On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:17 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi,
I released new version of the Nodoka gtk {engine;theme}[1]. I made a new
function for setting gradient and the old forwarded through this one
with parameters that use murrine engine. Nodoka styling uses different
parameters... So
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 07:25 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I have used your Nodoka rpms for a day now, and have to say that the
theme looks pretty reasonable and is nice to use. Of course, there
are some smaller and bigger nits to pick, otherwise I wouldn't write
this mail...
- I strongly
Hi,
I merged the Nodoka theme with Nodoka engine [1], so now if you install
Nodoka engine, default theme is installed as well. I also packaged this
new version as gtk-nodoka-engine rpm [2][3] and fixed all rpmlint
warnings. I hope to submit a package request for it soon. I updated the
wiki [4] as
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 15:46 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Sure, if you are willing to maintain it long-term, that is fine.
In that case, we should also get it into rawhide soon, so that we don't
have to push it through package review at the last minute after deciding
on the artwork.
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 17:34 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Gah, I should have mentioned before; here is the usual split for
packaging themes:
- engine goes in a separate package, together with the default theme
for that engine
- the metacity and metatheme go in another package, I don't
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 05:11 +0200, Daniel Geiger wrote:
Hi,
I have posted the initial release of the Nodoka theme engine to the
Nodoka wiki page, plus the gtkrc using it. Currently the main shifts
I have made from the Murrine theme engine are making the scrollbar
utilize bg[PRELIGHT] in the
Hi,
I've done some hacking on the Nodoka engine. I worked on the gradients
and completely (but it can be still optionally turned on) removed the
glassy effect. For now it's all I am able to do - everything more would
need further studying of how it works. So the tab effect on menu is
still
Hi,
I made a mail icon mockup. It's available on my wiki[1]. It's based of
the original mockups from Diana (only available in png?) and other mail
related icons. Although I didn't find it on any wiki page, this icon is
IMHO vital, since it's displayed by default on every Fedora desktop.
Comments
Hi,
I am studying Linear Algebra ATM and some kind of displaying math seems
to be interesting. The idea which hit me is a projection of N
dimensional cubes on a plane. It's nice, but too complex for a theme
IMHO, but if you highlight some 3D cubes trapped inside you get
something that looks like
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 10:45 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I'm kind of sceptical because none of the murrine themes you get when
installing the engine does this (they either refuse to or only partly
change colours)
Anyway if an official Fedora them is produced supporting the Fedora
desktop
Daniel Geiger wrote:
As for the Nodoka gtk theme clocking much more slowly than the current
default, I should mention that the Murrine theme engine for whatever
reason does not operate well when there are more than, say, 2 or 3
instances loaded into memory. I have revised the gtkrc back down
Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation
instructions to try out the theme would also be nice.
Rahul
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On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 14:06 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
http://www.manucornet.net/pub/olpc/gtk-theme-torturer.tgz
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GTK_for_OLPC#GTK_theme.2Fengine_torturer_and_crash_tester
Better or atleast equivalent performance is important.
Rahul
I downloaded the
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 15:27 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
The big problem with the murrine engine is it does not honour colour
preferences like a well-behaved theme.
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On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 07:48 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
John, I find your page for the Feng Shui proposal a little inconsistent,
you talk about an abstract style and simplicity, provide two such images
and then a few photos, which are not abstract, neither simple. I feel
those may be better
Hi,
I have a little suggestion concerning the Echo icons. We have there
icons for undo/redo actions which are coloured orange respectively
green. I must say that I really like them and like the idea - it's even
easier to distinguish which one is which. So, I thought we could use the
same colour
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 08:36 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Daniel Geiger wrote:
Hi,
I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme
(Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the
default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so?
To put it
Hi all,
I have a few questions/suggestions about Fedora release independent
Artwork. Most notably gtk theme, metacity theme, kwm theme, qt(4) theme.
One of the reasons I started the Nodoka [1] theme was an attempt to fill
the gap we have - Fedora has not defined it's artwork so far. So there
are
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:52 +0200, Mark wrote:
yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that?
