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I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. Turq writes; Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office, I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually *do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that a TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so. But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is 100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative situations because by definition on a course on which every- one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen. I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM course nothing bad could happen
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Yes, Judy but unlike real guinea pigs, the human beings had a choice whether or not to take one of the early courses. I heard it all started because in meetings people started spontaneously lifting up in their chair. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. Turq writes; Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office, I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually *do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that a TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so. But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is 100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative situations because by definition on a course on which every- one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen. I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
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Meaning that the first people on sidhis courses, being TM teachers, were already quite invested in TM. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Yes, and...? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. Turq writes; Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office, I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually *do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that a TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so. But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is 100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative situations because by definition on a course on which every- one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen. I suspect that some here
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that's for sure - they all wanted what the Big M promised - techniques 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone - what a crock From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Meaning that the first people on sidhis courses, being TM teachers, were already quite invested in TM. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Yes, and...? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him. Turq writes; Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office, I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually *do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking
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I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing what the Doc was saying. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released
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I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work for them? And did you enjoy it? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor And you too, MJ, are a fine fella. I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy colored glasses fell off at some point along the way, and I don't wear contacts, either.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing what the Doc was saying. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming
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Ahhh, Livingston Manor - I did my first sidhis bloc there, Messrs Big Bopper Bevan and John Cowhig were officiating as TM Sidhi Administrators. Bevan was not fat then, in fact looked like a surfer, narrow waist, broad shoulders. It was January, cold as hell, they had just had a major snow and ice storm that knocked out their electricity, destroyed one of their well pumps, lots of the pipes in the place froze, staff had to put 50 gallon drums of water in the halls and we each had plastic buckets to dip into the drums to haul water to flush our toilets. Food was quite good as I recall - they even had a Southern boy on cooking staff who one day served up grits for breakfast. All the Yankees had no idea what they were or what to do with them. Only complaint I had about it was he used white grits instead of yaller grits. The guy who was running the place, I can't remember his name but I saw his picture on some TM stuff recently - I think he's a raja or works somehow for the Global Country of World Peace. Anyway he got really tick off at us - we had to wait for our first sutras for longer than we were supposed to due to technical incompetence on Bevan and John's part. When we finally got them, they were of course through video/audio tape. After one of the girls on the course was bitching about us not actually seeing marshy and said so in public - in the dining hall and folks heard - so we got chewed out big time for not honoring our agreement to not say nothing about our instruction. That was also the place I saw the Be a Superman, Be a Sidha-man! poster that I would love to have one of now. Good times. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor About three years, total. In rural settings; Livingston Manor, NY and twice near Waverly, MO. I enjoyed it for awhile. My last stint, though, was to evaluate whether or not I would go on to TTC. Thankfully, I made the right choice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work for them? And did you enjoy it? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor And you too, MJ, are a fine fella. I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy colored glasses fell off at some point along the way, and I don't wear contacts, either.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing what the Doc was saying. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work
RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
what was infamous about Wally Courvoisier? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Pretty much snowed there eight months out of the year. Saw the Northern Lights several times. It had just turned into a men's facility, when I arrived in early 1978, with the ladies moved to South Fallsburg. The toilets were always broken, and there were rats that could kick your ass, in the kitchen. And several huge raccoons near the dumpsters. I was on staff in the kitchen, until I cut my finger pretty badly trying to catch a rack of glasses that slipped off the dishwashing conveyor. Worked for the A of E Press, running the Stahl T-66 folder, folding and cutting the Age of Enlightenment magazine, then driving the completed palettes of pages to a place in Rochester, NY, to get stapled, trimmed, labeled, and mailed. Drove a box truck into NYC a few times on Movement business - The Bowery, and The Bronx. A slight contrast to the quiet of the Manor. Rick Archer was one of the governing troika, while I was at El Manor, along with Tim somebody, and the infamous Wally Courvoisier. I was twenty four years old and had a good time - good staff camaraderie. Five dollars a week spending money - woo-hoo. It was rustic enough that none of the management could get too intense about anything. The whole place was ready to literally cave in, anyway, and Maharishi wouldn't visit. There were a couple of Cadillac limos in the garage, waiting for him, though, should he ever show. I did manage to cage driving duty, in one, to take some big wig to La Guardia, where we were meeting some minor dignitary from the Bimini Islands or somewhere, who had decided to start TM. The limo handled really well - enough power, and heavy as a tank, so no sliding on corners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ahhh, Livingston Manor - I did my first sidhis bloc there, Messrs Big Bopper Bevan and John Cowhig were officiating as TM Sidhi Administrators. Bevan was not fat then, in fact looked like a surfer, narrow waist, broad shoulders. It was January, cold as hell, they had just had a major snow and ice storm that knocked out their electricity, destroyed one of their well pumps, lots of the pipes in the place froze, staff had to put 50 gallon drums of water in the halls and we each had plastic buckets to dip into the drums to haul water to flush our toilets. Food was quite good as I recall - they even had a Southern boy on cooking staff who one day served up grits for breakfast. All the Yankees had no idea what they were or what to do with them. Only complaint I had about it was he used white grits instead of yaller grits. The guy who was running the place, I can't remember his name but I saw his picture on some TM stuff recently - I think he's a raja or works somehow for the Global Country of World Peace. Anyway he got really tick off at us - we had to wait for our first sutras for longer than we were supposed to due to technical incompetence on Bevan and John's part. When we finally got them, they were of course through video/audio tape. After one of the girls on the course was bitching about us not actually seeing marshy and said so in public - in the dining hall and folks heard - so we got chewed out big time for not honoring our agreement to not say nothing about our instruction. That was also the place I saw the Be a Superman, Be a Sidha-man! poster that I would love to have one of now. Good times. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor About three years, total. In rural settings; Livingston Manor, NY and twice near Waverly, MO. I enjoyed it for awhile. My last stint, though, was to evaluate whether or not I would go on to TTC. Thankfully, I made the right choice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work for them? And did you enjoy it? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor And you too, MJ, are a fine fella. I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than
