Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 23:54 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Above issues have been addressed. Here is latest version. Apart from the 16x16 they look good. The 16x16 needs more contrast, both the inner white outline and outline are too thin. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 00:55 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Outline has been increased to 1,5px. For that size, I am not sure if it is necessary to enlarge inner white outline. 16x16 should look crisp enough. This one is definitely better. Maybe slightly darker gradient for the 16x16 might further help, maybe not. You could also try making the outline slightly darker in that size. I have no other comments. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Icon Theme Future
Hi, the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general goals of echo and give some credit to various critics. The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be done ;-) That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time available for echo lately). Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-i.html attachment: echo-perspective-a-arrow.pngattachment: echo-perspective-a-arrow.svgattachment: echo-perspective-a-package.pngattachment: echo-perspective-a-package.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Future
That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Well, with one style. Huge difference. I'm still not a fan of the isometric view of the bigger icons, i think it causes most of the noise in the icons. Also, I do not see a need for that particular viewpoint. Anyway, the new perspective icons look much crispier. Good job! :) Hylke 2008/10/20 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general goals of echo and give some credit to various critics. The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be done ;-) That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time available for echo lately). Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-i.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Future
Martin Sourada a écrit : Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. Quick comment, I remember having a discussion with Maírín about setting perspective for 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much impact. Extra small icons (16x16) should stay flat due to their size. Luya signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Future
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 13:13 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. Quick comment, I remember having a discussion with Maírín about setting perspective for 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much impact. Extra small icons (16x16) should stay flat due to their size. Luya 16x16 should be definitely flat, I am still considering whether 24x24 as well, but seeing how gnome handles that, probably not... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
