers with concrete, or attempts overthrow the elected government, should be arrested, punished and put in prison. Anyone should be free to be rich if they want to be. It's in the U.S. Constitution./
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/29/2014 07:00 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/29/2014 3:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The problem could be solved just doing two things which you will hate: 1) a basic guaranteed income so no one falls through the cracks. The need for this is becoming more obvious than ever as jobs disappear due to automation. 2) an income and estate limit the latter probably for about $20 million. Reach that and every penny over goes to the government to help fund number 1. Now there's plenty leeway in between but if you are so materialistic and greedy that $20 million isn't enough then perhaps you belong in an insane asylum. My system is one everyone would love: 1) Universal employment making good money so everyone can pay their own way. On 11/29/2014 8:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: And the jobs come from where? The government? Well that screws up your number 2 proposal. /Jobs that pay good money don't come from the government - they come from the private sector./ But what if the private sector doesn't need any more workers? 2) A smaller government with a balanced budget and no taxation. And you propose to pay for that tiny government how? You can have a smaller government with my proposal. /A small federal government doesn't need a big budget - most of the governing should be in the individual states./ So you would prefer paying higher state taxes? / / 3) Unlimited freedom to earn and save or spend as much money as you want. Would be gamed by the selfish and greedy. The wannabe napoleons. We don't need any stinkin' napoleons. They fuck everything up. /Freedom means freedom to be selfish and greedy, if that's what they want./ Such attitudes are destructive to society. If you can't see that then you are part of the problem. It's simply that our system has become dysfunctional for it's citizens and time for change. Our free market system was voted in by the *people* who hold the power - it's the individuals who don't believe in freedom and liberty and equality that are dysfunctional. /No government should be allowed to spend more money than it has in the bank./ So cut defense spending. Oh, can't do that, America must be number one and exceptional. What a fool's dream! /No, cut the federal budget by downsizing to pay for self-defense. The federal government should have a balanced budget, no borrowing./ But you still have to pay off all that debt to China. Political power is inherent in the *people.* When individuals rebel and break the law they should be punished. So you would have thrown the founding fathers in prison? /The founding fathers represented the //*people*//- they did not act as individuals./ So does the public when they rebel against the establishment. /Anyone that threatens the liberty of others, to seal rich people inside bunkers with concrete, or attempts overthrow the elected government, should be arrested, punished and put in prison./ Thomas Jefferson suggested that if the government no longer serves the people then it should be overthrown. Apparently you favor the status quo? // /Anyone should be free to be rich if they want to be. It's in the U.S. Constitution./ Where exactly in the U.S. Constitution?
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/28/2014 5:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote: “America has no higher rate of social mobility than medieval England, so says UC Davis economics prof: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/uc-davis-economics-professor-there-is-no-american-dream/ Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? //All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/28/2014 04:27 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/28/2014 5:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote: “America has no higher rate of social mobility than medieval England, so says UC Davis economics prof: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/uc-davis-economics-professor-there-is-no-american-dream/ Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / Because history repeats itself. /All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. / Try reading the article first before you comment. The professor disagrees with you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / / /On 11/28/2014 7:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Because history repeats itself. The people have the right of revolution but individuals do not. At present you stand alone. /All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient./ *The Constitution of Texas, Article 1, Sect 2:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas /All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. / Try reading the article first before you comment. The professor disagrees with you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Living the American Dream in Brazil
I don't know what that means Shemp but in any case I hope you are not voting for McCain. If you do I hope you go to fight in Iran or Georgia or anywhere he can create a war to prove himself to his father and grand father and America that he is a Great Commander and Chief. In terms of the Brazilians entering US. Do you know that the majority of the people who worked in the Clean up of New Orleans were illegal aliens? They were paid up to 30.00/hr. I know a whole family of them. Imagine not one or two but 10 from the same family in USA illegally sponsored by someone named Prescott Bush... I have been trying to get information on this guy but the only Prescott that I have found was the grandfather. However it is one of the brothers I believe. In any case just another trick played on America. An immigration bill is for whom? --- On Sun, 8/24/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Living the American Dream in Brazil To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:03 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brazilian people are coming into the US every week. They come into New Jersey, Texas, California and Mass. They get fake names, or at least fake ss cards, fake green cards and get jobs making as much as any americans it cost 4000 usd and they can work it off. The program is headed by a member of the Bush Family. It warms my heart to know that you're voting for Obama, Louis. It confirms everything I need to know about Obama supporters. You should get together with Rick Archer and compare notes. So within months they have nearly new cars homes and the ability to send large amounts of money back to Brazil. So much for immigration --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Living the American Dream in Brazil To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 7:05 PM I wonder what our Brazilian members think of this article: http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/08/200881884358873790.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Living the American Dream in Brazil
Louis McKenzie wrote: I don't know what that means Shemp but in any case I hope you are not voting for McCain. If you do I hope you go to fight in Iran or Georgia or anywhere he can create a war to prove himself to his father and grand father and America that he is a Great Commander and Chief. Shemp a Canadian expat and can't vote. So he really is just flappin' his gums. In terms of the Brazilians entering US. Do you know that the majority of the people who worked in the Clean up of New Orleans were illegal aliens? They were paid up to 30.00/hr. I know a whole family of them. Imagine not one or two but 10 from the same family in USA illegally sponsored by someone named Prescott Bush... I have been trying to get information on this guy but the only Prescott that I have found was the grandfather. However it is one of the brothers I believe. It was probably Marvin Bush, Dubya's brother and somewhat suspect in 9-11 because his company was in charge of security for the twin towers and also made dough with his company that carted away the debris before any forensics could be performed on the site. And yes I believe he had a company that did Katrina cleanup maybe along with his brother Neil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush In any case just another trick played on America. An immigration bill is for whom? The Fourth Reich doesn't want an immigration bill, just a North American Union. That's about the only thing that Corsi was a little correct on and why even the mainstream press will bash him because they don't want attention on his NAU stuff which BTW is a matter of public record as to the agreements signed between Canada, Mexico and the US. They want to do away with borders altogether like the EU. I don't see anything much too wrong with that other than trying to conceal it from Americans which they probably due because the citizens would put a kibosh on it. But then I'm not a big fan of free markets either as what it really means is the ability for crooks to scam the public.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Living the American Dream in Brazil
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what our Brazilian members think of this article: http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/08/200881884358873790.html From the article: The US dollar is at its weakest level against the Brazilian real in decades. In 2004, every dollar sent home bought approximately four Brazilian reais (R$). Today one dollar fetches only about one real and 63 cents. == == That makes it tougher for me because as a retired US gringo my retirement income is in US dollars. But yes, the economy is booming here. Interestingly Brazil is currently energy independent using both gasoline from their oil wells and ethanol from their sugar cane. They also recently discovered a massive oil field off the coast that could make Brazil one of the major oil exporters in the years to come. Now the caution here would be is this a bubble? IOW, you're friends and neighbors could get the impression this could last forever and put themselves into deep debt and the economy goes crashing down in five years. Several years ago on an Indian discussion group they were gaga over their big economic boom there and I warned them that what goes up must come down and they didn't want to hear it. But now that bubble has started to burst over there, some of those people will wish they had listened.
