[farsiweb] weft

2002-04-12 Thread C Bobroff
Have any of you managed to use WEFT with Persian fonts? This seems like a good solution [i.e. concealing!} the final yeh with dots the heh + yeh looking like ta marbuta problems which you get with the core fonts (like Tahoma, Times New Roman, etc.) WEFT 3 is available at:

[farsiweb] weft

2002-04-15 Thread C Bobroff
Thanks to Arash and Omid for your responses. I would love to get this working... dependent, not because it is too complicated, but because the font doesn't allow embeding. I also think so and although Weft tells you whether embedding is permissible for each font on your webpage, it doesn't

[farsiweb] weft

2002-04-16 Thread C Bobroff
or if the feature is disabled in the font how could we enable it) please inform us, to make the needed changes. Here is what the Weft developer told me to tell those of you who are making fonts: They need to set the font's 'fstype' value, which is located in the font's OS2 table. You can

Re: [farsiweb] NESF font

2002-05-14 Thread C Bobroff
We lack the resources for hinting and drawing bitmaps for all of those. But we would love any contribution. Just wait for the fonts to be released. Thanks Roozbeh. I didn't mean to sound (too) greedy and impatient! I just wanted to make sure you know there really is a need for some of the

[farsiweb]heh + yeh

2002-05-21 Thread C Bobroff
Hi, Correct, historically it was a small yeh above the heh which gradually started looking more like a hamzeh. This 2-in-1 character evolved out of the needs of the Persian ezafe construction. (Arabic does have something called an idafa construction but it is entirely different. Therefore this

[farsiweb]heh + hamze

2002-05-26 Thread C Bobroff
In the English language, this glottal stop (or rather plosive) occurs only at the beginning of words which begin with a vowel, like {a,e,i,o,u}, therefore it is not represented by a separate character. Check out a word like butter: Subcontinental pronunciation: battar North American

Re: [farsiweb]Re: Farsi heh + hamzeh

2002-05-30 Thread C Bobroff
faqih. They have nothing to offer to the Persian IT and language discusion. Would you please be more explicit, and provide a list of names? roozbeh Don't be mad at Abi. Be mad at the people who aren't mad that in this day and age one can't type Persian properly. Get the list of names of

Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

2002-06-02 Thread C Bobroff
thing. He may look at the charts, and he will either choose U+06D5, or U+0647, U+0645 (HEH, HAMZA ABOVE), I guess you mean U+0654. In any case, neither is acceptable. The hamzeh ends up really high above the heh depending on the font. The first time I found this, I asked Unicode people for

Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

2002-06-03 Thread C Bobroff
not specify anything about broken fonts, or fonts that are not suitable for some purpose or other. I was checking it with Arial MS Unicode, Tahoma. solution, if it's non-stnadard. After all, Persian support is far from complete and stable in Windows and Internet Explorer. Yes, I can only

Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

2002-06-04 Thread C Bobroff
So they could only replace an Arabic letter with a Persian one. So they replaced Arabic Kaf with Persian Kaf, Arabic Yeh with Farsi Yeh, but we seem to have both Kaf and Gaf without problem.There they've added, not replaced. (I won't bring up the yeh.at least for now!)

[farsiweb]Re: How To Become A Hacker

2002-06-23 Thread C Bobroff
(BTW, there is also some good points there that relate to recent discussions on the lists. All similarities are accidental!) Roozbeh, Maybe you'll find these articles from the Weft forum interesting. They also relate to the recent discussion. (Nice to hear there are languages worse off than

[farsiweb]Some sorting problems

2002-06-23 Thread C Bobroff
2. The Waw(U-0648) is after the 'Heh' (U-0647). I have no idea for the second problem. Thanks for posting this problem! I have been wondering what effect the fact that the Arabic and Persian alphabets have different ORDER of letters would have on all this. Now I got my answer! (And of

[farsiweb]Re: unicode fields in database

2002-11-10 Thread C Bobroff
Suggestion: Instead of someone new asking every 3 months how can I sort Persian?, why doesn't one of you who is technically astute please compile all these sorting patches and put them in one place with a description of bugs and features of each and some step-by-step instructions on how to