Er... any program that can capture sound from microphone... But, I just
went through the fedora lists and noticed list called fedora-music-list
[1]. There were several times mentioned an app
On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 14:34 +0200, Mark wrote:
the start looks good!!
the wallpaper has some odd things in the water..
it's ending to sudden (don't know how to say it) other than that it looks good
hm... to me that something looks like waves... and I like that wallpaper
very much, but calm
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 11:07 +0200, Mola Pahnadayan wrote:
Hi all
http://mola.c100c.com/index.php/photos/album/4/photo/31.html
http://mola.c100c.com/index.php/photos/album/4/photo/32.html
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My fedora Album : http://mola.c100c.com/index.php/photos/album/4.html
No bugs found so far, I experienced no problems with using it, so I
adjusted some parameters made the code clean and released first stable
release: 0.0.2 [1]. Hope you'll enjoy it. I also made a rpm [2], though
quickly so the spec is not very good, but works all right.
Thanks,
Martin
References:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 17:25 +0200, Ben Arnold wrote:
Yep, from a photo of a A5 paper as my scanner broke :)
I've quickly done a digital version whilst at college and uploaded it
to the wiki [1] along with a PNG export to show how it should look [2]
- I had to use Illustrator and saved as
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 19:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 27 juin 2007 à 18:56 +0200, Martin Sourada a écrit :
Your paper sketch inspired me... So I quickly drawn in Inkscape an idea
of what I'd like...
That's funny the sketch reminded me of celtic/high middle age metalwork
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 14:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Dimitris Glezos wrote:
O/H Nicu Buculei έγραψε:
I understand that graphics in F7 have a high degree of polishing and may
look intimidating for a new contributor [...]
I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we introduced a simple
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 15:00 +0200, Mark wrote:
Hey,
i`ve looked over the fedora logo's in the wiki but i couldn't find the
official logo (so the blue logo only!! without any text!! -
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=logomark.png)
in svg or
Hi,
I started on Nodoka Metacity development and as it's my first metacity
theme I am very inexperienced in the creation process and therefore I
made up my mind to provide every functional snapshot I make. I would
like if some of you test whether it works ok and also I really
appreciate if
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 16:00 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi,
I started on Nodoka Metacity development and as it's my first metacity
theme I am very inexperienced in the creation process and therefore I
made up my mind to provide every functional snapshot I make. I would
like if some of you
Hello,
I created more or less completed sketch of widgets and added bottom
panel. I am well aware that some of the widgets are just too big and
need to be smaller in the final version (most notably scroll bar and
equaliser).
So only notification is left to sketch. After I make it I think I will
Seems I just finished 1st stage. Mockup is more or less complete.
Metacity, GTK, notify, panel - all sketched. I see the future
development more or less this way:
2nd Stage (starting now)
Gathering comments, suggestions, improvements, additional sources etc.
to the mockup. I hope some will join
I added a darker version for consideration. See
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft
Martin
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I added three new sets of buttons for consideration. They are all based
od Máirín's and Luya's mockups.
Comments welcome,
Martin
References:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft
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On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 15:02 +0200, Mark wrote:
that last button set is exactly what i had in mind for my theme :) it
just doesn`t seem to fit right so i left it out. in your case it also
doesn`t seem to fit the theme.. but the attempt is nice.
Yep, they look very interesting, but as majority
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 19:46 +0200, Mark wrote:
test is a typo. it was meant to be: text resulting in: perhaps it
looks better when you blend in the text color a little?
Well, that makes sense :)
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I put together more panel sketches. There are two blue panels (those I
like most), three blue but less saturated one orange-yellow and one
completely gray.
Comments welcome,
Martin
References:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft
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Well, another I made another pack of sketches. This time I focused on
the variant with thin borders, so I left the first one untouched. There
are different buttons in the thin borders variant as I wanted to test
how will it look. I made three another button sketches, however I most
like the
On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 15:07 +0200, Mark wrote:
Oke lets start with what i like :)
- Thin borders are good
- window decorations itself (without the buttons) are good
What i don`t like
- all the buttons you made so far..
The reason for the buttons.. they somehow just doesn`t seem to fit in
Well, yet another batch of buttons... Please look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft there are
currently 8 sets of buttons, while two of them are listed twice (the
second incarnation is with pressed buttons).
Comments welcome :)
Thanks,
Martin
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i would go for that last one.. (the lower right one) but i think it`s
better to either drop the 3 different color idea or make them in a
soft color.
Yes, it fits the rest best of all. I think I will choose this one and
polish it as time goes...
I put together today's last batch of sketches. As Nicolas suggested I
tried to explore the f style of the horizontal etches, but even though I
like the idea I really don't like how the buttons look like.
Also, I made two set of sketches with thin borders, one with buttons
that that I like most
Hi,
as Mark did I also start a new thread concerning a theme I started to
make. I think the theme should be composed of window manager theme,
gtk/qt/qt4 widgets theme and notification theme (I hope I didn't missed
anything). It is aimed to match echo icon theme, to be easy for eyes,
and to be
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:45 +0200, Mark wrote:
looking good!! keep up the good job
may the best one win ^_^
for the suggestions.. the only think i can think of right now is to
make the minimize, maximize and close buttons loss candy/toy like..
Yep, I too don't feel quite satisfied with
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 23:02 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:59 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:45 +0200, Mark wrote:
looking good!! keep up the good job
may the best one win ^_^
for the suggestions.. the only think i can think of right
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 12:12 +0200, Ben Arnold wrote:
I did, to be honest, miss this idea completely! I think it could be
fun to have a caption competition open to a wider audience, maybe a
FedoraForum thread or something. It may bring in more ideas.
I thought it too, so I opened a thread
Sorry for probable double posting, but my last messages got probably lost,
so here is the first of them:
Hi folks,
I also made a metacity/kwm theme mockup [1]. I also provide svg [2] in
case anyone would like to polish/rework it. The main ideas are:
1. usage of echo colours
2. decent
Hi folks,
I also made a metacity/kwm theme mockup [1]. I also provide svg [2] in
case anyone would like to polish/rework it. The main ideas are:
1. usage of echo colours
2. decent gradients, echoey style
3. different coloured buttons, as it could help user faster distinguish
the difference
4.
Hi folks,
I am at the beginning of the exams, so I have not much time left now for
Fedora, yet I'll start working on Echo again in after I am done with the
exams (hopefully)... I also have some comments and suggestions that fits
into this thread.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 20:03 +0200, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 20:45 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
just testing. It appears the mail list has issues because my replies are
not displayed.
I see three messages from you coming today. This one [1] and two
identical Re: F8 artwork [2][3]. Maybe the problem is somewhere else?
[1]
Máirín Duffy wrote:
(As an aside, how is URW U001 [1] in terms of glyph coverage? Is that
another option?)
Hmm... I think I missed the footnote? Which one is URW U001? All URW fonts I
tried never extended much beyond Latin characters, central European extensions
to it (e.g. ščř) and
Hi,
I created initial gallery page for Echo cursors [1]. The NamingSpec [2] seem
complete enough, yet they still need much work, but that can be done parallel
to making the cursors. So, let the fun begin. I would appreciate if everyone
with an idea add a draft of the cursor theme to a Draft
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a):
Mark wrote:
.. why not make the keyboard how it reallu looks.. soft white with
black keys.
Here is the latest update. The keyboard is similar to OLPC XO keyboard
for simplicity.
Currently available is 24x24 and 48x48 icons. The 16x16 will be 2D.
Luya
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a):
Martin Sourada wrote:
This ones are perfect. Only one comment - why the shade is offset from the
icon?
I didn't saw such a thing in other Echo icons...
Thanks,
Martin
Fixed.
Luya
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Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a):
Amazing how a simple layout caused some debates. Martin's suggestion
seems reasonable. Here is a preview of the new keyboard layout. Any
objection?
Luya
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Martin Sourada wrote:
Some more work. See the attachment, now with 16x16 icon as well.
They look good. No further comment. You can add it on EchoDevelopment wiki.
