On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 07:51 -1000, David Cantrell wrote:
I was using 'unused-patches' until the packaging guidelines had us change
Patch lines to use %{name} if that applied. The unused-patches target would
be helpful if it could expand RPM macros.
That's a guideline worth ignoring.
If I'm
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote:
I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever
steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell
window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take
keyboard focus away from that
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote:
On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote:
PGA.
Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in
one evo window, and evo opened a new window for me to compose into. Get
it? I typed into one window
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com):
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote:
I'd go with don't let a different app steal focus. Windows for the
same currently focused app are allowed to. This works pretty well
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:35 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com):
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus. Makes
for an easy algorithm. (hitting r in mutt is not a problem
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 13:27 -0500, Fulko Hew wrote:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
There is no case where _you_ want this, sure.
I'd say... only take focus if its a child/creation of the window
currently in focus.
creation of is not something
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 20:22 +0200, Adrian wrote:
Hi,
A news of a new calculation of PI is on the net. Should we digg
(http://digg.com/d31EgvV) the article in order to promote the fact that
the author used Fedora 10 for he's success ?
This sounds like a question about Fedora advocacy, not
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 12:19 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Information:
At close of voting there were:
216 valid ballots
Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a
maximum of 864 votes (4*216).
Results:
1. Adam Jackson (ajax) 1028
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 20:26 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
For libguestfs [RHBZ#547496] I want to add some extra 'Requires'
dependencies by running a shell script over a particular file that
gets generated during the build.
What's the best way, or a way, to do this?
It's... not easy. You
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 17:14 -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
On 12/11/2009 02:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 08:57 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
File a bug please, attaching your xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log and output of
the dmesg command (all from inside of VB virtual machine, of
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:01 +, Ikem Krueger wrote:
Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as
part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the
other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever
come out of Ubuntu
On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 19:34 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
As part of our ever vigilant stance towards security around our
packaging process, we have added a new feature to upload.cgi (which
accepts file uploads into the lookaside cache) which will email the
package owner
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:01 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help
Let's see if I can summarize this article:
- we're getting too many bugs
- more testing will find more bugs
- therefore we should test more so we have fewer
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 13:50 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
syslinux would need to be able to detect the arch to install and likely also
have a flag to force 32 bit we could easily implement the 64 bit kernel and
32
bit userland idea that was put forward a few releases ago. pungi will need
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 15:25 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
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While working on Flash development in Windows XP TabletPC, I noticed the
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display the right-click mouse delay. I
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 19:21 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
So,
since I've already received 3 separate bug reports caused by BadIDChoice
X Error in subtitleeditor [1][2][3] (haven't had enough time to debug
and try to fix it yet though) by abrt, I wonder if there is any room for
duplicity
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
Fedora.
What's wrong with proving
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 16:00 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com writes:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:58 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
Hey folks,
I put together this list for things I'd like to work on for f13. It's a
list of packages with a file-requires that falls outside of *bin/* and
/etc/* and then the provider(s) for those files.
Author: ajax
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Image-Info/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv19121
Modified Files:
perl-Image-Info.spec
Log Message:
* Mon Nov 09 2009 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 1.28-5
- Requires: rgb, not Requires: /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt
Index
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 08:38 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
I have three applications that fundamentally fail to work
if mmap(0,PAGE_SIZE,,MAP_FIXED,,) is disallowed. Addressing
memory at address 0 is fundamental to the way that they work.
Using any other page would totally prevent two of the apps
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 23:34 +0100, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 05:15:50PM -0500, Bryan Kearney wrote:
Word of warning.. I am no too familiar with C across platforms. I am
trying to package ruby-ffi (spec file is at [1]) and when I do a scratch
build in Koji [2] it runs
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:31 +, Mike Cloaked wrote:
For people running wine or Crossover and using MS Office 2003 and related
codes
it is necessary to do:
# setsebool -P allow_unconfined_mmap_low 1
To prevent AVC denials.
However there is recent publicity at
On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 09:25 +0100, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
2009/10/31 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to:
I am working on packaging pagedgeometry and I noticed that when building
on gcc it passes -msse which I am guessing says to use sse instructions.
I think that even in F12 we can't assume
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:49 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:43:30 -0500, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
Strictly, this is not true. Newer binutils has a feature called
indirect functions that lets you do (logically, this is not what the
syntax actually
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 18:16 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote:
Dne 2.11.2009 17:31, Kevin Kofler napsal:
Ankur Sinha wrote:
wodim is completely unmaintained since May 6th 2007, don't
expect to see any fixes anytime soon as long as Redhat
continues to distribute wodim instead of the original
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 10:41 +0100, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
2009/10/28 Linus Walleij linus.ml.wall...@gmail.com:
Just a quick question for those who know:
The shared libs from libgcc: /lib/libgcc*so* are not required by
anything:
[r...@localhost ~]# rpm -q --whatrequires
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 12:40 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Id like to get some feedback on the patches that i'm proposing for F-13.
quite a few packages that need to deal with differences between 32bit/64bit
or
multilib arches have defines for the appropriate arches. sometimes
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 20:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/26/2009 08:15 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 19:07 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/26/2009 07:03 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 21:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I meant performance, primarily
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 20:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/26/2009 08:21 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
Which affects who? koji certainly seems to be keeping up with the load.
What I'm trying to pry out of you is what you'd be hoping to accomplish
by using it. The answer so far seems
I don't really want to revive the thread about automake 1.11, but I do
want to point out that it did break actual buildability:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1761549name=build.log
Please, people. Don't update things in stable releases just for fun.
Particularly if your
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 16:30 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Jackson wrote:
I don't really want to revive the thread about automake 1.11, but I do
want to point out that it did break actual buildability:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1761549name
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 23:56 -0400, James Antill wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 09:19 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
The thing with doing updates for F11 is the regression rate due to
lack of QA, I put Mesa packages into updates-testing that fixed a
lot of r300/r500 bugs back at the start of F11
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:04 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
-BuildRequires: pkgconfig
-BuildRequires: libX11-devel
-BuildRequires: libXext-devel
+BuildRequires: pkgconfig(xext)
%description
X-Resource is an extension that allows a client to query
@@ -21,7 +19,6 @@ the X server about
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:18 +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
-# needed by xt.pc
-Requires: xorg-x11-proto-devel
-Requires: libX11-devel
-Requires: libSM-devel
-
I am confused here. Why this is removed? I still see xt.pc needs
those Requires.
Because rpm is smart enough to figure that
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 10:32 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
If all Fedora releases have the autoprovides but EL-5 is still
affected, the
draft can be as simple as: rpm detects pkgconfig dependencies in all
Fedora
releases, please move the pkgconfig requires from [LINK] to the EPEL
specific
On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 10:44 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 03:15:06PM +0100, Terry Barnaby wrote:
A new release of drm/mesa/xf86-video-ati/Xserver code for F11 based on the
new 1.7 XServer and 7.6 mesa would be very useful.
No, not really.
I understand that changing
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 17:13 +0200, Joshua C. wrote:
I have a problem with my xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.4-0.1.fc11.x86_64. I
read the instructions here
http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging but
this didin't help. My Xserver goes in an infinite loop and starts
consuming
On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 19:19 +0200, Joshua C. wrote:
(gdb) bt
#0 0x003cc3cd70b3 in __select_nocancel () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1 0x004e615a in WaitForSomething (
pClientsReady=value optimized out) at WaitFor.c:228
#2 0x00446ef2 in Dispatch () at dispatch.c:386
#3
On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 09:46 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
In comps.xml there's a Core group which I think is a minimal set of
packages that always get installed by Anaconda (maybe I'm wrong about
that).
Is there a group for packages that always get installed, but only
inside virtual
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 14:45 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
If you have a machine with an Intel graphics chip, I need your help.
I'm trying to make LVDS connection detection actually reliable, and I
think I have a solution that involves parsing BIOS data tables. But I
need more testcases to raise
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:29 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote:
I've had a problem with X in f12 or some time that sees the mouse
pointer freezing. I'm now having the same issue in f11.
I'm happy to file a bug in bugzilla, but I'm hoping someone mught be
able to point me in the right direction.
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 13:44 +0200, Josephine Tannhäuser wrote:
Hey,
I googled for it and found Karims blogpost and Simon aka kassamedias
answer (comment 3)
http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/
If we _really_ cared about doing this OAOO, we could
In attempting to document how displays are expected to work in F12 [1],
I realized we still don't have a decent heuristic for some cases.
Broadly, displays are either fixed-format or variable-format. FF means
you have some set number of pixels, like an LCD. VF means you don't,
like a CRT.
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 10:48 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I know that, in the dinosaur days of CRT, I could 'see' flicker (and get
flicker-generated headaches) at anything under 80Hz, and I know there
are even more sensitive people than that. So 72Hz may be a bit of a low
'safe refresh rate'
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 07:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
The packaging style in the nss-softokn package continues to bug me.
There are RPM triggers being used to install/remove a prelink config file
whenever the prelink package gets installed/removed. According to a comment
in the spec
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 11:02 +, Rawhide Report wrote:
redhat-lsb-3.2-5.fc12.i686 requires /usr/bin/[
This appears to be a bug in the report script? [ definitely exists in
coreutils-7.5-3.fc12.
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On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 11:10 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
On 09/01/2009 09:34 AM, Adam Jackson wrote:
rpm could start refcounting directories any day now and that'd be just
fine.
Is there an open trac ticket on this issue with the RPM upstream?
Not that I can see. I had assumed
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 12:36 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote:
I'm trying to debug a stack smash in of the hdf test programs but am
having a hard time tracking down exactly where the smash happens. Is
there any way to watch the guard variable with gdb to find exactly when
it happens? Something
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 13:36 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
On 08/27/2009 01:21 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
What is the policy regarding deletion of individual entries in the
middle of %changelog?
A developer added a %changelog entry to each of my cloud daemons'
packages, on the main
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 15:39 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:10:59 -0400, you wrote:
238 Can libvdpau go in Fedora?
As far I understand this package itself is open source but has a
dependency to the properitary nVidia video driver which is
provides by rpmfusion.org.
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:26 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
- From my point of view. This cases demostrate, that we need a
clarification about the requirements which a package has to fullfill
for inclusssion into Fedora.
I don't disagree, but...
Package which are only useable if you have
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 07:12 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Adam Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:40 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Since pygtk2 does actually use numpy, isn't d) the best (albeit most
annoying) option?
Internally? Or just to implement that one entrypoint? I believe
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 10:05 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Adam Jackson wrote:
The question is only whether to keep the 'Requires: numpy' in pygtk2 or
to push it out to apps that use get_pixels_array(). And I think the
latter sounds just fine to me.
That's fine with me, assuming there's a way
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 12:05 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On 08/10/2009 12:36 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
pygtk2 implements a function called gtk.gdk.get_pixels_array(), which
returns the pixel contents of a GDK pixbuf as a numpy array. Fine and
dandy, but this means it links against numpy (7
pygtk2 implements a function called gtk.gdk.get_pixels_array(), which
returns the pixel contents of a GDK pixbuf as a numpy array. Fine and
dandy, but this means it links against numpy (7 megs) which is itself
linked against atlas (12 megs). Kind of a lot for a single function,
especially on a
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:15 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DisplayPort
I updated this a few days ago. I guess it's still not good enough to be
called a feature? I really don't know how much more testing
instructions I need to provide, and it seems
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 05:04 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 01:36 -0400, Ben Boeckel wrote:
Could permissions be raised temporarily? PolicyKit with
(defaulted) auto-approve to load an appropriate driver?
Maybe we could do something with SELinux, but I don't think
we can do
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:50 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
Quoting Dave Airlie (airl...@redhat.com):
Maybe we could do something with SELinux, but I don't think
we can do anything without getting revoke. or maybe some
process capabilties if such things worked.
The non-kms drivers could
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:51 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
2 - My mouse was not detected at all during install. Or at least, I
never saw the mouse arrow during it. Had to use keyboard the whole
time.
Pretty sure this is an anaconda glitch. X doesn't show a cursor until
you define one. I'll
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:03 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I remember seeing a recent announcement from the X guys that henceforth,
X will be defaulting to side-by-side mode on systems with multiple
displays, rather than clone mode.
I just realized this may have implications for anaconda. Is
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 14:19 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote:
Possibly off topic, I've had issues with certain apps (totem comes to
mind) not going full-screen on the screen I want them to. Is this
another outstanding issue?
It's an app issue, but sure.
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On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 13:55 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
The KDE SIG is now working on KDE-4.3.0-related builds for Fedora 10 and
11 candidate updates. As this requires some buildroot overrides, if your
package uses KDE libraries, it may inadvertently build against KDE 4.3.0
libraries and may,
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 11:13 +, Rawhide Report wrote:
xorg-x11-server-1.6.99-21.20090724.fc12
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* Tue Jul 28 2009 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 1.6.99-19.20090724
- xserver-1.6.99-randr-error-debugging.patch: Dump RANDR protocol errors
to the log
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:39 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 07/29/2009 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote:
That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools in your
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:25 +1000, James Morris wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Steve Grubb wrote:
The basic idea goes something like this: We would like to do something to
prevent priv escalation for processes running as root. For this example,
lets
take cupsd to be a good case in point.
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote:
http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx
Oh poo, and what's the difference? None. None whatsoever but more marketing.
You can't
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 14:27 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
Not answering Ajax's question specifically, but this looks a bit iffy:
If you file, maintain, or voluntarily participate in a patent
infringement lawsuit against a Microsoft implementation of any Covered
Specification, then this
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 16:06 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote:
Unfortunately the patent promise covers more things than just C# / CLI
patents.
And it seems like you're going to lose the whole promise when you just
sue them over one specification in there, e.g. the XPS specification.
Maybe that's
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 21:11 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote:
The promise makes quite sure to tell you you
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 18:50 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Richard W.M. Jones writes:
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
What line number changes? You cut a patch against configure, and you're
done. That's it.
And you get a big patch containing line
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 14:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
How exactly would that violate the GPL?
You aren't patching the actual source code.
Assuming GPLv2, the term in the license that you're referring to is
preferred form. There is clearly some difference of opinion
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:53 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
So, the choices are, once it's identified where configure goes wrong are:
1) Fix the configure script, with shellcode whose contents are well
understood
2) Patch configure.ac, and feed it to a code generator that spits out a
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 15:02 -0400, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
Hi,
For a few days now updating rawhide doesn't work, because it misses a
dependency:
kdebase-workspace-4.2.95-3.fc12.i586 from rawhide has depsolving problems
-- Missing Dependency: libxklavier.so.12 is needed by package
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:51 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
yum install system-autodeath
That just turns off networking (so then how do you preupgrade from there?
And it lets people keep running their obsolete stuff forever in their
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 13:42 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:
Fedora's deployment of that work, however, is another matter. Does
Fedora offer a variety of environments with a set of common features
and infrastructure, or is it one functional desktop and one use at
your own risk desktop?
Strictly,
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
well as being able to support EFI
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:18 +, Kristaps Viesalgs wrote:
Hi!
Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
reference design). Default driver \openchrome\ because of
unsupported vx800 can\'t do
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:18 +, Kristaps Viesalgs wrote:
Hi!
Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
reference design). Default
freetype1 is gone from F12. Nobody's currently using it, and more
importantly nobody ought to be, anywhere, ever.
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