Re: [farsiweb]Re: unicode fields in database

2002-11-12 Thread C Bobroff
I will be able to put any such HOWTO on the FarsiWeb web site, OK! We'll add that to Roozbeh's [fast-growing] list of chores :) The young generation are clearly taught about the main order. I guess the clever youngsters will learn to double check both places lest they miss out on the stuff at

Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-14 Thread C Bobroff
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: There is Times New Roman there. The file is named 'times32.exe'. I guess you missed it. I didn't *miss* it. I thought it was a different font. I stand corrected. You're also right that it was on the free downloads page which can still be viewed

Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-14 Thread C Bobroff
Special thanks are in order to Andrew Cunningham who'd already made this page a while back but I only noticed just this second: http://www.openroad.net.au/support/notes/persian.html Very nice! -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-18 Thread C Bobroff
I just heard from Paul at Microsoft. They don't care if the fonts from the removed typography page are distributed however, you should know they are not the most recent editions. At least the Yeh is correct though. That was our main concern. -Connie

[farsiweb]Re: [PersianComputing] Unicode character names (was Re: UnicodeAdvertisement)

2003-04-05 Thread C Bobroff
and a requirement of ISO that the names stay the same forever, even if mistakes are found in them. Standards need to guarantee stabilities to some degree in order to be implemented, and character names looked one of the promising cases. I see now! Thank you once again for the enlightenment.

[farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-12 Thread C Bobroff
Attached file [.pdf] is preview of New Persian Keyboard layout preview. Thanks. That's very helpful. Must have taken quite some time to make! What is the character on alt+control+d ? It's putting me in footnote mode. Possibly related to the fact I don't have MS Arial Unicode (or whatever it's

[farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
What is the character on alt+control+d? It's the Arabic Alef Maksura. For cases you just need a dandaane in the middle of a word. Almost always Koranic quotes. I also have only heard of Alif Maksura used in Arabic only in Final position, never in initial, medial or isolated. Please give an

Re: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
Who are you addressing here? A fontmaker that is planning to support the whole Unicode Arabic range? She/he will definitely support them. But a fontmaker who is only interested in one language? Why in hell should she/he support them? Hey, it's the Persian poets who liked to engage in tajnis.

Re: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
What if a fontmaker doesn't care about all those linguistics-only needs, and wants to give his mates just some support for their language proper, as used in modern times, and only in official letters? Good point. Glad I'm keeping my jpeg-making software handy.

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread C Bobroff
I am not quite sure in which context standalone versions of maddah, hamzah above and hamzah below are used, but assume they are there because they are in the Unicode standard. In a textbook, you might want to say, This here is a maddah. In the past, I wanted to show what a superscript alif

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread C Bobroff
You should put them either over a space, or a Tatweel (U+0640, the base line extender that looks like a '_'). Just over a space is fine but the font should be able to render it and the fontmakers don't always know what all people may want to type. If the fontmakers see it's a character on the

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread C Bobroff
Depends on how you define easy. Try! If you don't redefine your concept of easy, people are going to say it's too hard to bother with this script and that's why they advocate romanizing Persian. Do you know just to enable FA input on a Windows machine is asking too much for newbies? You should

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
(This is why I found the dotless initial form on your draft keyboard difficult to interpret.) Oh! Is THAT what that was. ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
An exhausted roozbeh An exhausted but euphoric Roozbeh? Admit it, you're enjoying every minute! ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
The visa won't get ready until Monday morning either. Just in case the visa doesn't come Monday, you might consider making a transliterated keyboard layout for those occasional Persian typists used to the English keyboard. just a subtle hint and if you need more ideas of how to spend the long

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
The visa won't get ready until Monday morning either. So I'm getting more frustrated, and I stick more to work. The whole reason I came to office today was to read possible emails on what happened with the visa. No, I've alerted all the embassies of the world not to issue you any more visas

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
If you mean the software, it took about half an hour or a little more because of the nice MS tool for its creation. Yes, that's what I meant and it took YOU half an hour but would have taken me and the silent lurkers weeks or possibly never so thank you. And did I hear you say, nice MS tool?

Re: [PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread C Bobroff
I may help you with information from ALA-LC (American Library Association/Library of Congress) containing exact lists of characters, alongside with standard transliterations, for all languages you are interested in. For whatever they're worth, they're here as PDF files:

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-14 Thread C Bobroff
No, no Nastaliq font. It's not the default for Persian anymore. People have a hard time reading Nastaliq for anything longer than a few words. OK, bye-bye Nastaliq for Persian. But I mean Persian Naskh or Naskhi as opposed to Arabic Naskh. I wish there were a precise term to differentiate the

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-07 Thread C Bobroff
There is already a font called Koodak. Won't users (and their computers) have a problem when they THINK they are seeing this font but it's really the old one? It won't occur to them to download the new one. -Connie On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: As part of a set of TTF fonts we

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-22 Thread C Bobroff
... so many sites are using wrong characters. It certainly affects the search engines. Hehe. The humans don't seem to notice but the search engines balk. Seems like it should be the reverse! By the way, this is yet another reason I offer up thanks to Roozbeh, Behnam (and others) for the new

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-22 Thread C Bobroff
What should we do about this? Go stand up on your roof and shout: The fonts have been repaired! It's now ok to use Arabic Letter Farsi Yeh U+06CC!! But as far as I know, BBC has never been one of the offenders although I'm too lazy at the moment to check that and the other site mentioned

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-22 Thread C Bobroff
Well, thank the original designers of ISIRI 2901:1994. Thank you! Hey, is there any chance Behnam can be coaxed into making a transliterated keyboard based on the English layout? Not for me personally, mind you. It appears to be a highly sought after accessory and I keep getting inquiries.

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-24 Thread C Bobroff
Behdad's Law: Connie is an optimist. If you please! You need to trust Mr. Connie Genius on this one and keep the faith. This is just a case of public awareness. As long as you don't notice those dots, everything is blissful. Maybe they are just stray marks? Maybe your screen just needs cleaning?

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-26 Thread C Bobroff
They do get under the skin, yes, but it's a little worse than that if you start seeing the two little dots everyday on announcements, printouts, ads, ... It will get to your {maghz-e ostekhaan}. Oh dear! You sound like an advanced case. I will schedule you for a bone-marrow transplant right

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-27 Thread C Bobroff
You know, everybody who's caring and sane enough to proofread, makes sure these don't appear on paper (or sometimes on the computer screen), but again, not all of these people care what it is that's stored in their computers. On the other hand, how much time it looks like they put into the

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-27 Thread C Bobroff
By the way, I just visited the BBC Persian site. In one article they were using the Arabic Kaf and in another the Persian Keheh. It should be called the Persian Kaf. Keheh is just a random identifier, but the best available since it's the Unicode name. So, either Persian Kaf or Keheh in my

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 4, Issue 9

2003-09-30 Thread C Bobroff
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:38, Behnam wrote: But in the meantime, do you know where is the small Alef for putting on the Final Yeh (in hattaa for example) or Farsi Hamza (Yeh-e-raabet) that we put on the final Heh in this standard layout? I couldn't find them anywhere. For future

Re: persian-language.org

2003-10-05 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Was googling around, found the above site by chance. Uhh, what site? -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

Re: persian-language.org

2003-10-05 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey Mr Connie Genius, The subject line ;). http://www.persian-language.org/ Hehe. It's not for nothin' I'm called Mr Connie Genius! Yeah, I knew what was coming as I was treated to those 2 beautiful final dots of farsi in the title of the page long

Re: persian-language.org

2003-10-05 Thread C Bobroff
Ever considered having a nick name of Joe? See: Mr Joe Genius. Those Qazvini's really like my name and I've had a lot of fun with it, and it has generated much laughter and good-will, therefore it stays. Tell them you are going to put them in your black list if they don't act in 24 hours.

Re: persian-language.org

2003-10-06 Thread C Bobroff
They *could* be instructed. Google is very bad in linguistics, specially when considering Persian. Oh? So they ARE supposed to be equal and the problem is with Google and not with those tables. I'm greatly relieved! Next question: Why hasn't Google been instructed? How can we give it a

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: SOLVED: Button translation

2003-10-15 Thread C Bobroff
Isn't this only about *English* button labels? I was going to ask the same thing... -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: SOLVED: Button translation

2003-10-20 Thread C Bobroff
Missing anything? Behdad, I think it's best we leave the high-faluttin grammatical stuff like infinitive and imperative to Amr and Zayd :) The person who wrote that article definitely didn't have Persian in mind. In Persian there is much greater overlap in both form and function than English.

