[farsiweb] Standard keyboard DLL for XP

2002-04-09 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:11:34 +1000 From: Saied Tahaghoghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The FarsiWeb Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Standard keyboard DLL for XP [...] I previously used your keyboard DLL for win2k; yesterday I tried it out on XP-Pro,

[farsiweb] Opting out

2002-04-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Just to mention that I have unsubscribed from some of international mailing lists related to I18n, so I may not be able to monitor all discussions there. It would be great if interested people here can subscribe to some of them and tell the related Iranian list (farsiweb, persiancomputing,

Re: [farsiweb]ask for unicode

2002-05-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 20 May 2002, mohammad mohebbi wrote: i store farsi names in a field of SQL server table, if i sort this field , will sorted by farsi order? As far as I know, the answer is no. Arash Rezaiizadeh and me are trying to convince Microsoft to add a Persian sorting table, but before that,

Re: [farsiweb]Re: Farsi heh + hamzeh

2002-05-30 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Abi Lover wrote: There are some people in the Persian IT and linguistics debate who think that they have a duty to lay down rules for other people to follow. At first we were told how to write the ezafeh. Now we have been told how to write the hamzeh. Next I expect we

Re: [farsiweb]Farsi and Arabic typography with hamzeh

2002-06-01 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Ok, it seems that we are seeing a lot of monolouges here. Just tell me when it finished, so I can tell you again the only reason why we should not use the U+06C0 character for encoding Persian text. It's about something named 'normalization', as I already told. You will have two ways to encode

Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

2002-06-02 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, C Bobroff wrote: Ok, it seems that we are seeing a lot of monolouges here. I'm sure more people than just me are finding the monologues educational I just wish to emphasize that I have seen repetitions of the same concern. And I can't forget referring to some of us as

Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

2002-06-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, C Bobroff wrote: thing. He may look at the charts, and he will either choose U+06D5, or U+0647, U+0645 (HEH, HAMZA ABOVE), I guess you mean U+0654. Yes. Just a typo. In any case, neither is acceptable. The hamzeh ends up really high above the heh depending on the

Re: [farsiweb]FARSI HEH WITH YEH ABOVE (THE THING)

2002-06-18 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I would like to comply with the current standard, but am not able to find the U+0654 on any of the Unicode fonts that I know which are Arial Unicode MS, Tahoma, and Microsoft San Serif. Would someone please let me know of a standard Unicode

Re: [farsiweb]basic question

2002-07-02 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Saber XP wrote: thanks for your reply. why i see your presentation show with error in medical YEH? what's the problem with my font(s)? I've to update them? (see attachment) Your fonts have bugs with Persian Yeh then. Try these:

Re: [farsiweb]unicode fields in database

2002-11-09 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Nasiri2 wrote: Do you use Persian unicode fields in any database? How do you sort these fields while the letters Gaf,Cheh,Peh, and Zheh are not in correct order? Your database or your programming language should provide the sorting mechanism, or you should implement

Re: [farsiweb]SOS

2002-11-09 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote: But i don't know that how type farsi in KDE or GNOME. Use Red Hat 8.0's KDE and GNOME. GNOME's 'gedit' support Persian, and also some of the KDE text editors (I can't remember which do). The Persian keyboard layout is also included in Red Hat 8.0

Re: [farsiweb]unicode fields in database

2002-11-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, FK wrote: All these problems with the Arabic script makes me a believer in changing our alphabet to a Latin-based one and getting rid of all these unnecessary headaches :-) The whole point is: all other languages have similiar problems, including those written in Latin.

Re: [farsiweb]Re: unicode fields in database

2002-11-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: Instead of someone new asking every 3 months how can I sort Persian?, The whole problem is that people post questions without looking at the archives, or searching the Google. They look at the internet as an Oracle, instead of a knowledge base. why

[farsiweb]ISIRI 6219:2002

2002-11-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
/finalversion.pdf?download A paper copy may be acquired at the price of 4125 IRR from: Institute of Standards and Industrial Research of Iran PO Box 31585-163 Karaj, IRAN Fax: +98 (261) 280-7045 Roozbeh Pournader, for the FarsiWeb Project Group ___ FarsiWeb

[farsiweb]Test

2003-01-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
This is just for testing purposes. Please ignore this. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

[farsiweb]Re: kbdfa.dll in XP

2003-02-16 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear Mr Rezaei, We don't support Windows XP. You can test it for yourself to see if it works for you (some people could make it work with XP and some others couldn't). About the p == ~ thing, FarsiWeb's KBDFA.DLL is based on Iranian national standard ISIRI 2901. You can read ISIRI 2901 at:

Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, C Bobroff wrote: Speaking of Windows, I have heard unsubstantiated reports that even with WinXP, the yeh (06CC--on the d key) works great in some editing programs such as Word but even on the same computer, fails to work in other programs. That will be

Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision [OFFTOPIC]

2003-03-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: You can't revoke a license by not just providing the software anymore. Yes you can. That was exactly what happened to OEone, where FSF prohibited us from providing bash, glibc (and therefore all of our distro, since we used glibc) because of a

Re: [farsiweb]Using persian in the website

2003-03-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, M wrote: The problem is that I am a anti-microsoft prophet :-) Oh, you want Linux software? Red Hat 8.0's GNOME editor (gedit) and KDE editors (Kate and Kedit?) support Persian editing (with a few bugs), and so does yudit (http://www.yudit.org/). Latest vim also supports

[farsiweb]timezone data

2003-03-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
You may have noticed that Iran's daylight saving time has not been implemented correctly in any operating system. The Linux implementation was one day off, while the Windows implementation is about a week off. Following, I am attaching an announcement of the latest version of 'tzdata' database

Re: [farsiweb]Kurdish Language

2003-04-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Shervin Afshar wrote: I believe that Kurdi language has not a written form and it uses farsi script. No, you're wrong. It indeed has a written form and has some special letters only used in Kurdish. I can't point to a specific resource (I am indeed searching for

[farsiweb]Unicode Advertisement

2003-04-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Hong Kong [Special Administrative Region] government is advocating ISO 10646 (a.k.a. Unicode) by creating flash animations: http://www.info.gov.hk/digital21/eng/images/cli/iso.swf Funny! roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[farsiweb]Unicode character names (was Re: Unicode Advertisement)

2003-04-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, C Bobroff wrote: If unicode is so scrupulously attentive to details of standardization, why is the naming scheme so haphazard? Because of very tight constraints set by ISO, and a requirement of ISO that the names stay the same forever, even if mistakes are found in them.

[farsiweb]Announcement: New Unicode Savvy Logo (fwd)

2003-05-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:49:24 -0700 From: Magda Danish (Unicode) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Announcement: New Unicode Savvy Logo Dear Unicoders, Very often the Unicode Consortium has received requests from webmasters who

[farsiweb] Testing, please ignore

2003-05-31 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
This is a test to check that the list are now up and running. Please ignore. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

Re: [farsiweb] IE crash code! (fwd)

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Behnam Esfahbod wrote: take a look at this mail. you can find the example at: - http://esfahbod.info/proj/web/test/ie/crash.html i'd tested the page with IE6 SP1 (latest microsoft update), and it crashed too! I'm sorry, this is completely off-topic. Please stop

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Behnam Esfahbod wrote: As Roozbeh suggested, we can put these 3 character in the new layout, but my opinion is that we don't; because they SHOULD NOT use in persian texts, and we have other local shapes for these characters. No, we don't local shapes for these. These

[farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: What is the character on alt+control+d? It's the Arabic Alef Maksura. For cases you just need a dandaane in the middle of a word. Almost always Koranic quotes. Or maybe that's supposed to be the tatweel?? No, Tatweel is at Shift+-. And forgive my

Re: [farsiweb] Re: Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Nigel Greenwood wrote: If you mean that it's easier to type Persian on a Persian _physical_ keyboard with the Iranian layout, I'm sure you're right. PerScript is designed for use on US/European QWERTY keyboards, where the keys are actually marked Q, W, E, R, T, Y,

