Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
On 05/15/2009 10:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi folks, As discussed some time ago [1], we are going to rebrand ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team, both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI design will know where to go. Well, for roundabout reasons (getting fed up with our limited ability to collaborate on files, more later in this email) I finally got around to starting this process. MAILING LIST === We have a new mailing list, now hosted on Fedora's infrastructure: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team Unless there are any objections, I'm going to migrate all subscribers of fedora-art-list to the new design-team list and unsubscribe them from the old art list. I am not sure if there is a better approach. What do you think? I can also try to have a redirect put into place so mails to fedora-art-list@redhat.com are forwarded to design-t...@lists.fedoraproject.org. Additionally, I plan to add some information on the old fedora-art-list list info page to redirect users to the design-team list info page. This looks like a good plan. WIKI PAGE = I started a new wiki page under /Design a long time ago, but we'll have to populate it with details about our team and such. It's pretty bare right now: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design Yeah, we could start with adding a banner, create categories for navigation and such. IRC CHANNEL We've had #fedora-design open for a while in freenode, but only a few of us have been in there, please join us in there if you like! Been there for a while... ACCOUNT GROUP === We also have a new account group in the Fedora Account system: 'designteam.' I am not sure the best way to proceed populating this group. We could add all users in the art group now to the design group, or we could take the opportunity to filter out inactive members. The reason a new account group was created is the final and I think the most exciting piece of news here. I am for the opportunity of filtering inactive members: the number of group members is huge but very few are active contributors. SHARED FILE STORAGE Seth Vidal set up a shared directory for us on fedorapeople.org: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/ I've started populating it with a lot of the Fedora art and design work I have on my systems. Here's the really cool thing about this: If you go to Places on your gnome-panel, and click on 'Connect to server...' and connect to fedorapeople.org, putting in directory: /srv/groups/designteam, then you can open up a nautilus window to browse and drag drop files to and from this shared directory. This means rather than painfully uploading your work file-by-file to the wiki, you can just drag and drop files in batches to the shared directory and link to the top level or individual files from the wiki. I think in time we will figure out some ways to make best use of this shared space. To be able to mount the directory read/write for the drag drop access though, you'll need to be added to the design-team group in FAS. Since we are not sure yet what our policy will be for migrating from the old art FAS group to the new design team group, I can add folks one-off individually to the design team group if you contact me or Nicu. I'll only add people who request membership to the design-team group who are already in the art group to be fair. As said above, I am for manual migration of users to the new group. As we don't have versioning, history or a self-made backup, edit notifications and such, should we tighten the rules for membership in this group? (we are a rm -rf away from massive data loss). I am hoping folks will use the shared directory rather than their private fedora people spaces to upload and share their files. This way, other folks on the design team can collaborate and upload their improvements and remixes to the same place so we don't have files for the same project all over the place. It should also make it easier not just to upload lots of files, but also to download them in batches. Still thinking about the directory structure and if it would be useful or not to have user directories inside this shared storage. Any thoughts, questions, concerns? I am surprised you have not also blogged about this rebranding, I think it is informative for the larger community. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
Nicu Buculei wrote: I am for the opportunity of filtering inactive members: the number of group members is huge but very few are active contributors. As an inactive art member (joined with hight hopes but got sidetracked with school). I have no problem bee filtered out of art. But, if times becomes available in three or four years, would like the opportunity to re-apply. Hopefully with a better oss portfolio. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
- Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hrm, is there any point in subscribing myself, or should I just wait until you transfer my subscription? Noppers, I'll handle the subscriptions so no need to do anything except potentially update your server and/or client side mail filtering to account for the change. I've been there a few times, but since most conversations seem to happen on #fedora-art... Well, at least I have it in my favourited rooms in empathy. I'm hoping if more folks lurk in there more stuff will happen in there :) Whoa, this one is probably the best of all the changes :-) Just our of curiosity: what is our disk quota there? Hehe, I don't know but I already hit it and Seth had to up us again. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
- Original Message From: Max Spevack mspev...@redhat.com For me, the most common use case of the work the design team does is I want to just browse around and see what cool stuff people have made that I might want to mass produce and it's always been hard, since stuff has seemed to exist in 4 or 5 locations. Yep yep! I'm hoping this will become the canonical single location: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/ ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:24:58PM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi folks, As discussed some time ago [1], we are going to rebrand ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team, both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI design will know where to go. Well, for roundabout reasons (getting fed up with our limited ability to collaborate on files, more later in this email) I finally got around to starting this process. Mo, this is fantastic news! This also will help to clarify the boundaries and shared work with the Websites team, I think. This team already has skills beyond just making beautiful art. And a Design team is the perfect way to start attracting people who can help us with workflow issues on our websites, the upcoming Fedora Community, and so forth. I'd love some ideas on where we could start planting some seeds of information in free-culture type design communities, where people might be willing to come and use open processes and free tools to create great new design and user experiences around Fedora. MAILING LIST === We have a new mailing list, now hosted on Fedora's infrastructure: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team Unless there are any objections, I'm going to migrate all subscribers of fedora-art-list to the new design-team list and unsubscribe them from the old art list. I am not sure if there is a better approach. What do you think? I can also try to have a redirect put into place so mails to fedora-art-list@redhat.com are forwarded to design-t...@lists.fedoraproject.org. Additionally, I plan to add some information on the old fedora-art-list list info page to redirect users to the design-team list info page. +1 [...snip...] IRC CHANNEL We've had #fedora-design open for a while in freenode, but only a few of us have been in there, please join us in there if you like! +1, done! ACCOUNT GROUP === We also have a new account group in the Fedora Account system: 'designteam.' I am not sure the best way to proceed populating this group. We could add all users in the art group now to the design group, or we could take the opportunity to filter out inactive members. The reason a new account group was created is the final and I think the most exciting piece of news here. Do you think it's worthwhile to have a Trac instance for the team? I know that many other groups use that as a low-drag queue system. We don't want so much geekiness that it turns off designers. On the other hand, many Fedora groups have a Trac to do queue-type things, and in general it's been found to be easy, flexible, and low-drag. Certainly it beats editing a gigantic wiki page! The combination of this plus a place where we can drop things and paste URLs (like below!) would help speed things up immensely, I think. I can drop this idea on the new design-team list if this doesn't carry over there. Also, I am willing to do the request with the admins, make sure it's working, and reconfigure it to match what we think we need for this team. (I say we here a little loosely because I know I'm not much of an artist or designer, but I do like interacting with people here so I hope no one minds.) :-) So if people +1 this, I have the ball for those tasks. SHARED FILE STORAGE Seth Vidal set up a shared directory for us on fedorapeople.org: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/ Love, love, LOVE IT! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