Luya
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Hi all,
I've filled remaining cursors descriptions [1]. Currently only usage notes
(i.e. for what, or when are the cursors used) are missing (in description there
is ??Usage??), but that is not a high priority. Also maybe there can be some
missing hashes or names, but that can also be
Hi,
I made a gnome-devel icon draft. See attachments. It is also available (with
SVG) on my personal wiki [1].
Atachments:
1. gnome-devel16.png
2. gnome-devel24.png
3. gnome-develL.png
References:
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada
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Ok,
you convinced me, using same tools for preferences as for development isn't a
very good idea...
Ben,
thanks for the ideas I will look into them as soon as I have enough time. But,
as for cogs - they are already used for system tools - and as for text, I fear
that an icon is too small to put
Hi again,
I sorted most of the cursors, created their default names and linked them with
names and hashes already used [1]. As I have never done cursor theme before
there can be a lot of mistakes so if there is/are one(s) able to check it,
please do it. Also, if you feel, one of the (un)sorted
Máirín Duffy napsal(a):
Hi Martin,
Martin Sourada wrote:
PS: I tried xcursorgen and currently use dark left-handed arrow I
created for
default cursor. So far it seems it is usable.
Can you post the cursor to the wiki page so other folks can try it too? :)
~m
Hi,
for quite a long time there hasn't been any communication about these icons, so
if everyone agree I will consider preferences-system / redhat-system_settings as
done. For 16x16 version I would pick a (better distinguishable) or d (better
follows elements positioning from bigger sizes). As for
Hi,
any further comments on these icons? Unless I could upload them to wiki [1]. The
current versions are on my wiki [2].
Thanks,
Martin
References:
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada
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Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 13:39 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
I have found a draft cursor naming spec [1] at freedesktop.org. Please
consider
it's implementation.
Note that there is NO support for this draft anywhere in our desktop to
date. Toolkits
Nicu Buculei napsal(a):
Don't you think it would be better to put the list as a table inside the
wiki page (just like the table with icons) instead of an attachment?
This way it would be easier to edit and when we have cursors they can be
included in html for visual feed-back.
If you insist
Hi,
I created new wiki page for the naming spec issue and cursor description[1].
Please check it out and help to improve and finish it.
About license: you wrote that Bluecurve is licensed under GPL. I didn't know it.
Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives:
1. cc-by-sa
Ben Arnold napsal(a):
All,
I have noticed on the Echo wiki page there is a space for a new
loading image. I have done some paper-based ideas which I have made a
quick mockup for; they can be seen on my wiki page [1].
As this cursor is a kind of key icon, seen by everyone quite a lot of
Hi all,
with Ben Arnold's throbber animation it came to my mind, that fedora uses the
same cursors red hat used for years - bluecurve. I think, as we replacing the
old bluecurve icon theme with new one, we could do the same with the rest of the
artwork. So what about making an Echo cursor theme?
Ben Arnold napsal(a):
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Martin Sourada wrote:
So what about making an Echo cursor theme?
I don't think anyone would oppose such a project. Start a cursor theme
and if it will look better then probably it will be used.
Over lunch, I
Nicu Buculei napsal(a):
IIRC, the current cursor theme is not that old as Bluecurve, but
certainly is made some years ago.
Hm,... than at least it is named Bluecurve... look at mouse cursor settings or
under /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/cursors.
Currently Bluecurve have two sets of icons:
Nicu Buculei napsal(a):
Martin Sourada wrote:
Will we make some wiki page for them (like EchoDevelopment) to easily
track
which ones need to be done now, or just start with sketches?
Sure, start a wiki page and post the sketches on that page.
I created subpage in my personal wiki page
Máirín Duffy napsal(a):
Hey Martin,
Why not stick this on the main artwork page? It sounds like a good
long-term project to me! It'll make it easier for folks to find I think!
~m
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Rahul Sundaram napsal(a):
It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people
to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in
Fedora?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers.
Rahul
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Ben Arnold napsal(a):
How about the orange that is used in the recent document-properties
lot? I would have thought that contrasted nicelyh with the blue in the
monitor and gives a more universal association with that colour.
I imagine, on the smaller versions, the screwdriver head might
Martin Sourada napsal(a):
Ok, I will attach the svgs on my personal wiki page.
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Hi,
I attached pngs and svgs of my currently
Martin Sourada napsal(a):
Well, that is if it is as an emblem, not as icon by itself, but I admit it can
cause confusion. I'll make the slightly tilted version of the dialog-question
icon
Martin Sourada napsal(a):
Hi,
I made two mockups for preferences-system icon listed in Echo ToDo list. One
is
inspired by tango icon for it [1], one by bluecurve icon [2]. I like the
second
one a little more. What do you think of them?
Any feedback and suggestions appreciated
Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
Le dimanche 18 mars 2007 à 13:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit :
On the second one blue screwdriver is difficult to separate from blue
screen
Thanks for your reply. Did you try it? I just tried it over the balloon
background from FD7T2 and it does not seem
Mark napsal(a):
looks good, but the edges on the help-faq images don`t look smooth..
the rest is looking fine.
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Thanks for your
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a):
Have you tried to use isometric perspective for both 24x24 and larger icon?
Btw, look at dialog-question icon to see if you can do something similar. Also
please check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme
I haven't tried the isometric
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a):
You will notice the case-basis mentioning slightly tilted perspective should
be used if some icons are hard to be rendered on isometric perspective.
But, also you will notice, that there is mentioned: to be used in creating
Action icons and also you will notice
Martin Sourada napsal(a):
But, also you will notice, that there is mentioned: to be used in creating
Action icons and also you will notice that all action icons, even those
that
could be in isometric perspective, are slightly tilted. But, nevertheless,
I'll
make the isometric variant
Hi,
I made some icons (inspired by bluecurve) for help-index, help-faq and
help-about. I attach all three in all three sizes. What do you think of them?
Thanks,
Martin
Attachments:
[1] help-about16.png
[2] help-about24.png
[3] help-aboutL.png
[4] help-content16.png
[5] help-content24.png
[6]
?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=edit-undoL.png
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=edit-undoL.png
it`s just a suggestion
looking good so far
good luck,
Mark.
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Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread. I was a bit skept=
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eem
Sorry again... seems I have some problems with thunderbird...
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I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an image on
a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form this
post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
and ended with something that seems to look fine[1]. Is that w=
hat you
was talking about?
Thanks for your suggestions.
Regards,
Martin Sourada
Attachments:
[1] - document-properties-8.png
Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a =C3=A9crit :
I made the icons as you
Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.
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Regards,
Martin Sourada
Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
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Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.
I definitively like this one more than the others
Since we can create shadows for icons now in inkscape (using blur effect) I
think it would be good to extend shadows guidelines with some default values
and default shadow creation. I think a basic values for a shadow made in
inkscape could be: color - $2d2d2db9, amount of blur - from about 12 to
, I would like to ask if some one can add me to the wiki edit group (on
fedoraproject.org).
Thanks,
Martin Sourada
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Certainly, I can provide both png and svg. But, should I provide both
with and without a folder? And, about the shadows - I saw, that svgs are
usualy without shadows - is that only because inkscape didn't have the
needed feature? If that is so, should I add the shadow only to the png,
or to
Ok, so I decided to put the shadow to the svg as well. I attach PNGs for
large and small sizes. SVGs can be downloaded here:
http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/echo/go-homeL.svg
http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/echo/go-homeS.svg
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Nicu Buculei wrote:
Of course not *solid* black. I think the intention is to use black
with a degree of transparency, which look gray, at least this is what
the other icon sets (for example Tango) do.
Well, I think the guidlines aren't as precise as one would like - there
isn't stated
Maybe we should at least consider whether the darkest color at the first
end should be solid or semitransparent. If it would be semitranpsparent
than the amount of lightness in that point could be handled only by the
transparency. As it is in real world - when the object which casts the
shadow
of making it so.
Regards,
Martin Sourada
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Yes, I am ok with this. I don't have write access to the guidlines wiki,
so if one with access to it edit it I would be glad :)
Diana Fong wrote:
Martin Sourada wrote:
Thanks for clarification. But then I think mail-mark-unread does not
fall to any of the groups. Also I tend to think
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