Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
> Not fast is not an option. Either working fast (and stable) or it is not > acceptable as default. Also, AFAIK, whether the compositing is turned on > or not depends on window manager (in our case metacity), not gtk or even > theme engine. Nah... Not true. You can use xcompmgr ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
Dnia 2008-04-03, czw o godzinie 20:08 +0200, Mark pisze: > Oke i made a mockup on the ones i intended to make. > I've only made the bottom bar and the tooltip + a suggestion on the animation. > > Here it is: > http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6213/fedora10mockupdi2.png > > Critics? Comments? > and most importand: is this possible in the current fedora? (bottom > bar is but the tooltip?) The "tooltip" is drawn by notification-daemon. You can easily create a theme and include it. Then you need to edit notification-daemon's gconf schemes to use that theme by default. Ubuntu did this. They include yellow bubble. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas
> for initial inspiration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/2366301782/ > or something similar http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/tags/sky/ Wunderbar! Ugh, I mean wonderful :) . But I think that "remaking" Flying High might be boring the users ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Inkscape on the installable media
I haven't seen first message of this topic, but imo, Inkscape shouldn't be on official install CD or DVD, since it requires some skills, adequate for Art spin. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Waves Grub Artwork
Dnia 11-03-2008, wto o godzinie 01:57 -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ pisze: > Hey folks, > > I came up with the attached after a couple days' work. Let me know what > you think! I attached the artwork as well as the xpm.gz. Copy it over to > /boot/grub and rename it splash.xpm.gz (back up yer old one if you want) > and reboot to check it out in action. > > One thing to note, I did this by indexing the inkscape-exported > full-color artwork in the gimp, and indexing down to 14 colors. That was > it. I remember in the past having to add black and white to colormap > slots 0 and 1 respectively, but grub seemed to not like that this time. > If you just use the 14 color pixmap, grub seems to deal with it just fine. Nice try :) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
Nicu Buculei wrote: (but I think the theme is ugly due to the color choice: blue and orange/brown). We're not Parsix, we can have different choices (; . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: > If you look at this link you can see the full article. > http://www.linux.com/feature/127394 > > and the screenshot is here: > http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/127394-1.jpg > > I'm just wondering if there is a chance to make gnome panels also > adhere to fedora color scheme? Is it default Parsix theme? I believe it is. > I'm amazed how Parsix made the gnome theme and gnome panels fit > together with their wallpaper. Me too :) . > Any chance of fedora going this route? What about usability? What do you mean? I don't follow you. I mean accessibility. GTK theme is dark. Less contrast = less accessibility. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
Valent Turkovic wrote: If you look at this link you can see the full article. http://www.linux.com/feature/127394 and the screenshot is here: http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/127394-1.jpg I'm just wondering if there is a chance to make gnome panels also adhere to fedora color scheme? Is it default Parsix theme? I'm amazed how Parsix made the gnome theme and gnome panels fit together with their wallpaper. Me too :) . Any chance of fedora going this route? What about usability? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-1096218c57cd3645e55b094661dd3f7208924a9b Mouldy sulphur... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Subtle style
Nicu Buculei pisze: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: I absolutely hate only one: the face browser login. Yeah, their face browser mockup login is ugly ^^ . But that is the least relevant, the new gdm (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm) change the way that screen is themed, only the background is customizable. Only background? Possible to change in some GDM-configuration program? I don't wanted to show that's better. It's just inspiration for you to create (another) great theme for upcoming release. We are now in Round 3, where we are supposed to finish the proposals from Round 2, new ideas are to be submitted in Round 1 Proposals from round 2 aren't satisfying in my opinion. In previous editions, the mockups were better. SUSE is easily recognizeable because of this gecko. We do not have such thing :( . We do not have such a thing for one of the following reasons: - we, as a team, were not able to come with something good enough: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot - the larger community didn't identify this as an useful feature - the timing for that initiative was not good Yes, we haven't something good... We have only logo, but logo is standard. I think about the infinity sign. It can be our sign... But it's not unique... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Subtle style
I want to show you simple theme, made for openSUSE, which I think is great, because of its simplicity. Here you go: http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.0/GreyGreen Yeah, it is quite nice (a little too bright for me, but nice). Doesn't matter. I absolutely hate only one: the face browser login. Yeah, their face browser mockup login is ugly ^^ . (Because it was not drawn by jimmac.) You can see the SUSE identity very prominent, both in the green and the spiral background (it is a lizard tail). Yes, that's great part of their artwork. I like it very much. But I wouldn't say it is simpler, nicer or better than Infinity, it is at about the same level (except for the face browser login, which is poor). I don't wanted to show that's better. It's just inspiration for you to create (another) great theme for upcoming release. SUSE is easily recognizeable because of this gecko. We do not have such thing :( . ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Subtle style
Hi, I want to show you simple theme, made for openSUSE, which I think is great, because of its simplicity. Here you go: http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.0/GreyGreen ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] fixing/completing go-* and media-* icons
Martin Sourada pisze: On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: First batch is prepared. I attach go-* for 16x16 size, I'll divide it to individual icons later. The reason why they are together is that it is easier to see if they are coherent and positioned correct and so I decided to make them together first and separate them later. Comments welcome, Martin Next batch is prepared. I attach go-* for 22x22 size. Comments welcome, Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Martin, it's strange, but you icons IMO are best Echo icons... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo future
Nicu Buculei wrote: Kelly Miller wrote: Go and tell that to the people who run KDE and use Firefox and/or Thunderbird as their main browser/email client. I guess they'd rather have their principle programs stick out like sore thumbs. Can I predict that you run Gnome as your main desktop? I've noticed that this sort of attitude seems to come from Gnome-centric people who feel that having anything Qt-related on their system is a corruption of FLOSS, and ignore anyone who tries to run both at the same time. Is not a corruption of FLOSS, is a break of the visual consistency, an unneeded waste of resources (have in RAM the supporting libraries for both toolkits) and and an awful increase in the startup speed of the apps using the *other* toolkit. Not only the resources, Nicu. Think about Martin's Sourada and others work - they're doing what they can to make Echo both-compatible. @Kelly: tell me, why XFCE can use GNOME's icon themes with success and KDE cannot? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo future
Kelly Miller wrote: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: QtCurve doesn't work well with GTK. Funny, it works perfectly fine when I use it. Most GNOME people don't want KDE's features and appearance, and vice versa. If someone mixes them, his problem. Go and tell that to the people who run KDE and use Firefox and/or Thunderbird as their main browser/email client. I guess they'd rather have their principle programs stick out like sore thumbs. Can I predict that you run Gnome as your main desktop? I've noticed that this sort of attitude seems to come from Gnome-centric people who feel that having anything Qt-related on their system is a corruption of FLOSS, and ignore anyone who tries to run both at the same time. Doesn't really matter, what I use and like. I like KDE, thats reason I put lipstik into repo. But KDE and GNOME are targeted into slightly different group of users. KDE users require more, GNOME users require less features and settings. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo future
Kelly Miller wrote: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: It's impossible to do a multi-DE icon set... I'm sorry for using such crude language out of the blue, but that is BULLSHIT. KDE and Gnome do not have that different an icon system that they cannot be used in tandem. In fact, what you're saying is that people working on unifying the appearance of the applications of both desktops (like the guys working on QtCurve and the various KDE-to-Gnome and Gnome-to-KDE style ports) should just give up, as what they're doing cannot be done, even though it has been. QtCurve doesn't work well with GTK. If KDE and Gnome cannot share one unified icon theme, how do you explain nuoveXT? Tango itself works pretty decently across both as well, and there's work ongoing to get Crystal SVG to work in Gnome as well. nuoveXT doesn't count. It provides many not needed icons. And again, KDE < 4 didn't applied to FD's icon naming spec. It needed many symlinks (and it needs them even for cursors). After all, I thought this very "impossibility" was the point of the freedesktop.org icon standard and icon-naming-utils... I don't think we need to join GNOME and KDE together to work on something. Those are almost whole systems (I know, same kernel can be used), they're so different and other people choose GNOME, other KDE. Most GNOME people don't want KDE's features and appearance, and vice versa. If someone mixes them, his problem. ^ My opinion. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo future
You probably do not understand why I'm so tango lover. GNOME has ugly icon theme, until the tango folks began their work. Almost all apps are now following the style, which is being common for GNOME (like the Aquaish icons are common for OSX). Some apps, until "art revolution" had ugly icons, even non-GNOME-1x. I think that making everything to make common style for GNOME is good idea. Many icon themes were known: Crux, GNOME, Bluecurve. Tango tries to make them look consistent, even, when they're not blur, but most green, etc. Foglie, Foxtrot, Crux, Mist - only few icon themes, which have own style for folder and every icon with folder emblem and are inheriting GNOME. They look very nice. Try Echo now. Looks inconsistent with Tango and with Oxygen. Echo is subtle, Tango has thick borders, Oxygen is glossy. GNOME and KDE always were different - different GUIs, different people targeted... Difference are good here, because you can see the power of choice. I know, splitting Echo for "only-Oxygen" and "only-Tango" would be stupid, but something between doesn't integrate neither with Tango nor Oxygen. "Livio is flaming"... Well known quote. I want to make desktop environment consistent, not mixed or split. See what bad spliting makes and what's good in merging back? Beryl was fork, now it's part of Compiz Fusion. Features of Beryl, high quality code of Compiz. Together are making mature product. I wonder if some beautiful day you'll join Tango. With your enthusiasm to work you would be very appreciated Tango contributors. PS: I'm talking mostly about Tango, because I'm using GNOME and contributon to GNOME. I think the differences between DEs are good. See ya later! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo future
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 23:06 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Easier would be making tango-compiliant theme to play well with GNOME apps. That would be pointless. We are offering an alternative that is stylistically (coincidentally) in between the tango style and oxygen style. I personally think that Echo can work quite good together (to some extent) with both, while tango and oxygen really don't work together at all... I see no reason, why they should work together. Tango is GNOME-related, Oxygen is KDE-related. Probably, if someone uses mix of GNOME and KDE apps, will like Echo, but... It sadly doesn't play well with Tangoish style of GNOME. With Oxygen probably too. Echo has too less borders and gloss, compared to Oxygen. Compared to Tango - too less gradients. It's impossible to do a multi-DE icon set... Some apps are using hardcoded pixmaps, but better are tangoish, than old-GNOME-1.x. Hard-coded pixmaps are bad, if you keep fillings bugs about those, the situation might improve for all the people trying to make their own icon themes (and guessing from look at gnome-look.org there are a lot of them). Listen, sometimes people don't want to create own icons for apps. Most of apps are placing icons in hicolor/, but they were never replaced (I've never seen ie. own Banshee icons). You cannot theme them, so style will be mixing. Yep and that's bad. Not everyone likes tango/oxygen/echo/bluecurve/whatever and we need to make it possible for people to use whatever theme they like but with consistent look throughout the desktop. Echo has more vibrant pallette (which partly I like, but the turqoise), Tango has more... "dirty" pallette and concrete styling guidelines - thick borders, gradient, gloss... Echo is so... not plain... subtle. It could even look good imo, if we could drop perspective. Both Tango and Oxy are using plain perspective. It's good because there will be no inconsistence in ie. Nautilus. But like I said before, while Echo icon theme has a lot of fans and followers we are short of contributors, which slows down the development to such extent that every now and then people question the possibility of it ever being complete. Also has antifans :> . And I personally think, you being one of the persons who like pursuing issues, you could probably help a lot with making the ToDo page, given that you already listed some of that in your tickets and here on art-list. I'll try to file more from time to time, like I do every day for Firefox Trunk and Thunderbird Trunk. This year my activity in BZ's is growing. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: echo icons should not be provided with fedora by default / echo cannot be the default icon set
Martin Sourada wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 16:13 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: I can file bugs, but I'm sure they'll not fix it. - This was not the thing you want to hear, I know, but that's true. Do you understand why they may not want to, given your behavior? If you really cared to have the issues you report fixed you would treat people with more respect. ~m One of the reasons why we do not care much to respond to your cries is, as Mo said, your behaviour. We just don't want some pointless flame. And as for fixing the issues (many of those you listed are real problems) its mainly a matter of lacking enough contributors. So if you really want to have clear reactions about them from us, you really have to fill bugs. If they are invalid, you'll be given straight notice, that it is not an issue or us, and if they are valid, they will not be forgotten. Given how much spare time I, and I suppose Luya as well, have, it's hard for the two of us to be making fast progress, but I hope that now when we have finally decided about the guidelines we can attract more people to contribute. Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Easier would be making tango-compiliant theme to play well with GNOME apps. Some apps are using hardcoded pixmaps, but better are tangoish, than old-GNOME-1.x. You cannot theme them, so style will be mixing. I'm said you decided to create icon theme from 0... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: echo icons should not be provided with fedora by default / echo cannot be the default icon set
Máirín Duffy wrote: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Jakub, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: hi, you know my opinion about echo: 1) You ALREADY sent this diatribe. Rather than re-sending it, think about why nobody cared to reply to it. 2) I am losing my patience with your Echo bashing. Filing bug reports for the icons you found objective issues with is far more helpful than flinging an trolling diatribe. I'm considering putting your messages on moderation. ~m Funny... I've sent here, not in BZ, list of issues with screenshots. Noone was interested. Why? Better is not to listen and ignore me. Yes, I realize from the first time you posted the list that you sent it to the mailing list. What I was trying to hint to you is that bug reports really belong in bugzilla, not on a mailing list, and certainly without the vinegar! Maybe the Echo folks aren't rushing to fix all the issues you've brought up since you've been extremely rude to them repeatedly? Ever hear of the saying 'sugar works better than vinegar' ? ~m I can file bugs, but I'm sure they'll not fix it. - This was not the thing you want to hear, I know, but that's true. Echo was made to be included in F7, then F8 and then for F9, but still it's not ready. Not so polished as it should be. #11, #12, #13, #14 in Hosted Trac. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: echo icons should not be provided with fedora by default / echo cannot be the default icon set
Máirín Duffy wrote: Jakub, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: hi, you know my opinion about echo: 1) You ALREADY sent this diatribe. Rather than re-sending it, think about why nobody cared to reply to it. 2) I am losing my patience with your Echo bashing. Filing bug reports for the icons you found objective issues with is far more helpful than flinging an trolling diatribe. I'm considering putting your messages on moderation. ~m Funny... I've sent here, not in BZ, list of issues with screenshots. Noone was interested. Why? Better is not to listen and ignore me. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
echo icons should not be provided with fedora by default / echo cannot be the default icon set
hi, you know my opinion about echo: * it causes mixing of tangoish style and echo, because of well used tango style and lack of icon in echo * they are not complete and they cannot cover some icons because of hardcoded pixmaps (not to accept is hardcoding echo instead of fixing that) * echo looks like childs play that was my subjective opinion. now some facts (0.3.1-1.fc8): * blurry gedit * blurry gcalctool * non-echo gnome-screenshot * non-echo dictionary * non-echo file-roller * non-echo sound-juicer * non-echo gimp * non-echo inkscape * non-echo gconf-editor * non-echo nautilus * non-echo gnome-mount * non-echo prefferred apps * non-echo keyboard prefs * non-echo appearance * non-echo windows * non-echo personal file sharing * non-echo date and time * non-echo screen * non-echo root's password * non-echo neat-control (network interfaces control tool) * non-echo grub configuration tool * non-echo services * non-echo authorization * non-echo users and groups * non-echo sound * non-echo firewall * non-echo lvm * non-echo gtk-help * non-echo gtk-close * no svgs * low visibility of panel volume icons * too much of transparency in system-search/whatever it is what I want you to tell? we cannot use that icons, becase we'll be mixing styles (that's a fact you must understand). even if you can stand on your head, you cannot change this. fedora should follow new fashion of tangoish artwork and should provide tangoish icons where possible to make its configuration tools integrate better with gnome (because without rewriting they'll never be kde-compiliant). why icons are *so* important? because "love at first sight" may occur. also, have you even seen ubuntu ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
echo icons should not be provided with fedora by default / echo cannot be the default icon set
hi, you know my opinion about echo: * it causes mixing of tangoish style and echo, because of well used tango style and lack of icon in echo * they are not complete and they cannot cover some icons because of hardcoded pixmaps (not to accept is hardcoding echo instead of fixing that) * echo looks like childs play that was my subjective opinion. now some facts (0.3.1-1.fc8): * blurry gedit * blurry gcalctool * non-echo gnome-screenshot * non-echo dictionary * non-echo file-roller * non-echo sound-juicer * non-echo gimp * non-echo inkscape * non-echo gconf-editor * non-echo nautilus * non-echo gnome-mount * non-echo prefferred apps * non-echo keyboard prefs * non-echo appearance * non-echo windows * non-echo personal file sharing * non-echo date and time * non-echo screen * non-echo root's password * non-echo neat-control (network interfaces control tool) * non-echo grub configuration tool * non-echo services * non-echo authorization * non-echo users and groups * non-echo sound * non-echo firewall * non-echo lvm * non-echo gtk-help * non-echo gtk-close * no svgs * low visibility of panel volume icons * too much of transparency in system-search/whatever it is what I want you to tell? we cannot use that icons, becase we'll be mixing styles (that's a fact you must understand). even if you can stand on your head, you cannot change this. fedora should follow new fashion of tangoish artwork and should provide tangoish icons where possible to make its configuration tools integrate better with gnome (because without rewriting they'll never be kde-compiliant). why icons are *so* important? because "love at first sight" may occur. also, have you even seen ubuntu... ie. hardy heron? it also mixes styles and don't look so good with this... but ubuntu is not mixing *perspectives* as fedora is gonna do. people are happy that fedora has used tangoish icons - they said "it looks so modern" etc. hylke bons said that in one of his entries. should we dissapoint them with incomplete bluecurve-inherited bluecurve replacement? i don't think so. tango guidelines are well know. their pallette may look dirty, but it's yet vibrant and looks good on both dark and light backgrounds. thanks to the border (part of tango guidelines). echo contains slight borders, slight gradient and too big contrast of colors. i said before, that i think that echo in tango styl would look interesting and modern, but didn't heard me. also, you wanted to show some examples of echo's issues. i've shown them to you, but you haven't even answered me... ignorance? fedora is not brought only to you, but to all. i want you to see the nonsense of echo. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
> So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream > gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their bugzilla... Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over files and folders in Nautilus... BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How useful is GNOME-VFS → GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no difference... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > > see it in fedora if possible. > > > What do you thing about it? > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > > > [1] > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu patch :> . Forgotten :> . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox Trunk tangoified
> And about the firefox tangofied.. do you have a screenshot? i rather > don't install it yet (did so a few days ago but reverted back to 2.0). http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2223173100/ And about Echo - that perspective makes Fedora look out-of-place in Linux Distro Pedestal. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > see it in fedora if possible. > What do you thing about it? > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > [1] > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 17:14 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a > >> contrast to gtk close button? > > > > 22x22 > > look at a icon I have in Firefox now under Fedora 8: > http://www.zshare.net/image/69245898a962e7/ > > Firefox 3 close tab button looks way out of place and too big for me > compared to close window button. Try Trunk. I had big button too (which I liked!). Now it's "normal", because I do not like 16x16 close icon. It's ugly. http://img.wklej.org/images/77069shot.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Firefox Trunk tangoified
Hi, I want to tell you the good news. Firefox in Trunk is now better tangoified :) ! Still some icons are missing, but Firefox is nearer its release :) . I think that you should see what progress is being made and try to make Echo so beautiful and vibrant. Imo, the current Echo has no life and its perspective doesn't play well with GNOME nor KDE (most of GNOME apps are going to use Tango!, not Echo and KDE apps are going to use Oxygen). PS: I wonder is some beautiful day Fedora can be tangoified so well. Now I'm filing bugs against different programs, about hardcoded pixmaps. Also, some of our config tools names should be included in icon-naming-utils (freedesktop.org specs). -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a > contrast to gtk close button? 22x22 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 02:46 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > Hi, > > > I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One > > > thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit > > > off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the > > > firefox. > > > Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This > > > looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox > > > window have bigger "X". > > > > > > It is not a big thing, just something to check out. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Valent. > > > > Screenshot, please. > > > > If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger > > gtk-close icon used. > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > here is the link > http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ > > ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( Exactly as I thinked. Bigger icon in the icon theme. I think the button looks now better and it's a usability feature (PS: all close buttons should be 22x22 imo). -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > Hi, > I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One > thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit > off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the > firefox. > Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This > looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox > window have bigger "X". > > It is not a big thing, just something to check out. > > Cheers, > Valent. Screenshot, please. If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger gtk-close icon used. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka GTK Engine 0.7 beta 2 released
Dnia 26-01-2008, sob o godzinie 18:04 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > Hi, > > today I've released gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6.90.2 (0.7 beta 2), and built > packages for rawhide, so with next compose it should appear in repos. As > for the looks, it is more or less what will be in F9 final, so now I aim > on fixing issues and bugs, so that it would work flawless when Fedora 9 > is released. If you find any bugs feel free to report them in trac [1]. > > And here's ChangeLog [2] selection with commentary since latest stable > release in fedora repos (0.6 with backported patches from 0.6.1): > > * scrollbars redesign > - it is now mac-like and so the slider and steppers has rounded corners. > It has some problems when used in gecko and that's why I disabled it at > first for firefox, but after consultation with mozilla guys I enabled it > again, since they fixed the problem in Firefox 3 which will be in Fedora > 9. I still have to investigate whether there is a way to disable it for > gecko <= 1.9. Did I reported this on their BZ? > * Check and Radio Button Bullet colour set in RC > - many people complained about the bullet colour itself and about the > fact that it was hard-coded. This is the answer to their calls. Good news. > > * New focus representation > - You know, the old dotted rectangle focus ring sucked. So I added two > engine options to allow nicer focus representation. One is adding > transparent rectangle over the widget, the other one is to set, whether > we want the secondary focus ring inside or outside the widget. Due to > focus styling of Tabs and Radio and Check Buttons these options have no > effect on their focus ring styling. > - In firefox the focus needs to be handled traditional way (i.e. drawn > independently on the widget), so Check and Radio Buttons have in firefox > different focus representation than in ordinary gtk app. I love new focus indicator :) . > * Gradient support in Toolbar and Menu Bar improvements > - I added one more type of gradient to Menu Bar and added same support > for gradients in Toolbars as is in Menu Bar. Both are handled > independently via engine options in RC file. > - This has, from what I noticed so far, two drawbacks. One is volume > button in toolbar (it draws its own background, while it IMHO shouldn't; > I noticed it in Listen Music Player) and next is new message button in > Evolution, for the same reason. For the Evolution one I noticed that > Clearlooks workaround this by disabling gradient in evolution toolbar. > However, I am personally not interested in such workaround. That's great :) . > * Tooltips styling > - Yep, finally I added styling for tooltips as well. Now it uses subtle > gradient and soft borders. They are very nice too. Overall, new Nodoka looks smoother and nicer. It puts modern feel into GNOME environment. Thanks for you hard work :) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon
Dnia 26-01-2008, sob o godzinie 14:09 +0100, Mark pisze: > 2008/1/26, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a > > result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using > > a > > magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. > > Sorry to say it again but i still think it looks like a calender icon > with a hard cover over it.. > Perhaps you find one of these [1], [2] and [3] useful? > > I personally like something like [3] the most and perhaps suits it best. > and the magnify icon is (sadly because it looks good) misplaced in > this case. a flag icon will make it better. > Good luck. > > [1] http://familydehaan.net/images/dictionary2.gif > [2] http://www.clickapps.com/products/pid_1656/screenshots/tiny.gif > [3] http://www.efusion.com.au/images/48/dictionary.gif And how do they did it in GNOME's icon theme: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/32x32/apps/accessories-dictionary.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon
Dnia 25-01-2008, pią o godzinie 22:15 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a > result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a > magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. @24x24 is a little bit blurry. Probably because of the perspective... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
Dnia 25-01-2008, pią o godzinie 14:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > And that's stupid... Trademarks... Fedora is opensource, yep? > > > > So why is it restricted with trademarks? > > Free and open source licenses cover copyrights and not trademarks. > Trademarks are required to protect a brand and the brand is valuable > enough to be protected. Otherwise anyone could do a distribution that > wipes off hard disks and call it Fedora. There are hundreds of > different FOSS projects where the brand is protected including the Linux > kernel, Apache, Mozilla Firefox and so on. Thanks to trademarks Iceweasel and Icedove projets started... Because of "opensource" and trademarks. They were patched Firefox and Thunderbird, until war began. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Nodoka-Livious
Hi, I modified Nodoka-GIT gtkrc a little bit and I think that my gtkrc [1] i great (personally) [2]. Not sure if I really should post it here, but it includes some Mac-like changes like the scrollbars (doesn't include M-City theme) :> . 1| http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/Nodoka-Livious.tar.bz2 2| http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/nl.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
It's me, again. I've filed the bug [1]. 1| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429912 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 13:22 -0500, Máirín Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Máirín, current icon is UGLY. Scaled down SVG... Piece of art. Huh! > > I agree. The person who scaled it down obviously did not understand how > to align it to the pixel grid. However proper scaling down of the logo > does not require the usage of the tango style does it? If we use Mist-inheriting icon theme we should follow the style and use Tangoish, if we use Echo, we should "echoify" the logo. > Have you filed a bug about the current icon? The question is: where? In bugzilla? Against fedora-logos? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: fedora 9 codenames
Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 13:01 -0500, Máirín Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 12:21 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > pisze: > >> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 18:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >>> I'm... > >> What the FUCK does this have to do with Fedora's art?! If you REALLY > >> want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, > >> and FIND A FRIEND. > > > > And where's moderation... > > Moderation says watch your mouth, this is an open list but if you can't > control yourself your mails will be put on moderation. Ignacio has used "F*" word, not me... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 13:13 -0500, Máirín Duffy pisze: > David Nielsen wrote: > > ons, 23 01 2008 kl. 17:44 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > > > >> Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would > >> pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the > >> first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first > >> at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And only after that, if it is approved, bring > >> the thing on the art list. > > > > Peter Gordon and myself have been fighting to get approval for this > > since, 24th of January 2007 without any kind of resolution. The process > > is broken.. and we were only asking for approval to use it as the > > default menu logo in the Fedora Tango package. > > I was not handling the logo queue at that time, according to my records > Diana Fong handled that ticket. The only record I see of the ticket is a > request from Peter on January 23 2007 which was picked up by Diana, I > don't have any record of the exchange though since we were using ORTS at > the time and it was quite broken. > > As the current owner of the logo approval queue, I have no problem with > the Tango-ified Fedora logo icon being included in the Fedora Tango > package but would prefer the Tango-ified icon *not* be the default as it > is not really a pure representation of the Fedora logo in the sense that > it takes some liberties with the official logo usage guidelines. Máirín, current icon is UGLY. Scaled down SVG... Piece of art. Huh! -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: fedora 9 codenames
Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 12:21 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams pisze: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 18:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I'm... > > What the FUCK does this have to do with Fedora's art?! If you REALLY > want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, > and FIND A FRIEND. And where's moderation... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
fedora 9 codenames
Hi, I'm really not satisfied. Names suggested as F9 codenames are worst than... PoKeMons. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
Dnia 23-01-2008, śro o godzinie 18:53 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 17:12 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> > >> 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ > > You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF > > icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have > > PNG web-page icon. > > Of course is possible to have the favicon as PNG, this is what I use for > *years* on my websites, but I don't know and, frankly, don't care, about > Internet Explorer. You too :D . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
> You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF > icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have > PNG web-page icon. I'm using PNG for my website... Looks nice (not sure if IE supports this, but I don't care). > Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would > pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the > first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And only after that, if it is approved, bring > the thing on the art list. And that's stupid... Trademarks... Fedora is opensource, yep? So why is it restricted with trademarks? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
> I agree with you that the icon is nice and would be good to use it as > a default icon. > I proposed something the same a while ago as well (when that icon was > shown here) but there was a reason not to do so.. (i forgot what it > was). I'm curious, what was that... > but you are wrong about the SVG part. the icon you point to is just a > gif/png favicon not a scaled down svg. for a scaled down svg you just > need to look at the fedora (gnome) menu icon. (might be a png as well > but generated from the svg). Both are ugly and pixelated... - I don't know why trademarks are stopping us from making Fedora artwork better... Ubuntu Logo also is registered trademark, but it's not generated from SVG in all their artwork (look at boot splash screen or logon screen). -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme
Hi, I know, this topic was here some time ago, but I want it to be succeeded. Scaled down SVG look terrible [1] . My proposal is to use modern Tango! palette everywhere, where small Fedora logo appers, since Fedora is opensource (why trademarks are stopping us from make it look beautiful?) [2] . Mist is Tango!-styled icon theme, which looks very nice. Fedora's default icon theme inherits Mist, but uses ugly scaled down SVG - it mixes styles: tangoish and plain, non-tangoish. You don't want to mix styles, as said some time ago somewhere, so lets use modern tangoish artwork, which looks awesome and makes Linux well recognized. 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ 2| http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
nodoka-related bugs in firefox
Hi, I've found two bugs in Firefox [1] [2], which are Nodoka-related. Not sure if this is your (Nodoka authors') fault, or their fault. Just wanted to show them to you, if you know, how to fix them. 1| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413236 2| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413238 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more
2008/1/17, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Those letters, abc, are not good visible. > > Maybe another metaphor for this icon? Eg book with glasses... Dunno... > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > Could you try to enhance it? i see you posting in about every new art > related subject but you never seem to post your own images or > enhancements. > > @Luya > for comments on this icon. > the font is indeed looking bad but the book design could be done > slightly different as well. > Perhaps a hard cover book idea? with a rounded back? [1], [2] and [3] > for examples or more: [4] > > Now i get the idea that this is a calendar with a cover over it ^_^. > > [1] http://images.inmagine.com/img/photodisc/pdgp035/pdGP035001.jpg > [2] http://www.stairway.org/parmer/images/s011476w.jpg > [3] > http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4009339/2/istockphoto_4009339_books_hemicircle.jpg > [4] > http://images.google.nl/images?q=book+hardcover&ndsp=18&svnum=100&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Better if I would not touch icons... For now. Maybe in future I'll learn Inkscape. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more
2008/1/17, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I got a busy week with classes and I had quickly designed icons for > accessories-dictionary. The draft is rough and you may notice some > blurriness on these white typefaces (eer, fonts). Feel free to enhance > them. > > So far, works were done on optimizing faulty SVG icons. Whenever > possible, we should focus on creating new icons that are missing[1] > while following the guideline[2]. Some items from the menu can be based > from the existing Echo icons (for example: media-optical). > > Luya > > References: > - > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > [2]https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines > > -- > ™ ¢ D0<Š > > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Those letters, abc, are not good visible. Maybe another metaphor for this icon? Eg book with glasses... Dunno... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt
2008/1/14, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > That little person... It looks odd. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > I think that as well. > > Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can > come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on > the Internet, so I attach it). > > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > It would be nice if Echo would use shared metaphors for all icons. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons
2008/1/14, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/14, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Pushed into the trunk. > > I have grabbed some screenshot for the preview. > > > > Luya > > Looks good! (a tiny bit lighter would be even better ^_^) > thanx for the update. > > Mark. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Height could be few pixels higher, but it's good ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons
2008/1/13, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:48 +0100, Mark wrote: > > This one is great! > > > > Martin > > Thanx Martin! > you don't often say that for icons (that i've made). > > Mark. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > It's good to critique. After receiving critique you can make better art. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10
2008/1/13, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > > the preferences-desktop icon is about as bright as this one is now. > > > So i think it fits perfectly. > > > > > Not at all (IMO). It's not only about how bright it physically is, but > > also how bright it feels, and in that case you need to compare it with > > icons that will be together with it. I created an image where I compare > > folder-network (since it has both globe which is used for more mimetypes > > and a folder which is quite often seen in nautilus), your > > package-x-generic and the one from guidelines. You can compare for > > yourself. I think you should see that your package looks odd among the > > other two (while good by itself). > > > > Solution offers itself. Make it darker and make the colours more > > vibrant, or take the one from guidelines and work a little on the > > gradients if you think it is too dark. > > > > Martin > > i could redo all the folder icons in the same colors as this box of > mine ^_^ than it will fit in echo. > but seriously. the current package icon is way to dark.. and if you > make the comparison than please do it with the new globe you made (the > one with the stars(?) in it) than it might fit better. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Leave the folders alone! They're alive, full of live, colors. Your box looks dead :> . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10
2008/1/13, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hm, I've just opened it in ikscape to see why it looks like looked at > > through mist, and the main problem here is clearly the outline. Please > > use darker colour on the outlines than on the icon itself. Brighter > > borders work good only in some special cases (or with dark icons). > > > > Martin > > And here is the promised update. > It's amazing what a simple border color change can do in a image. the > complete image now looks darker than before while it's really only the > border that's changed. > > comments and critics? > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Isn't it too bright? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt
2008/1/13, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > And again a new one.. > > changelog > * made a simple wallpaper in the screen > * added password start in the screen together with a password field > * made the user icon even more brighter (about the brightest colors > that can be chosen in the guideline) > > If there are no suggestions for this one than it's a finished icon for me. > with the exception of the creation of the 16x16 image. > > Mark. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > That little person... It looks odd. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt
22x22/24x24 are the most important sizes of this icon. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
2008/1/10, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 15:38 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > I dislike favourites etc in panels/dock. I even hate it. > > Menu with "favourites" is better idea imo. > > > And what I hate is having a favourites menu which is constantly changing > its contents. As for having a favourites menu, I am sure it's not such a > hard task to make it. I just tried it and it's quite easy, though it > might be even easier. Just right-click on the menu and select edit, I am > sure you'll think up the rest (hint: drag'n'drop between menus, and the > 'create new menu' might help a bit ;) > > See what I just made (in a few minutes, without any previous knowledge > about menu editing) [1]. > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > Martin > > References > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/menu-favourites.png > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I don't want menu in that flavor... I like SUSE's idea, but not their code... This program requires legacy formats to be supported, etc. Hylke Bons did great work ( http://bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/new-attempt-to-a-usable-main-menu/ ), but this menu doesn't work for me at all :( . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 1
I dislike them, but there's a hope in the end. These are only mockups. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
2008/1/10, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Valent Turkovic a écrit : > > > > > > I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is > > > responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome > > panels design wise > > > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that > > to me. New > > > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with > > gnome panels. > > > Why are gnome panels so plain? > > You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one > > bottom > > panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it > > comes to > > artwork. > > > > Luya > > > > ___ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > GNOME is very usable, but two panels can be confusing solution. > > Next thing I don't like is the default menu in the top panel. > > This menu have no "favourites". I dislike it. > > > > Actually I find 2 panels to be much better than one. The favourites are > handled in the bottom panel (by hand, as I am the one who knows best > what I'd like to have accessible via one-click) as well as some applets > like volume setting, trash, log out, lock screen, run, notify area and > virtual desktop switcher... In the top one I have menu, window list and > some applets that say whats going on (i.e. how much network traffic I > have, how much CPU is used and what datum and time is it). I find it > very convenient, easy to manage and fast to use, much better than only > when panel setting - to me it seems one panel for all the things I'd > like to have accessible on one click is not very useful... (as a matter > of fact, when I occasionally use windows I find the one panel with start > menu quite confusing and shortcoming of space). > > But what I want to say with it, the default configuration is chosen to > fit most of the gnome users, but not everyone use it as is, but make > their own layout, but still I think two panels have much more positives > than negatives over one panel. Also having the menu on the top is nice, > since application menus are on the top of window as well, so it is more > logical. > > Just my 2$. > > Btw. if you'd like the default panel configuration changed, make your > proposal on the fedora-desktop-list [1], I am sure they'll gladly > discuss it with you. > > Martin > > References: > [1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/panels.png - what panel layout > I find to work the best for me > > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I dislike favourites etc in panels/dock. I even hate it. Menu with "favourites" is better idea imo. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Some updates.
2008/1/10, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Mark a écrit : > > The save icon looks good to me now. > > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > > > > Here is the latest set of camera-photo icons. That will be the final > draft as I would like to focus on other icons. > > Luya > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48j.svg > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Nice. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Some updates.
2008/1/10, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Mark a écrit : > > 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Camera set icon got more modifications. The inline is more lighter to > > allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric > > shape[1]. > > > > Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy > > disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done > yet. > > > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > > > > Luya > > > > Hey, > > > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > > > > Updated version available[1] > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > > > > > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > > > > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I > made > > a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] > > > > Luya > > > > References > > > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ > > The save icon looks good to me now. > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > I'm not a graphic... I can't edit it, because I have no skills. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set
> > [1] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save22b.png > [2] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save22b.svg > [3] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save24b.png > [4] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save24b.svg > [5] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save16b.png > [6] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save16b.svg > [7] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save32b.png > [8] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save32b.svg > [9] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save48b.png > [10] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save48b.svg > Nice, but doesn't look like HDD at all. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Valent Turkovic a écrit : > > > > I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is > > responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome panels design wise > > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that to me. New > > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with gnome panels. > > Why are gnome panels so plain? > You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one bottom > panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it comes to > artwork. > > Luya > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > GNOME is very usable, but two panels can be confusing solution. Next thing I don't like is the default menu in the top panel. This menu have no "favourites". I dislike it. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
2008/1/9, David Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > ons, 09 01 2008 kl. 17:13 +0100, skrev Valent Turkovic: > > On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that > is > > > > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > > > listen to it if you can. > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of > actual > > > issues brought up would be helpful. > > > > > > > I was away a few days... so the late reply. > > > > Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have > > really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork > > team should listen to it. > > If you have flash you can hear it here: > > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > > if you want to listen to if offline here you go: > > > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg > > > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 > > Basically that is all subjective opinion on the theme.. other people > praised the artwork - in fact most of the reviews I read did so. F8 e.g. > was probably the first Fedora theme I really enjoyed, nicely > professional and sutle. There, following my subjective review we are > doing great... woohoo! > > Basically Bert and Ernie spend the entire review hating on the artwork > instead of actually reviewing the distribution and informing people > about the cool stuff we worked on. Which pretty much useless for > everyone. > > So I don't really see how this hatchjob is helpful to anyone.. > > - David > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I wonder if NM 0.7 with cool new features will be available in F8, until F9 is released. One of them is static configuration (available in openSUSE and Ubuntu via hackish patches. Tomorrow system-config-network will allow to edit this configuration and NM will use it. Nice. It's only one of improvements. Next thing we gonna see is Firefox 3 - almost native (I care about it and I'm filing bugs in their bugzilla, I'm also using Minefiled everyday). The only thing that need to be written here is short new artwork review, but it's not ready yet ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set
2008/1/9, Michael Beckwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > No issues here with it being vertical. People are already turning folder > > vertical. > > > > I only saw them in M$' OS. > > Not looking hard enough. > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white?content=70299 > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/newblack?content=72273 > > I imagine those are just two examples of many that are available with > peoples abilities to make their own icon packs. > Blah. Examples you shown are the ugliest icons I've ever seen. The even not worth looking. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
2008/1/9, Michael Beckwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Sticking with blues is what they call brand recognition and brand > association. Yeah, some companies go through the trouble of changing > their entire color scheme, but when they do they span across absolutely > everything, not just some aspects. > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some > >> freshness and live to the Linux desktop. > > But fresh is a new colour :) > > Come on you burned blue colour from all your monitors that if one more > > blue theme comes out it will look washed ot because the blue fosfor in > > monitors is burned out :) > > > > ___ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > If Fedora would change the logo (I even haven't thinked about it), then it should change the colors. Otherwise - colors shouldn't be touched. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set
> > No issues here with it being vertical. People are already turning folder > vertical. > I only saw them in M$' OS. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Logos
Can I request logos SVG package (I think here's faster to obtain them)? I lost them. Again :/ . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
> > So now you are on the F8-artwork-sucks bandwagon too? > No. I said we made big progress from FC5 and F8 is the icon of Fedora's art. Our perl. Also, I mentioned openSUSE's theme progress - they're changeing themes in every release exactly how we do. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
Fedora 8 is great! It's impossible to say anything else than good words about it. Those gradient, curvy lines... Great! I even like the Mist iconset in F8, which I didn't liked half year ago. I wonder if Echo icon set would be polished and look good (I wouldn't say anything about mixing styles *). * Hey, Ubuntu mixes style too. We're not so bad (; . 2008/1/9, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Máirín Duffy wrote: > > Thank you SO MUCH Valent. The feedback from this podcast is SO HELPFUL. > > Not only that, but it really confirms to me that the 100+ hours of my > > PERSONAL time (time I could have spent with my family or friends) that I > > put into it was REALLY WORTH IT. Thank you so much Valent for bringing > > this to my attention, I am now so motivated to put EVEN MORE TIME into > > Fedora 9, because I now see how much my and this teams efforts are > > APPRECIATED. > > Mo, unfortunately my spoken English is really bad, otherwise I would > record a podcast especially for you, saying how awesome the F8 artwork > is and how we appreciate your work, don't listen to those guys. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set
But the HDD in all other themes is in horizontal position. Echo will stay off. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:04 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But why the HDD doesn't lay :> ? > > > > I suppose you meant 'lie'? If so than because it's an action icon > and it would look really strange among other action icons if it > were lying. > > Martin > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
How do I did it? I just used quick reply in Gmail. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:09 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness > > and live to the Linux desktop. > > > [snip] > > That's why we have every release new wallpaper and why there is the > three round battle. To the first round even non-artists can propose > their ideas. If the idea will be good, surely one of the more skilled > ones pick up the idea and makes a great theme around it... > > PS: Jakub, please don't top post, it's hard to follow. > > Martin > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness and live to the Linux desktop. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:59 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Máirín Duffy wrote: > > > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > > > > >>>> Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered > > >>>> releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the > > >>>> even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. > > >>>> > > >> Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring > releases > > >> and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? > > >> > > > > > > Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative > > > feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than > > > they should I think. > > > > > > ~m > > > > > > > I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue > > in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to > > see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. > > > And confusing. Everyone in the linux world has Fedora associated with > blue colour. If we changed that there would surely be much more people > complaining than accepting the change. I believe everyone had opensuse > asociated with green already, so if they had blue themes before, it was > only a logical step to make it green, IMO. > > Martin > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Exactly. Fedora should make some revolution, as it's one the most modern distros (openSUSE provides nice GUI improvements, but below GUI, they really suck). openSUSE shows nice artwork progress - every version has new nice art, exactly like Fedora does. We made big improvment from FC5 until F8. We can't waste our current opinion (about art). 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Steven Garrity wrote: > > Please look these two screenshots: > > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL > > http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > > > > One is FC6 and other is F8. > > > > Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and > > too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it > deserves. > > > > So slowing down design really sound bad to me. > > > > Valent. > > > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the > difference is obvious, though subtle. > > As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in > Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't > you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best > while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots > > ___________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Some updates.
Hmmm. The blue arrows looks strange. 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Mark a écrit : > > 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Camera set icon got more modifications. The inline is more lighter to > allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric > shape[1]. > > Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy > disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya > > Hey, > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > > Updated version available[1] > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I > made a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] > > Luya > > References > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ > > > -- > ™ ¢ D0<Š > > > ___________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set
But why the HDD doesn't lay :> ? 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 14:34 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Document-save(-as) icon set is updated [1]. > > > > Luya > > > > Reference: > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/ > > That's a lot better! What about making it a little more thin like the > gnome icon? But nevertheless, this icon is quite easy to recognise which > is what we aim for in the first place. Please, use flat perspective for > the 22x22 and 24x24 icon as well, to keep consistency with the rest of > the icons. Also the 16x16 icon is blurry, perhaps need some > simplification and better positioning. > > Oh, and maybe, just a little idea, the gradient might be less intensive > (i.e. in the bottom left a little lighter and in the top right a little > darker), but as it is now it's also great. > > And I just noticed it, but the plug is usually on the other side of the > hard-disk, so I'd suggest to either mirror the face side vertically or > make the right-hand side silver (similar to the top side). > > Martin > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released
It should provide simple GUI as Firefox needs to be usable. EOT. 2008/1/6, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 09:00 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Imagine end-users which want help even with changing wallpaper. > > They would say "my Internet is broken". Simple GUI is needed. > > Well, in this case, the internet is really broken. firefox simply > doesn't cover it up any longer... > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon
Hmmm... I looked again at this icons and I must tell "it's too bright", everything else is ok. 2008/1/7, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/1/6, Luya Tshimbalanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have taken some time to rework preference-desktop-pda icon for Echo. > > For some reasons, it does not replace le legacy Bluecurve version. Some > > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > > > Luya > > Looking good! except for the 16x16. Perhaps a lighter blue color in > the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon
If all icons would lool like this one, I would even like Echo, because the turqoise in this icon isn't contrasted so much, it's nice. Dnia 06-01-2008, N o godzinie 11:58 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 10:39 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > I have taken some time to rework preference-desktop-pda icon for Echo. > > For some reasons, it does not replace le legacy Bluecurve version. Some > > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > > > Luya > > > > These are great! I'd maybe make stronger outline to the 32x32 and 48x48 > version and better align to grid the 16x16 version but otherwise it's > great. Much more echoey than the previous version. > > I believe you are missing a symlink there. > System->Preferences->Hardware->Palm OS Devices use gnome-palm icon. > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon
Very nice :) ! Little bit blurry at 22x22/24x24, but I know you'll fix it quickly. Dnia 06-01-2008, N o godzinie 01:39 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > I have taken some time to rework preference-desktop-pda icon for Echo. > For some reasons, it does not replace le legacy Bluecurve version. Some > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > Luya > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released
Aqua is trademarked? I'm waiting for trademarked potatoes, tomatoes, bananas etc. :> . Dnia 06-01-2008, N o godzinie 04:22 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Martin Sourada seznam.cz> writes: > > Nodoka-Aqua > > I think you're infringing on Apple's trademark there, something more generic > like Nodoka-Water, Nodoka-Sea or Nodoka-Ocean might be a better idea. > (WARNING: > I haven't done any trademark search on those names, I just know Aqua is > obviously bad. ;-) ) > > > In the screenshots you can also notice newer metacity that that > > available publicly. I am still not sure about it, so I didn't uploaded > > it to git yet, so I would be grateful for your comments/suggestions in > > this matter as well. > > Do you mean the latest code is not in releases/ or not in the repo itself? If > it's the latter, I'll have to kindly ask you to be more open about > development, > if we (KDE SIG folks) seriously want to work on matching KDE themes, we'll > have > to be able to track your work closely. This means every change should be > committed ASAP, not in "code drops". > > To be clear: changes should be going into the git repo ASAP (even when not > fully releasable yet), releases should only happen when the code is actually > releasable, of course. :-) > > Kevin Kofler > > _______________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released
Imagine end-users which want help even with changing wallpaper. They would say "my Internet is broken". Simple GUI is needed. Dnia 05-01-2008, So o godzinie 21:49 -0500, Matthias Clasen pisze: > On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:53 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > > Em Sáb, 2008-01-05 às 20:21 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > > Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening > > > "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open > > > Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very > > > much until they modified this behaviour. > > > > Yes, thank you Mozilla for making this so retarded. I understand > > security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the > > atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. > > > > I want that hour of my life back. > > > > Making it this annoying may be the only way to get some of the web sites > fixes. I'd certainly hope that it has this effect for the RH/Fedora > servers... > > ___________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released
I'll file a bug tomorrow. Dnia 05-01-2008, So o godzinie 20:53 +0100, David Nielsen pisze: > Em Sáb, 2008-01-05 às 20:21 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening > > "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open > > Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very > > much until they modified this behaviour. > > Yes, thank you Mozilla for making this so retarded. I understand > security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the > atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. > > I want that hour of my life back. > > - David *I'm not into BDSM.. please how many times do I have to explain > that Mozilla?* Nielsen > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released
Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very much until they modified this behaviour. Dnia 05-01-2008, So o godzinie 20:21 +0100, Joachim Frieben pisze: > On Jan 5, 2008 6:31 PM, Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots > > This URL is badly chosen, as for FF3 and equivalent, it leads to a > secure connection failure because of an invalid certificate. For the > current epiphany development version, this failure renders the page > effectively inaccessible. > It might thus be better to avoid using "fedorahosted.org" completely > and use "hosted.fedoraproject.org" instead for which the certificate > has been issued. > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links)
> * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it > is not aligned to the pixel grid. > - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? That's really good idea, because GNOME, default Fedora's environment uses Tangoish style be default. Current Fedora's icon is blurry, dark and... ugly. Keeping same styl around whole environment is good. PS: Echo would break whole Tango! Project work... signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9
Fedora could only style Thunderbird's background on chrome:/// homepage. It would look nice if it would be styled. 2007/12/31, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Rogue wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and > > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a > > custom Fedora centric splash screen. > > > > What do you folks think about it? > > > > - -Rogue > > > Hi Rogue! > Eeek, please don't! :) > Part of the reason neither firefox or thunderbird don't have splash > screens out of the box, like Netscape 4.77 did (and mozilla browser as > well, if my memory don't play me any tricks) is that they load in a snap. > - Andreas > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links)
[[ * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it is not aligned to the pixel grid. - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? ]] I want it to be official ICON in all places. Only icon, fedora-logo-icon in hicolor, because this style is very nice and modern. 2007/12/31, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Ah, seems I put fedora-art in cc, but sent it from the wrong e-mail > account. > Hope it gets delivered correctly this time. > - Andreas > > > Hi Máirín! > Hope you had a nice Christmas. Here is the first batch of the list I > promised on irc. > Added fedora-art list to cc. > - Andreas > > * gthumb icon looks blurry. the artwork itself would probably look fine > if it wasn't so blurred. > - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gthumb/trunk/data/icons/ > > * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it > is not aligned to the pixel grid. > - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? > > * blog entry poster' icon looks... pretty bad. I think this one needs > actual artwork. > - fixed in trunk! http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/ > > * Contacts icon looks blurry, the artwork would probably look fine if it > wasn't blurred. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * Email icon looks blurry. There should be an alternative icon for this > in the gnome-icon-theme though, an image of an envelope. I'm guessing > this is some kind of icon theme/packaging issue? > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * Ekiga icon looks blurry. The artwork would be okay if it wasn't blurry. > - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ > > * Abiword icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this > somewhere. > - this will be fixed in 2.6 > > *Gnumeric icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this > as well. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 > > * Tasks icon looks blurry. I know there is an icon for this in the gnome > icon theme but it seems to only be in the 24x24 dir, but a 22x22 one > could be easily made... > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * CD player icon is blurry. The artwork doesn't really match the theme > either. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504911 > > * Bluetooth analyzer - would probably be ok if not so blurry. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506133 > > * Bluetooth filesharing - would probably be ok if not so blurry. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484403 > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 9 Theme: At Last
I love vectors, but without gradients. Kubuntu Breezy Badger had nice SVG example - world map with its logo. Very nice, but I can't find the links. 2007/12/31, Brandon Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Andrew, > That idea is really good and will look really sharp. > > I think perhaps white lettering would help the Fedora logo to stand out > equally > with the black silhouette. > Brandon Thomas > > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
It's not our problem, if browser renders widgets ugly. We should provide native buttons or buttons with eye-candy bg. 2007/12/29, Rogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide > > CSS for them. > > > > The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets > look the same across different browsers. > > Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What > about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers > look terrible? > > I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part > of the F9 release? > > Any thoughts on this one? > > later, > Rogue > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHdeU7ceS9IQvx51YRAvapAKCo8mUTxdGEgEtMs6GiUfb4uFtG9wCfY5+3 > PSpWsN2Cp7PDhB2GAZNs0YU= > =Ra6H > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Well, Firefox !=< 3 sucks a little bit. Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 12:47 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a > personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference > to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the > page. Should have clarified. > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > > > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > > > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > > > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > > > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > > > I'd be happy to click. > > > -- > > > > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person > to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form > buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome > theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF > > > > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > > difference on first sight ;) > > > > Martin > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide CSS for them. Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 09:35 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > difference on first sight ;) > > Martin > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > I'd be happy to click. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Google.com - native widgets. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > > > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Google.com - native widgets. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about, man?! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for > it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to > have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and > appeal your case to them. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and > > they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > > > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > > > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > > > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > > > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > > > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ~Michael > > > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > > > ___ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Exactly that widgets should not be styled. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > enough to not worry about personally. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > > > > > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I > > > haven't > > > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > > > > > Kevin Kofler > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft
Of course higher size = more details, but remember - icon must be
readable at all.
Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 16:33 -0800, Mark pisze:
> 2007/12/24, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Maybe they're too dark but icons are too small to show photo-realistic
> > things. Icons should be only symbols.
>
> Even than they are to dark. making the symbols lighter would be best..
> and the small icons (16x16 and 22x22) can be symbols indeed.. the
> bigger ones can have more details and could be (my opinion) more
> realistic than the ones posted so far.
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Re: Form widgets on fpo website
But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > Kevin Kofler > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Mine browser doesn't suck, silly.
Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. Run Firefox 2 and then Firefox
3.
FF2 - ugly non-gtk widgets on websites.
FF3 - beautiful gtk widgets on websites and those rectangular piece
of... rectangle.
Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:01 +, Kevin Kofler pisze:
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes:
> > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native
> > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones...
>
> Could it be that your browser sucks? ;-) Konqueror is showing me only native
> form widgets on fedoraproject.org.
>
> Kevin Kofler
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