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: Thanks for your efforts to provide us with an experimental version of the new standard keyboard layout for Persian ! You're welcome Peter. But please don't propagate it much, since that may be changed. I tried the keyboard in Word2000/Win2000, using

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: In a textbook, you might want to say, This here is a maddah. In the past, I wanted to show what a superscript alif compared to fatha looks like and was not able to You should put them either over a space, or a Tatweel (U+0640, the base line extender

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: No other keyboard I know for extended Arabic languages provides keytop positions for standalone versions of maddah, hamzah above and hamzah below, although it might make sense to use these keys as deadkeys to type compounded glyphs alef-madda,

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: Just over a space is fine but the font should be able to render it and the fontmakers don't always know what all people may want to type. That's some other matter. If the fontmakers see it's a character on the keyboard, they might make an isolated form.

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: The question remains why you provide direct keyboard input for combining hamza madda. Are there any letter combinations other than with alef/ya/waw that can be created via combination? Yes. Heh. (I've seen accents added in handwriting for Pashto and

Re: [PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: For whatever they're worth, they're here as PDF files: http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman.html That only mentions there is only one Kurdish letter not already in Persian. But we know a lot of accent marks are used, while the above reference only

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: If you don't redefine your concept of easy, Well, honestly the way it is now in MS software (or even Linux) is not good enough even for experts. IMO, all OS-es should come automatically with all languages enabled, or, at the minimum, come with an automatic

RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: These are *combining* Maddah, Hamza Above, and Hamza Below. Isn't that what I called deadkeys in another context? (Had no time to look into SC Unipad so far to see how exactly they function...) There is a difference. Dead keys are typed before the base

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: But doesn't ALEF MAKSURA appear mostly at the end of words, i.e. in its final or isolated forms? It does, but that is the Arabic. A normal Persian Yeh is used in Persian contexts. For example, both words ali and kobraa should be written (and encoded in

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: An exhausted but euphoric Roozbeh? Not euphoric. Not at all. I just feel talkative. The really good word for what I am now is tired. I need a lot of alcohol, and then a lot of sleep. A good Persian word is mozmahel. Admit it, you're enjoying every

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: No, I've alerted all the embassies of the world not to issue you any more visas for conferences. It should have been you then :)) Look how much we all have profited from the fruits of your visa frustations of the past few days-- a very nice keyboard,

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: Yes, that's what I meant and it took YOU half an hour but would have taken me and the silent lurkers weeks or possibly never so thank you. I don't believe it. Full stop. And did I hear you say, nice MS tool? Hmmm It's a nice tool. But it's a shame

Fwd: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages

2003-06-20 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -Forwarded Message- From: Susan Lesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: W3C Weekly News - 19 June 2003 Date: 19 Jun 2003 12:05:30 -0700 Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages Republished Updated for The Unicode Standard, Version 4.0, Unicode in XML and other

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 18:45, C Bobroff wrote: There is already a font called Koodak. Won't users (and their computers) have a problem when they THINK they are seeing this font but it's really the old one? It won't occur to them to download the new one. The point is, this is exactly just *that*

[Fwd: Unicode 4.0 is online!]

2003-08-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -Forwarded Message- From: Kenneth Whistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unicode 4.0 is online! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:32:15 -0700 Unicadetti, The day you have been waiting for has arrived. All of the pdf for the online version of Unicode 4.0 has been generated and is now

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 21:49, C Bobroff wrote: By the way, this is yet another reason I offer up thanks to Roozbeh, Behnam (and others) for the new Persian keyboard as the Arabic Yeh is only a convenient Shift key away and makes for much more fruitful Google searches! Well, thank the original

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 03:31, C Bobroff wrote: OK, I took up your challenge and just emailed Yahoo. Don't blame me when we discover they've replaced Arabic Yeh with CYRILLIC LETTER YA U+042F! I don't like it. I wasn't challenging you. 'Was challenging the silent lurkers. roozbeh

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 22:16, C Bobroff wrote: But then once you do notice, then you REALLY notice. Those two little dots get under your skin and it starts to fester. You start to ONLY see the dots and the rest of the content becomes a blur. Insanity is imminent. The only solution: Immediate

Re: Unicode in new IRNA site

2003-08-26 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 09:50, C Bobroff wrote: Just don't tell me the calligraphers have also joined the band-wagon and are now putting the dots! Fortunately they're not. You know, everybody who's caring and sane enough to proofread, makes sure these don't appear on paper (or sometimes on the

Major Enhancements to the Unicode Standard: Enabling InternationalDomain Names, Expanding Worldwide Accessibility, and Reducing the DigitalDivide

2003-08-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -Forwarded Message- From: Magda Danish (Unicode) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Major Enhancements to the Unicode

For the World's A B C's, He Makes 1's and 0's

2003-09-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
An Article by New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/25/technology/circuits/25code.html roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb

Re: ARABIC FARSI YEH

2003-09-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 18:11, Behnam wrote: From what I see, there is no Farsi keyboard layout (on PC or Mac) that uses the real Farsi Yeh (U+06CC) they use either U+0649 the Arabic Alef Maksurah (for Mac and some PCs) or U+064A the Arabic Yeh (for some other PCs, with chopped off dots in the

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 4, Issue 9

2003-09-30 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:38, Behnam wrote: But in the meantime, do you know where is the small Alef for putting on the Final Yeh (in hattaa for example) or Farsi Hamza (Yeh-e-raabet) that we put on the final Heh in this standard layout? I couldn't find them anywhere. They are not in ISIRI

Re: Translation

2003-10-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 00:28, Peyman wrote: Persian has one of the most productive word formation systems. I would appreciate seeing some statistics to back that up, like you have done with the verbs. Do you have any? roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing

Re: Translation

2003-10-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 12:29, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Well, you're probably right, but then the suffixes are going to lose all their meaning as a suffix. After a while there would be no common sense between words ending with ak... (and yes, there would be no suffix, some new words). Guest

Re: SOLVED: Button translation

2003-10-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 11:04, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Button Phrasing. Write button labels as imperative verbs, for example Save, Print. This allows users to select an action with less hesitation. An active phrase also fits best with the button's role in initiating actions, as contrasted with a

Re: Persian Country List

2003-10-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 21:10, Sina Ahmadian wrote: After searching almost all the net for a persian list of countries, I didn't find anything! Some websites use the english country list while others leave the users free to enter their country name. I remember I've seen a persian country list

Re: What the hell is this Yeh and Keheh problem?

2003-11-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:03, C Bobroff wrote: I believe in principle, the search engines are to consider Persian and Arabic Yeh to be the same. They should consider it to be weakly equivalent. That's the term. Same as they do for, say, capital A and small a, or a-umlaut (รค) and normal a. Yet

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 7, Issue 1

2003-12-06 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 20:07, Sam Baran wrote: I opt for Farsi than Persian for the dominant language, used in the present Iran and the colonies abroad. It's not important what you or I opt for. That is an important point. Iran is a nation of multi-language cultures: Fars, Khuzi, Baluch,

Re: FarsiWeb Digest, Vol 7, Issue 1

2003-12-06 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 02:34, C Bobroff wrote: And why didn't anyone answer Saber's PersianComputing questions last week? They were quite reasonable and on topic and even related to Persian computing! Perhaps no one knew the answer. Really. roozbeh

Re: farsi. farsi! farsi? farsi:

2003-12-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
that Roozbeh Pournader wrote some C code to convert Unicode Persian text to some legacy character set called iransystem. As a requirement for that, he wrote the joining code that was later used by me in farsi. Late 2001, my major work on FriBidi has been done, so was the time to use what I

Re: farsi. farsi! farsi? farsi:

2003-12-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Nadim proposed something along 'beacon', as in 'bicon', as in 'bidi con{sole,dom}'. I like both. 'bicon' goes more with 'fribidi's, but as we converted freebidi to fribidi, we do bicon to beacon too. I'm with beacon then. No objections. roozbeh

New beta release of Persian Fonts

2003-12-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
. Roozbeh Pournader, Sharif FarsiWeb Inc ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb