Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
On 12/18/06, John Baer wrote: Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Have a look at this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39122 There is a splash screen, as well as some wonderful openoffice icons :) Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: how decisions are made in fedora art
Hi all, I want to support Nicu's idea, Máirín is the best candidate for leading the Fedora art team, and, Nicu is the second best one. JJM 2006/12/22, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Max Spevack wrote: But what I am interested in is making sure that all of the various Fedora sub-projects are able to make progress, work toward their goals, etc. And to do so in a way that is consistent with the community, meritocracy, etc. ideas of Fedora. So I shall try to help in that regard. And IMO, your help was very much needed here. I think that is the only way to handle the theme selection that is in the spirit of how we try to do things in the Fedora Project. I think that Jonathan Blandford's team (whether that be Jonathan himself or one of the people who works for him) should be able to offer input and opinions, as should all of the other contributors and volunteers in the Fedora Art project. We could use use this person (Jonathan or anyone else from his team) being subscribed to this list, we often have technical questions like for example about file formats, names or locations (see for some examples http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview) and a direct answer from someone on the list (not indirectly passing by the project lead) would simplify the work and speed-up the development. The leadership job, as with any, will not be an easy one. You'll have to look at all of the different goals of Fedora Art project and see to it that progress is being made on all of them. If that involves immediately delegating that responsibility to someone else, that's fine. But the Fedora Board expects that the project will run itself in a way that is in line with the Fedora ideals -- open decision making, transparency, etc. I see the activity of Fedora Art as something larger than this mailing list, a portion of the wiki and irc channel. We, the members of the project are working/meeting also on other locations, like deviantART, Flickr, FedoraForum, Mugshot and whatever other places I miss on this moment. We use them not only to better communicate and share our work, but also as a way to promote Fedora and to attract new contributors. As I see it, the leadership of the project should have some insight on those other activities of the project. Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for this position? I nominate Máirín Duffy. She in not only one of the founders and the most active contributors of this project, but is also an active and respected contributor to larger, upstream projects (like GNOME). She has the desired background (art studies and a job at Red Hat) and the needed short connections with both Red Hat engineers and GNOME developers. And not last, IMO, she proved she can be a community leader. I am on vacation myself right now, so I won't be on my email constantly. But I'll check this thread again in a day or two and see what sort of responses this email has generated. I guess the majority of us will be on a short vacation these days, but is very good that we started this talk. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- I'm still learning English... Jiří Jakub Mašek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Thoughts on recent threads
Hello everyone, Wow, the list server submissions have been heated of late. In the world of project management this phase of project team building is referred to as storming and it often produces a positive outcome. Max and David thank you for your comments. Your input is valued and appreciated. What I see as the root problem is a broken process and it can be addressed with a simple question. Fedora (aka Max, David, Jonathan, others from the Fedora council), what do you want and when do you want it? Diana's development of the release guide is a big help with the what. It provided me with a list of twelve images to developed and the criteria of the desired result. It also provided a valuable resource for discussion. For example, the Open Office and Gimp splash screens; can the RHGB program be changed to render artwork differently? IMO what we are lacking is published deadlines and a clear definition of the deliverables. I remember from the FC6 cycle the artwork came in late and we were advised by Rahul the submissions for FC7 needed to be more timely. In addition, the short deadline in FC6 produced an unfair burden which fell on Diana and Mola's shoulders. As a result, the artwork effort of FC7 began earlier but I now realize Diana, Mo, and others from Fedora have other product deadlines to honor. Therefore, as a submitter of artwork to the Fedora art team I request the following. 1)Publish a development schedule to the wiki. Detail as much as possible exactly what is to be complete (visual examples are good) and the outcome of the deadline. This could also become a dashboard if one were to assign a status (ie. Green/Yellow/Red or AheadOfSchedule/OnSchedule/Late). 2)Fedora needs to communicate it's vision clearly to the group. This vision should also reside on the wiki. For example, if Fedora desires not to theme the splash screen of Open Office make the declaration, if Fedora doesn't care make the declaration. If Fedora desires to use the color blue in new theme development make the declaration. 3)The team needs an ambassador to Fedora. The perfect example is my question on changing the RHGB program. I would add this person should not be an active submitter of artwork and can change from time to time. The reason is in addition to ambassador this person should be a coach to team submitters. As this person will more than likely be from Fedora, Fedora should decide who is best qualified to fill the role. 4)I would ask the team to communicate visually. Have an idea or see an improvement for a submission? Mock it up, a picture is truly worth a 1000 words. We agreed to only use open source products for development (mainly gimp inkscape) so passing files should not be an issue. 5)I would ask team members to post their intentions to the list server. I had no idea a forum post was made and an artwork theme poll was underway. A wonderful idea but I would have liked the opportunity to comment and participate in the forum thread. (If that was done and I missed it, great.) So where are we now? In my mind the development of the Flying High Theme needed to evolved to the point Fedora could give the thumbs up or down. I believe I have accomplished that goal and the result of the effort is posted to the preview wiki. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview I know if I were entrusted in making the decision on which theme to use I would want to see as much as possible. If I were purchasing an auto I want to see more than the bumper. To do less places the project at risk of getting something less than desired. Once the decision on the theme is made, the effort becomes refinement and polish. In conclusion what I see before us now is an opportunity for improvement. Let's agree Fedora 7 can be as good as we want it to be. Cheers, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Thoughts on recent threads
Hi John, John Baer wrote: Therefore, as a submitter of artwork to the Fedora art team I request the following. 1)Publish a development schedule to the wiki. Detail as much as possible exactly what is to be complete (visual examples are good) and the outcome of the deadline. This could also become a dashboard if one were to assign a status (ie. Green/Yellow/Red or AheadOfSchedule/OnSchedule/Late). John, we've had this available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes Bill Nottingham *just* sent out the FC7 schedule this week and I didn't have a chance to update it as others decided to override our existing schedule. When I created the schedule on the FC7Themes page, I was guesstimating good deadlines for each round and we discussed the deadline for round 2 openly on this list to account for the holidays [1]. I didn't have a final date for round 3, because I did not know the deadline for FC7 test 2 or test 3 yet. I would be perfectly happy to update that page with Bill's recently-published schedule in mind, however, with a due date for round 3. I'm not sure how with the information I had on hand at the time, however, that the schedule there could have been any more clear. As well as publishing this schedule on the wiki, I also sent it to this list [2], It's in a story I submitted to Fedora News [3], and I also posted the link in my blog which is syndicated on Fedora Planet [4]. All of the items to be created have been available on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview for a very long time (before Diana's recent modifications) and have been linked to on the Artwork/FC7Themes page. I really don't want to talk about that particular topic any more, though, I don't think it's good for my blood pressure. 2)Fedora needs to communicate it's vision clearly to the group. This vision should also reside on the wiki. For example, if Fedora desires not to theme the splash screen of Open Office make the declaration, if Fedora doesn't care make the declaration. If Fedora desires to use the color blue in new theme development make the declaration. We brought up the question of OOo splash screens and discussed it openly. Would you prefer someone make declarations rather than discussing issues like this out in the open? The point of round 2 in the theme process is to play around with different ways of rendering the ideas we came up in round one. See the first paragraph under Participate in FC7 Theme Development at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes. I don't think anyone really cares what the color is to make that declaration - really if you feel strongly about using some non-blue color, well... go for it! And show us what you come up with, and we'll discuss it. 3)The team needs an ambassador to Fedora. The perfect example is my question on changing the RHGB program. I would add this person should not be an active submitter of artwork and can change from time to time. The reason is in addition to ambassador this person should be a coach to team submitters. As this person will more than likely be from Fedora, Fedora should decide who is best qualified to fill the role. Your question about RHGB was discussed openly on this list. I actually discussed whether or not RHGB could do what you wanted to do with it with Ray Strode, who is the currently the Fedora package maintainer of RHGB, and I got back to you. Was there something wrong with how that went down? 4)I would ask the team to communicate visually. Have an idea or see an improvement for a submission? Mock it up, a picture is truly worth a 1000 words. We agreed to only use open source products for development (mainly gimp inkscape) so passing files should not be an issue. +1 ! Make sure you always upload your SVG and/or XCF sourcefiles when submitting! 5)I would ask team members to post their intentions to the list server. I had no idea a forum post was made and an artwork theme poll was underway. A wonderful idea but I would have liked the opportunity to comment and participate in the forum thread. (If that was done and I missed it, great.) I didn't know about the Fedora Forum post about the FC7 themes until one of the Fedora Forums community members emailed me about it a couple of weeks ago. I thought I had included it in my community feedback post [5], but looking back it looks like I didn't - I might have found out about it after that post. I am planning on writing up another set of community feedback as I continue to get lots and lots of feedback on my blog post as well as in Fedora Forums. So where are we now? In my mind the development of the Flying High Theme needed to evolved to the point Fedora could give the thumbs up or down. I believe I have accomplished that goal and the result of the effort is posted to the preview wiki. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview I know if I were
Community Feedback on Theme Work so far (part 2)
Hey folks, So we still continue to get feedback on what we came up with for round 1, both in my blog post and in Fedora Forum. Here's a recap: 1) Fedora Forum Feedback Martin Sourada created a poll on the different submissions we had at the end of round 1 (based on the blog post (see #2 below). By far the top two were Planet and Borealis: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=141039 There also seem to be some concerns about the themes appearing 'child-like', and 'not professional enough'. (I did let folks know that the images they were looking at were rough conceptual art and that we're in the process of refinement.) 2) Blog Post Feedback I announced round 2 of the theme process in my blog (which the Fedora News article linked to) and as a result we're still getting tons of replies: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/35195.html The feedback is very very strongly for planet. People really seem to like the idea: The image really reflects the vast possibility of the Fedora Project. Im with the Fedora Planet because it punches the most meaningful theme to the user. Looking at it, the first thing that came out in my mind about fedora for its background that flashes the infinite spaces that unknown to us which exactly as same as the fedora's logo itself. The planet which fedora's logo in it also mark the global fedora which means that it will someday be the most OS uses in the world or far beyond. Another thing mentioned in the replies here are mashing up the different submissions - eg. 'justnerds' suggested: This may be impractical, but what about taking a couple of the other themes (planet, borealis), and putting them on the balloons in the Flying High wallpaper/theme. and there may be a synergy by combining Planet Flying High. We got feedback that FC6 was too dark and that FC7's theme should be lighter. I LOVE the light blue... it looks more friendly than the dark one, which is in FC6... We also got more feedback on a more 'natural' theme - i think that the right is put just natural images, no cars, and airplanes, and high-tech stuff, 'cause there are people that won't like of this, like me Anyway, these are what I got out of the feedback. Feel free to take a look at the feedback directly and let's discuss what you got out of it and where we should go based on it! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora Planet round 2
Hi folks, So because we've got a lot of feedback for the Fedora Planet idea, I put together some images based on it. Since folks seemed to like Borealis too, I added some Borealis elements (as well as Flying High elements!) Check them out: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet What do you think? The SVGs are all there to play with. :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
