Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


A new psychology paper 
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886914000324 studied the 
personalities of those who engage in trolling (known in some quarters 
as pushing buttons) on the Internet:




There is a fib in this sentence: this study mentioned on Slate, failed 
to define the termtroll and did not use the termbutton pusher in 
it's description. So, what we've got here is an example of circular 
logic: the undefined term troll is defined as a button pusher,which 
remains undefined.


The study found correlations, sometimes quite significant, between 
these traits and trolling behavior.


http://www.slate.com/internet_troll_personality_study/ 
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html


See the Troll FAQ:

http://rwilliams.us/troll_faq.htm


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
Slate's readers are more than hip enough (as are FFLers) to know what trolling 
is. The actual study, I'd guess, does define it, but the text is behind a 
paywall. In any case, folks know it when they see it. But we can use the 
definition in your Troll FAQ: Troll - A person who sends duplicitous 
messages to get angry responses. 

 Barry's trolling is defined by his behavior. He calls it button pushing, but 
it's immediately identifiable as trolling by your own definition. Even Xeno, 
his staunchest defender, agrees.
 

 And of course there's no fib in the Slate article.
 

  A new psychology paper studied the personalities of those who engage in 
trolling (known in some quarters as pushing buttons) on the Internet:
 

 There is a fib in this sentence: this study mentioned on Slate, failed to 
define the termtroll and did not use the termbutton pusher in it's 
description. So, what we've got here is an example of circular logic: the 
undefined term troll is defined as a button pusher,which remains undefined. 
 
 The study found correlations, sometimes quite significant, between these 
traits and trolling behavior.
 
 http://www.slate.com/internet_troll_personality_study/ 
 
 See the Troll FAQ:
 
 http://rwilliams.us/troll_faq.htm http://rwilliams.us/troll_faq.htm
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/14/2014 10:32 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
The button pushers are actually the ones wasting their own time while 
the others simply marvel at the stupidity of it.


Button pushers often state extreme positions to make his or her actual 
beliefs seem moderate. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/14/2014 10:47 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
he is a troll, and the article's description of the troll personality 
fits him perfectly.


Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives 
that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, 
and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like 
meaningful contributions to others. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread authfriend
Trolling is the same as button-pushing. Barry himself calls what he does 
pushing buttons. (Third or fourth time I've pointed this out to you.) 

  he is a troll, and the article's description of the troll personality fits 
him perfectly.
 

 Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are 
impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts 
will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to 
others. Go figure. 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/15/2014 9:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Slate's readers are more than hip enough (as are FFLers) to know what 
trolling is.


Applying the term troll is subjective. Some readers may see a message 
as informative and a contribution to a discussion - others may see the 
same message as trolling. The term trolling can be used as a perjorative 
- in which case, your posting the Slate article and directing it at 
Barry's button pushing proclivities, could be construed as trolling 
itself. You trolled us - now you've got us upset! And, you included a 
fib about Barry and his button pushing, which is not the same thing as 
trolling.


Maybe we should review the Troll FAQ:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet 
by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting 
inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online 
community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either 
accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers 
into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic 
discussion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/Troll/ 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-15 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/15/2014 11:31 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Trolling is the same as button-pushing.


You are incorrect and you are just trying to push our buttons!

Button Pusher:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_pusher



Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-14 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

trolling (known in some quarters as pushing buttons) on the Internet:


One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend 
one or two seconds of your time posting a button-pusher post, causing 10 
other people to waste ten minutes of their time reacting, and even more 
people reacting to whoever got their buttons pushed first by the button 
pusher. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-14 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 trolling (known in some quarters as pushing buttons) on the Internet: 
 One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend one or 
two seconds of your time posting a button-pusher post, causing 10 other people 
to waste ten minutes of their time reacting, and even more people reacting to 
whoever got their buttons pushed first by the button pusher. Go figure.
 You seem to think by button pushing someone has the upper hand. First of 
all, button pushing is not necessarily that at all. What someone thinks is 
pushing someone's buttons might just be someone acting outrageously and 
ignorantly. They might actually think they are button pushing but all they're 
doing is acting like some sort of fool. So when others see these bozos they 
naturally have some impulse to let said bozos know they are making a fool of 
themselves. Simple. The button pushers are actually the ones wasting their own 
time while the others simply marvel at the stupidity of it. Now, you go do your 
sums.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-14 Thread authfriend
My phrase in some quarters was ironic. I was referring, of course, to 
you-know-who. Button pushing is the term he himself uses for what he does 
because trolling has such disagreeable connotations. But most of his posts 
are, in fact, trolling; he is a troll, and the article's description of the 
troll personality fits him perfectly. 

  trolling (known in some quarters as pushing buttons) on the Internet:
 

 One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend one or 
two seconds of your time posting a button-pusher post, causing 10 other people 
to waste ten minutes of their time reacting, and even more people reacting to 
whoever got their buttons pushed first by the button pusher. Go figure.
 

 You seem to think by button pushing someone has the upper hand. First of 
all, button pushing is not necessarily that at all. What someone thinks is 
pushing someone's buttons might just be someone acting outrageously and 
ignorantly. They might actually think they are button pushing but all they're 
doing is acting like some sort of fool. So when others see these bozos they 
naturally have some impulse to let said bozos know they are making a fool of 
themselves. Simple. The button pushers are actually the ones wasting their own 
time while the others simply marvel at the stupidity of it. Now, you go do your 
sums. 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Troll study

2014-02-14 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 My phrase in some quarters was ironic. I was referring, of course, to 
you-know-who. Button pushing is the term he himself uses for what he does 
because trolling has such disagreeable connotations. But most of his posts 
are, in fact, trolling; he is a troll, and the article's description of the 
troll personality fits him perfectly.
 

 To a T.
 

  trolling (known in some quarters as pushing buttons) on the Internet:
 

 One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend one or 
two seconds of your time posting a button-pusher post, causing 10 other people 
to waste ten minutes of their time reacting, and even more people reacting to 
whoever got their buttons pushed first by the button pusher. Go figure.
 

 You seem to think by button pushing someone has the upper hand. First of 
all, button pushing is not necessarily that at all. What someone thinks is 
pushing someone's buttons might just be someone acting outrageously and 
ignorantly. They might actually think they are button pushing but all they're 
doing is acting like some sort of fool. So when others see these bozos they 
naturally have some impulse to let said bozos know they are making a fool of 
themselves. Simple. The button pushers are actually the ones wasting their own 
time while the others simply marvel at the stupidity of it. Now, you go do your 
sums.