Re: Font Problem (fwd)

2003-10-23 Thread C Bobroff
I have heared that incompatibility with unicode in such fonts cause these problem. Payam, I don't think it's related to incompatibility with unicode. I have XP and after all the critical updates all my Persian fonts are working fine. Hopefully you can just download and install the fonts again.

Re: Font Problem (fwd)

2003-10-23 Thread C Bobroff
You goofed Connie. Forgot that there are zillions of different versions of those fonts? Beggin' your pardon but I did not goof! How could I possibly forget there are zillions of different versions?! However, they all have one thing in common and that is that they aren't unicode compliant and

Re: Font Problem (fwd)

2003-10-24 Thread C Bobroff
As I said, I have many non-unicode compliant fonts on my XP and they were not affected by the critical updates so perhaps something else is involved. Next question: What are all these font packages we are suddenly hearing about? I only know about Farsiweb's Koodak which I thought was under

Re: Embeding farsi font for web pages

2003-10-24 Thread C Bobroff
Sadeq, The secret is that the font must have embedding permission enabled. You can check permissions on the font with this free tool: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/property/property.htm The Farsiweb Koodak font will work although that is still under construction. I'm guessing Mehran's

Trick or Treat!!

2003-11-01 Thread C Bobroff
Hi Everyone, We are celebrating Halloween over here this weekend so I've prepared a real SCARY treat for you: BBC Persian site as seen on Mac OS X. students.washington.edu/irina/MacOSX_IE5.2.gif students.washington.edu/irina/MacOSX_Moz1.4.gif students.washington.edu/irina/MacOSX_Safari1.0.gif

Re: Trick or Treat!!

2003-11-02 Thread C Bobroff
A friend of mine in Italy has Panther installed and he told me that everything on his browser is now appearing normal with the exception of dotted Yeh, which I don't think is related to the same issue. If that's the case, try this page: http://www.macridesweb.com/oltest/translateWord.html

Re: What the hell is this Yeh and Keheh problem?

2003-11-15 Thread C Bobroff
BEHzad, You're right, BBC solves the Yeh and Keh for all users, Actually, the only reason I suggested BBC in the first place was because I thought they were using Persian characters only! Only after looking at your gifs did I go back and have a second, more carefull look and found to my

Re: What the hell is this Yeh and Keheh problem?

2003-11-17 Thread C Bobroff
Another alternative story: Let's say the writer of the page likes to say: Don't use Arabic Yehs like 'ي', use Persian Yehs like 'ی'.? BEHzad, please find a way to make the Arabic remain Arabic if the webmaster has intentionally typed Arabic. Maybe it's time to start using those AR and FA lang

Re: Trick or Treat!!

2003-11-17 Thread C Bobroff
BEHnam, Another for you from the Arabic-L list. (I'm also glad to see someone else noting that what is SMALL fontsize in English is WAY TOO SMALL in Perso-Arabic.) -Connie -Messages--- 1) Date: 17 Nov 2003 From:Albrecht Hofheinz [EMAIL

Re: Le Monde diplomatique this time

2003-11-21 Thread C Bobroff
Hey Joe, What were we supposed to be interested in here? Is it the good news that you have discovered the world's first Persian webpage with charset=utf-8 instead of charset=windows-1256 (those French are making great improvements!) Or did you want to point out those 2 dots we like to discuss?

Re: Le Monde diplomatique this time

2003-11-21 Thread C Bobroff
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Mehran Mehr wrote: Connie Bobroff is an [Israelian] Jewish? Nope. I'm a pious mullah from Qazvin. Sorry if you somehow understood something political in what was basically a joke aimed at Joe. (We need a little humor sometimes, you know.) Anyhow, thanks for the reminder

Re: Le Monde diplomatique this time

2003-11-21 Thread C Bobroff
Well, I hereby ask you to contact them and resolve Persian issues including but not limited to those too balls, oops dots. Jr Joe Jenius is a polo player? ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 7, Issue 1

2003-12-06 Thread C Bobroff
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: he confessed that he never knew that Farsi and Persian are the same word in two different languages. Just let us know when we can start saying Deutsch, francais, nihon-go, etc as well as farsi when speaking English. They are all the right English

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 7, Issue 1

2003-12-06 Thread C Bobroff
Perhaps no one knew the answer. Really. roozbeh Oh! I hadn't thought of that possibility. -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb