Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP?

You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.

You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.

A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published.

This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 

Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.

 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

Researchers at Indiana
University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young
heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, 
according to NIH records. 


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.

The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 




 From: infor cwae infocwae@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco



 
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, 

 You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.
 

 If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.
 

 You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.
 

 On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.
 

 Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.
 

 And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published.
 

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 
 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.
 

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.
 

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 

 

 The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.
 

 The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.
 

 I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 

 

 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Michael,

You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.

If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.

You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.

On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.

Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.

And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 




 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco



 
Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP?

You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.

You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back
at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had something interesting 
to say.

A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published.

This is, quite honestly complete bullshit.
All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant 
proposal. That's it. 

Here
are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as 
stupid as funding research on TM.

 The National Institutes of
Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in 
risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

Researchers at Indiana
University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young
heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, 
according to NIH records. 


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.

The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the
impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 




 From: infor cwae infocwae@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco



 
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus.  

 So, let me get this straight.  The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo.  
(or so you say).  We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda.  The 
same diatribe you pour out several times a day.
 

 But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable 
organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial 
truth statement about same organization.
 

 Believe me.  I know that makes sense to you.  
 

 But, ...what was it you were saying about mental 
problems?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.
 

 If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.
 

 You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.
 

 On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.
 

 Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.
 

 And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published.
 

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 
 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.
 

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.
 

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 

 

 The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.
 

 The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.
 

 I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 

 

 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it 
isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an 
organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder 
and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its 
advanced programs and don't teach it anymore. 




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. 

So, let me get this straight.  The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo.  (or 
so you say).  We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda.  The same 
diatribe you pour out several times a day.

But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable 
organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial 
truth statement about same organization.

Believe me.  I know that makes sense to you.  

But, ...what was it you were saying about mental 
problems?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 




 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco



 
Michael,

You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.

If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.

You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.

On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.

Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.

And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal.
You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more 
predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final 
analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their 
balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of 
TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 




 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco



 
Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP?

You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.

You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back
at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had something interesting 
to say.

A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published.

This is, quite honestly complete bullshit.
All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant 
proposal. That's it. 

Here
are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as 
stupid as funding research on TM.

 The National Institutes of
Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in 
risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

Researchers at Indiana
University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young
heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, 
according to NIH records. 


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.

The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the
impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not 
secular enough.  Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are 
meaningless sounds.  They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are 
really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to 
forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may 
be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at 
by trial and error.  And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras 
can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them.  It's 
long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling.



On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly 
that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who 
can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few 
million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish 
minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will 
be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than 
bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of 
TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets.



*From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and 
the TMSP?


You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest 
other than TM.


You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally 
you had something interesting to say.


A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's 
just no so funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on 
funding by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is 
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus 
or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.


This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get 
funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it.


Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of 
them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.


 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find 
out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they 
are drunk.


Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using 
condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records.


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male 
prostitutes in Vietnam.


The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of 
a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.


I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog 
all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but 
for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible.



*From:* infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
*Subject:* 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in 
San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the 
happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some 
misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain 
comments made here recently.


1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the 
high schools we worked in.


This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, 
specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school 
were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had 
to remove the papering after we left.
A single door to a small room was partially papered only during 
training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students 
walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, 
and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school.
3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan 
of this year.
One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of 
the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding 
time constraints

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Actually, the NIH is pretty cash-strapped these days and the competition is 
very fierce for research grants, especially in a non-mainstream field like TM. 
And $24 million to study TM isn't the same as $200,000, or $800,000.  

 

 

 

 TM researchers are very aware of this, and while privately funded TM pilot 
studies still get published (the pilot studies on PTSD in Uganda were paid for 
by teh DLF, for example), when TM researchers go after public funding, they are 
REALLY careful in how they design the studies. Only the best designs with the 
most plausible rationale are going to get the money, and since the data from 
NIH-funded studies, by law, must be made easily available to the public, even 
if the study never gets published, there's very strong incentive to ONLY use 
NIH grants for studies where TM researchers are pretty darned positive that TM 
will shine.
 

 Here's an example of a proposed design for a new TM study:
 

 Design and rationale of a comparative ef... [Contemp Clin Trials. 2014] - 
PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 
 
 Design and rationale of a comparative ef... [Contemp Clin Trials. 2014] - 
PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 PubMed comprises more 
than 23 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science 
journals, and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content 
from PubMed Central and publisher web sites.
 
 
 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 It will be pretty cool if that study gets funded by the NIH. Of course, I 
expect TM to do well in treating PTSD, so I am most interested in seeing the 
results of the genetic analysis component of the study. That is the new darling 
for TM research, as it could be done for any kind of study--psychological, 
neurological, cardio, pure consciousness, enlightenment--anything.
 

 It is a very 21st Century thing to suspect that there are genetic and 
epigentic factors that influence how people respond to therapies, including TM.
 

 For example, is there a genetic or measurable epigenetic component for why 
some people show breath suspension during pure consciousness while others 
don't? Likewise with experience of bliss during TM?
  [I've never had bliss the way David Lynch describes, even as the aftermath 
of what I believe are pure consciousness episodes, and yet he says that every 
meditation period is extremely blissful]
 

 What about Yogic Flying and other TM-SIdhis practice? Is hopping during Yogic 
Flying predictable on a genetic/epigenetic level? Does YF influence things 
epigenetically in a measurable way? 
 

 [any experience or activity almost certainly creates an epigenetic change, so 
measurable needs to be inserted here]
 

 Could epigenetic testing help guide recommendations to make TM and Yogic 
Flying more effective? Could it be used to augment/replace Ayurvedic 
consultations?
 

 Those are questions that could occupy researchers for another 100 years, even 
if TM research suddenly became even more popular than mindfulness studies.
 

 

 L
 

 [By the way, genital washing in South Africa might be a REALLY important 
issue. STDs are rampant throughout Africa due to various social and hygiene 
issues.  Would you object to an $800,000 study on ways to improve health 
education to help fight the spread of Ebola, even if said study was simply 
about finding more effective ways of convincing people to wash their hands?]
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Please tell us who your tantra guru is?




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular 
enough.  Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds.  
They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds.  The 
pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature.  It just so 
happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my 
tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have 
mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a 
puja to activate them.  It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.


On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 





 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Michael,


Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?


You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.


Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.


You are sinking into utter idiocy.


P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.


A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published.


This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 


Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.


 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
 gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.


Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 



The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.


The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.


I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own 
sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 





 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco


 
  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in 
the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 


 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
 schools we worked in. 


This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
 
2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove 
the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining 
after the meditation training staff left

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Different meditation traditions have different interpretations of what mantras 
are, and how they should be used. 

 While I don't have access to either book, I've been able to read excerpts 
through amazon.com and google books:
 

 Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal
 
 
 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal
 
 
 Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal
 Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning [Frits Staal] on Amazon.com. *FREE* 
shipping on qualifying offers. Rituals and Mantras: Rules without Me...
 
 
 
 View on www.amazon... 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 Understanding Mantras 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1
 
 
 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1
 
 
 Understanding Mantras 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1
 Understanding Mantras [Harvey P. Alper] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on 
qualifying offers. Understanding Mantras explores the origin, nature, function, 
an...
 
 
 
 View on www.amazon... 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 Maharishi's take on how mantras are meaningless is quite traditional--for some 
people. It's utter nonsense for others, and that is why there is confusion 
about whether or not Maharishi is telling the truth about mantras. There's 
MANY different traditions, and probably sub-traditions within the traditions.
 

 Likewise, keeping a mantra as a mental thing never to be written down or 
spoken aloud appears to be traditional as well--for SOME traditions, and again, 
there's variations there as well.
 

 

 Best to think of TM as its own tradition with its own rules, rather than 
trying to justify every little thing that MMY said. Afterall, MMY himself 
implied that much of what he taught was via intuition (and/or trial and error).
 

 By all accounts, the early courses on the TM-SIdhis were substantially 
different than how they are taught now, for example.
 

 L
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular 
enough.  Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds.  
They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds.  The 
pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature.  It just so 
happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my 
tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have 
mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a 
puja to activate them.  It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.
 
 
 On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that 
he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a 
grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er 
are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in 
the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans 
wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits 
- most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 
 
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 
 
 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 
 
 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 
 
 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 
 
 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 
 
 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 
 
 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted 
his videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him).  His site 
has expired as his son failed to renew the domain name but here is his 
YouTube channel. He passed away of heart failure two years ago this month.


https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999

He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came about 
by trial and error instead of being cognized.  So they were 
recognized instead.



On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Please tell us who your tantra guru is?


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not 
secular enough.  Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are 
meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but 
are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to 
forces in nature.  It just so happens that those sounds work well and 
may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were 
arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have mentioned many a time 
beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to 
activate them.  It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.



On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite 
clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about 
anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get 
a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become 
slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis 
society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their 
balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits 
- most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets.



*From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM 
and the TMSP?


You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest 
other than TM.


You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts. 
 Occasionally you had something interesting to say.


A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's 
just no so funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... 
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on 
funding by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment 
is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.


This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get 
funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it.


Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of 
them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.


 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find 
out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when 
they are drunk.


Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using 
condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records.


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male 
prostitutes in Vietnam.


The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact 
of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.


I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog 
all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but 
for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible.



*From:* infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
*Subject:* 399652Re

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Book a flight to India and ask around. Do your homework.

On 10/11/2014 12:25 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Different meditation traditions have different interpretations of what 
mantras are, and how they should be used.



While I don't have access to either book, I've been able to read 
excerpts through amazon.com and google books:


Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal 





image 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal 




Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal 

Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning [Frits Staal] on Amazon.com. 
*FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Rituals and Mantras: Rules 
without Me...


View on www.amazon... 
http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal 



Preview by Yahoo


Understanding Mantras 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 





image 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 




Understanding Mantras 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 

Understanding Mantras [Harvey P. Alper] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping 
on qualifying offers. Understanding Mantras explores the origin, 
nature, function, an...


View on www.amazon... 
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 



Preview by Yahoo



Maharishi's take on how mantras are meaningless is quite 
traditional--for some people. It's utter nonsense for others, and that 
is why there is confusion about whether or not Maharishi is telling 
the truth about mantras. There's MANY different traditions, and 
probably sub-traditions within the traditions.


Likewise, keeping a mantra as a mental thing never to be written down 
or spoken aloud appears to be traditional as well--for SOME 
traditions, and again, there's variations there as well.



Best to think of TM as its own tradition with its own rules, rather 
than trying to justify every little thing that MMY said. Afterall, MMY 
himself implied that much of what he taught was via intuition (and/or 
trial and error).


By all accounts, the early courses on the TM-SIdhis were substantially 
different than how they are taught now, for example.


L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not 
secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are 
meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but 
are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to 
forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and 
may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were 
arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have mentioned many a time 
beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to 
activate them.  It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.



On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite
clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about
anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to
get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to
become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final
analysis society will be better off studying the way South
Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and
non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining
the TMO's pockets.


*From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]
mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in
San Francisco

Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM
and the TMSP?

You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest
other than TM.

You are sinking

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Where did you meet him?




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted his 
videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him).  His site has expired 
as his son failed to renew the domain name but here is his YouTube channel.  He 
passed away of heart failure two years ago this month.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999

He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came
  about by trial and error instead of being cognized.  So they
  were recognized instead.


On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
Please tell us who your tantra guru is?





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular 
enough.  Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds.  
They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds.  The 
pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature.  It just so 
happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my 
tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have 
mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a 
puja to activate them.  It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.


On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:




  
Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that 
he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a 
grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why 
TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. 
But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South 
Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent 
benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 





 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Michael,


Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?


You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.


Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.


You are sinking into utter idiocy.


P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you 
had something interesting to say.


A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no 
so funny!






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, 
the research would not be funded or published.


This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding 
by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 


Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.


 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
 gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.


Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 



The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.


The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.


I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own 
sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 





 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco


 
  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bhairitu: He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came 
about by trial and error instead of being cognized.  So they were 
recognized instead.
 

 I look to science when credible research is available. However, lots of life 
does not (yet) have substantial numbers of of peer-reviewed double blind 
studies (if applicable) to help validate a hypothesis. 
 

 For me, another source of (some) validation, is the fruits of evolutionary 
adaptation. Whether in insight was cognized, or recognized,  seen under the 
influence, or in dreams, deduced, or brainstormed, etc, is not key. The core 
question is whether some traditional practice (medicinal, health, spiritual, 
psychological, artistic, customs, rituals) provided some evolutionary advantage 
over 100s of not 1000's of generations. 
 

 That is, on day 1, who knows, it may have been a Life of Brian type scene, 
of 1000 different crazy and diverse truths being pronounced -- no matter how 
derived. However, some groups (families, tribes, villages, cultures, etc) 
survived, others did not. 
 

 Undoubtedly, some instances of success were undoubtedly random. Spurious 
correlations (of which some great and beautiful examples were posted by someone 
the other day.) A FEW actually (may have had) a causal effect whereby A did (a 
majority of the time) result in B (particularly if you did it with C and D 
co-factors, etc). . 
 

 The statistical probability that a particular intervention (ritual, custom, 
practice) provided some survival (affluence, success, well-being) value gets 
stronger with each successive generation of practicioners. Over time, over 
many generations, practices based on spurious correlations become less. 
Practices with some causal power increase. Over 100's of generations, the 
probability of some sustained cultural practice being a fluke, a random 
outcome, a spurious correlation), becomes smaller.
 

 And over 100's of generations, I presume many variations of rituals, customs, 
practices etc were tweaked and outcomes observed. More successful variations 
were sustained, others dropped off. 

 

 Edison said he never failed when attempting to develop a new technology, but 
he did find 10,000 things that did not work.   The process of adaptive 
evolution might be viewed in  similar vein.   1000's of variations of ritual, 
practices, customs were conducted, over 100's of generations. Many were found 
to not work and were discarded, and the few success stories were kept and 
passed on to subsequent generations. These successful practices provided an 
evolutionary advantage to these particular groups, families, villages, tribes 
or networks. They tended to succeed and flourish while others, not using that 
particular practice, ritual, custom  did less so, or eventually fizzled out.  
 

 Someone once quipped  God [or Nature] created Karma and then retired. An 
alternative hypothesis is that God [Nature] created Evolutionary Adaptation and 
then retired. (Outside the box, perhaps karma is a tool of evolutionary 
adaptation, or vv.) 
 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
A friend who was also a TM teacher had him as a patient and Swami 
offered to teach him.  So I met him through my friend.  I didn't just 
jump in but met with him a number of times before learning from him 
about 6 months later. There even some folks who had been on Purusha who 
learned from him.


On 10/11/2014 01:39 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Where did you meet him?


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted 
his videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him).  His 
site has expired as his son failed to renew the domain name but here 
is his YouTube channel.  He passed away of heart failure two years ago 
this month.


https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999

He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came 
about by trial and error instead of being cognized.  So they were 
recognized instead.



On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Please tell us who your tantra guru is?


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is 
not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are 
meaningless sounds.  They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but 
are really just sounds.  The pantheon itself is made up as analogies 
to forces in nature.  It just so happens that those sounds work well 
and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were 
arrived at by trial and error.  And as I have mentioned many a time 
beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to 
activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that 
required special handling.



On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite 
clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about 
anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get 
a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become 
slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis 
society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent 
benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets.



*From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San 
Francisco


Michael,

Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM 
and the TMSP?


You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest 
other than TM.


You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts. 
 Occasionally you had something interesting to say.


A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's 
just no so funny!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... 
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :


One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion 
on funding by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the 
research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be 
funded or published.


This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get 
funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it.


Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some 
of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.


 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find 
out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when 
they are drunk.


Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using 
condoms.” Price tag

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-11 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is an opinion, not a statement of fact when you state what you do about the 
NIH.  They are different things - opinions and facts, I'm sure you know. 

 Or if you don't, it might be a good place for you to start when trying to sort 
things out.
 

 Good luck!
 

 Let me know if I can help.
 

 
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it 
isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an 
organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder 
and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its 
advanced programs and don't teach it anymore. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. 
 

 So, let me get this straight.  The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo.  
(or so you say).  We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda.  The 
same diatribe you pour out several times a day.
 

 But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable 
organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial 
truth statement about same organization.
 

 Believe me.  I know that makes sense to you.  
 

 But, ...what was it you were saying about mental 
problems?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.
 

 If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.
 

 You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.
 

 On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.
 

 Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.
 

 And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published.
 

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 
 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.
 

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.
 

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :



Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.


LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think 
a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!

You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo  
(fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't 
make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now 
if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, 
everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems 
to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of 
someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like 
me as Jim spends.

We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic 
Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) 
but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM 
consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know 
that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, 
many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or 
Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as 
invisibility and levitation - flying). 

Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness 
or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time 
entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for 
them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling 
us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he 
is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just 
that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is 
are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully 
enlightened being on this forum. 

But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and 
powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time 
obsessing on a lowlife like myself? 

Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ?

That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim 
spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says 
anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing 
someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil 
protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. 

Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it?   :-)  


Signed, 

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's not readable anymore.  Whatever you've written below, it's simply not 
readable anymore, Barry. 

 Even the reporters aren't interested, I can assure you.
 

 If asked, they might say, sure Barry, you tell em, but they've tired of it 
themselves.
 

 What might have been clever at one time, as devolved into  just boring ass 
shit as you might call it.
 

 What to tell you?
 

 Maybe cycle back to the Crumbs, at this point.
 

 I don't know. You tell me. (-:
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 
 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 








You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo  
(fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't 
make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now 
if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, 
everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems 
to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of 
someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like 
me as Jim spends.

We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic 
Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) 
but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM 
consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know 
that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, 
many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or 
Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as 
invisibility and levitation - flying). 

Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness 
or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time 
entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for 
them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling 
us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he 
is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just 
that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is 
are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully 
enlightened being on this forum. 

But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and 
powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time 
obsessing on a lowlife like myself? 

Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ?

That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim 
spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says 
anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing 
someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil 
protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. 

Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it?   :-)  

 
Signed, 
 
 










Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 
 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 








You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo  
(fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't 
make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now 
if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, 
everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems 
to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of 
someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like 
me as Jim spends.

We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic 
Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) 
but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM 
consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know 
that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, 
many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or 
Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as 
invisibility and levitation - flying). 

Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness 
or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time 
entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for 
them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling 
us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he 
is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just 
that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is 
are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully 
enlightened being on this forum. 

But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and 
powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time 
obsessing on a lowlife like myself? 

Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ?

That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim 
spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says 
anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing 
someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil 
protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. 

Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it?   :-)  

 
Signed, 
 
 Dear bawee, as much as you'd like to think you are a bad boy, even bordering 
on some sort of upsetting evil influence you are not one of the big boys. Leave 
the really bad stuff to those who are really bad. As I mentioned the other day, 
evil is interesting so that, unfortunately, excludes you.








Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's not readable anymore.  Whatever you've written below, it's simply not 
readable anymore, Barry. 

 Even the reporters aren't interested, I can assure you.
 

 If asked, they might say, sure Barry, you tell em, but they've tired of it 
themselves.
 

 What might have been clever at one time, as devolved into  just boring ass 
shit as you might call it.
 

 What to tell you?
 

 Maybe cycle back to the Crumbs, at this point.
 

 I don't know. You tell me. (-:
 

 I know, right? I see the blue text and I think, OK, maybe today bawee's got 
something to say. So, with the tiniest spark of hope,  I start to read but, 
nope, nothin' new here. So I skim very quickly past the same old, same old only 
to arrive, once more disappointed, at the end of another paint by number post. 
When bawee says he can type with his eyes closed (who can't?) I also realize he 
types with his mind closed. Kinda of a cute graphic at the end though.
 

 

 












Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published.

This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 

Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.

 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

Researchers at Indiana 
University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young 
heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, 
according to NIH records. 


The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.

The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 




 From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


 
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Research on Meditation: Oh, how I love the title!


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/research-has-not-shown-that-meditation-beats-a-placebo/
  
 
Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks | C...
In response to my last post, which proposed that Transcendental Meditation and 
other cults might be exploiting the placebo effect, some readers cited studies 
suppos...  
View on blogs.scientificamerica... Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Even better, cuz its got pictures:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/04/do-all-cults-like-all-psychotherapies-exploit-the-placebo-effect/
  
 
Do All Cults, Like All Psychotherapies, Exploit the Plac...
I'm a child of the Sixties, so I've known lots of people over the years who've 
joined cults. One of the most popular was Transcendental Meditation, ...  
View on blogs.scientificamerica... Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published.
 

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 
 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.
 

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.
 

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 

 

 The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.
 

 The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.
 

 I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 

 

 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 



 


 












Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread nablusoss1008

 Hello ! First I would like to congratulate you for you success in bringing 
meditation meditation to schools in San Francisco, effects of which are just 
beginning to be seen. While appreciating your thorough response you should be 
aware that many posters here deliberately post negativity to try to damage the 
global initiatives to raise collective consciousness. They are not to be taken 
seriously and do not deserve a response.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 






Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 






Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 








Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!

Sal, for a guy who seems to have a sense of humour, a brain in his head and has 
the fortune to be British on top of it all you seem to miss one small but 
important fact: how bawee acts and the things that he writes gives away all 
anyone needs to know about the guy. Our director of operations who just posted 
would have no delusions about bawee's character or his MO. I'm also sure he 
doesn't give a shit anyway nor would this person be interested in judging Mac 
one way or another since Mac's responses to bawee are simply any normal 
person's response to someone as judgmental and obnoxious as bawee is. Capiche?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 










Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both 
schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the 
movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated 
for decades. 


Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of 
every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create 
more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. 
Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and 
let's see how it falls out. 




 From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up 
to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't 
even have the balls to give his own name.




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :


I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Huh. 

 It's not like he tried to hide it, either cwae.org is not hard to find:
 

 

 Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education 
http://cwae.org/executive_team.php 
 
 Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education 
http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Your description
 
 
 
 View on cwae.org http://cwae.org/executive_team.php 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

 

 Jeff Rice, Director of Operations
 Mr. Rice has been a business leader and consultant for more than 20 years, 
specializing in organizational development. He brings his knowledge of 
successful start-up models in the high tech industry to our developing 
organization. Mr. Rice also served as a volunteer on several previous 
initiatives to reduce violence and improve academic performance in Northern 
California schools through the use of meditation-based stress management.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up 
to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't 
even have the balls to give his own name.

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 





 


 











Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you are a hoot Michael.  a hoot.  you and Barry are really on your muscle 
today, as my mother in law used to say.
 
hey, at least there is something that motivates you.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both 
schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the 
movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated 
for decades. 

 

 Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of 
every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create 
more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. 
Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and 
let's see how it falls out. 

 

 From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 



 


 











Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Your bitterness, and spiritual myopia is showing Sal.   

 You've got to understand, that no matter how much you insist, that people will 
see things differently than you do.
 

 A tough lesson, but you will be happier once you realize it.
 

 Good luck.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 











Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

people will see things differently than you do.

Only the TM-mind numbed idiots will.




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Your bitterness, and spiritual myopia is showing Sal.  

You've got to understand, that no matter how much you insist, that people will 
see things differently than you do.

A tough lesson, but you will be happier once you realize it.

Good luck.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.


LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think 
a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!

This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :


I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 

 Sounds plausible and rational to me.
 






Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up 
to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't 
even have the balls to give his own name.

 

 I daresay you could find that out without more than two googles. Want me to do 
it for you?
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 





 


 











Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Huh. 

 It's not like he tried to hide it, either cwae.org is not hard to find:
 

 

 Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education 
http://cwae.org/executive_team.php 
 
 Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education 
http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Your description


 
 View on cwae.org http://cwae.org/executive_team.php
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

 

 Jeff Rice, Director of Operations
 Mr. Rice has been a business leader and consultant for more than 20 years, 
specializing in organizational development. He brings his knowledge of 
successful start-up models in the high tech industry to our developing 
organization. Mr. Rice also served as a volunteer on several previous 
initiatives to reduce violence and improve academic performance in Northern 
California schools through the use of meditation-based stress management.
 

 See MJ, Sparaig did it real fast.