Re: Why a multilib wrapper for non-multilib architectures?!

2009-06-14 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:57 +0200, Robert Scheck wrote: > Hello everbody, > > can somebody please explain me, why we've multilib wrappers for packages > at non-multilib architectures such as arm, alpha, ia64 and sh? > > - http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/gmp/gmp-mparam.h?view=co > - >

Re: ruby-sqlite3 conflicts with rubygem-sqlite3-ruby

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:37:14 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > Michael Schwendt wrote, at 06/15/2009 03:52 AM +9:00: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472621 >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472622 >> >> Reported in Nov 2008. >> >> Is it really that difficult to fix it? >> No, but I have not had the ti

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:20:09 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:37:41 -0700, Jesse Keating > wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 03:30 -0500, King InuYasha wrote: >>> A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would >>> basically >>> require extracting the wh

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:34:37 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 17:54 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> >> If Fedora Unity's motivation to continue a service to the community -at >> it's own expense, not yours- is holding you and the other teams hostage, >> call S.W.A.T. > >

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/15/2009 11:15 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > > The only counterpoint I came up with was that of folks in parts of the > world who don't have access to modern hardware and don't have broadband. Yes but they prefer Live CD or regular DVD images usually. Magazines tend to distribute DVD image. Conf

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 00:24 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:09:52AM -0400, James Antill wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. > > > http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Matt Domsch
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:09:52AM -0400, James Antill wrote: > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. > > http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to help > > illustrate.) > > > > CDs are Dead. Long live CDs. >

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread James Antill
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. > http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to help > illustrate.) > > CDs are Dead. Long live CDs. > > I was running some stats on the Fedora 11 release, and an interesting

Re: ruby-sqlite3 conflicts with rubygem-sqlite3-ruby

2009-06-14 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Michael Schwendt wrote, at 06/15/2009 03:52 AM +9:00: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472621 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472622 Reported in Nov 2008. Is it really that difficult to fix it? Well, actually these two packages are _the same_ (currently versions of rpms on Fedora are different, howev

Re: Why a multilib wrapper for non-multilib architectures?!

2009-06-14 Thread Eric Sandeen
Rex Dieter wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > >> Personally I don't use multilib wrappers on arches that don't need it; >> I think not needing extra cases in the wrapper header outweighs the >> added complexity in the specfile. But I'm not going to tell the gmp >> maintainer he's wrong for doing it the o

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jeremy Katz said: > See the livecd-iso-to-pxeboot script, although it does place some > (somewhat) different requirements on things. AFAIK livecd-iso-to-pxeboot is useless for 32 bit, at least for the standard Fedora LiveCD images. I think the kernel will only use an initrd tha

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > > > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first f

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mike McGrath
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features > > > most people disable. > > > > False. > > > >

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Sunday, June 14 2009, Jens Petersen said: > - "Bill Nottingham" wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin > > > > My one concern with this is that the conditional stuff is also used > > on the compose side when making LiveCDs, etc. We need to make sure that >

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Sunday, June 14 2009, King InuYasha said: > Also, maybe we should support PXE/network booting the Live version from > mirrors or whatever with the advent of netbooks and other computers without > an optical drive. While doing it via USB is preferable, it is not always > possible. For example I h

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Saturday, June 13 2009, Jussi Lehtola said: > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 11:12 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 07:04:12PM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote: > > > Hmm, I'd want netboot.img back, since I normally use a USB stick to > > > start the network install (OK, there is the possi

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:23 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > I haven't done a graphical root login in the past 10 years probably and > > on multiple distribution. Graphical root login is meaningless. > > > Let me ask you a question as an example

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-14 Thread Jens Petersen
- "Bill Nottingham" wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin > > My one concern with this is that the conditional stuff is also used > on the compose side when making LiveCDs, etc. We need to make sure that > still works somehow. Right. (Though since F11 we have

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 15:11 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:45:09AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods > > > I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, > > > but shouldn't *client* work eve

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 16:11, Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular > > sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since > > about 10 years no

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Guido Grazioli
> That said, I agree the wheel group should be enabled with sudo, though > I disagree that the initial install user should be automatically added > to it. > > But then again, I hate sudo :P I do most scripting that requires root > access via root logins directly with ssh and keys. i completely ag

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular > sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since > about 10 years now? Somehow I have serious doubts about the validity > of the smolt data. You mi

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread James Morris
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular > sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since > about 10 years now? Somehow I have serious doubts about the validity > of the smolt data. I've previously a

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features > > most people disable. > > False. > > Most people leave SELinux enabled, according to the smolt stats

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread James Morris
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features > most people disable. False. Most people leave SELinux enabled, according to the smolt stats which have been collecting since the F8 era. > Fedora is the only big distro that

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > I haven't done a graphical root login in the past 10 years probably and > on multiple distribution. Graphical root login is meaningless. Let me ask you a question as an example to better define the expectation on behavior that people have on wh

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Leszek Matok writes: >> a false feeling that the "non-privileged" account doesn't need the same >> level of protection as the root account needs. > The feeling isn't false - overtaking a root-run program is potentially more > harmful to the system, other users and everyone in sight (root can har

Re: bind-chroot in F11

2009-06-14 Thread mike cloaked
Mike Cloaked wrote: >In F11 the contents contain >/var/named/chroot and within this directory are >/dev containing file null, random and zero >and /etc containing file localtime >and nothing else. This is surely a packing error since the bind-chroot package should install the proper chrooted direc

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread King InuYasha
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:30, King InuYasha wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Bradley Baetz < > bba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 14/06/09 04:53, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: >> >>> >>> - "Frank Murphy"< frankl...@gmail.com> wr

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Richard Fearn writes: >> Who says the first created user is root-equivalent? > > It wouldn't be root-equivalent. You have to explicitly use sudo, and > enter your password when you do use it. It's not the same as a root > prompt. It is from a security person POV. If an attacker compromises your

Breaking API for python-decorator in Fedora 11

2009-06-14 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
I'm planning on updating the python-decorator package from 2.3.x to 3.0.x. This update breaks API in: 1) Some python-2.6 specific functionality 2) Some seldom used idioms. This update is necessary for python-repoze-what-pylons: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499486 a component of

One week left for voting

2009-06-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
There's approximately one week left to vote in the combined Fedora elections. To cast your vote, visit: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting For more information on the specific elections, visit this thread in the archives for the fedora-advisory-board list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fe

Fedora 11 Retrospective Happens Tuesday June 16, 2009 at 14:00 UTC (10 AM EDT)

2009-06-14 Thread John Poelstra
Have you ever wanted to give your perspective on how well the Fedora development and release process works, but weren't sure where to do it? Now you have the perfect opportunity! For Fedora 11 we are having a project wide conference all to reflect on the good and not so good parts of the Fedo

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said: > If there are those that require split media, I'd much prefer that we as > a project produce and test the split media as part of our normal > development cycle, and not do it as some after thought after it's too > late to fix any problems found. I agree with

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 18:20 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > If the Fedora Project considers to no longer release split CD media, would > the Fedora Project then also consider allowing Fedora Unity (members) to > continue servicing those that request or even require split CD media? If > that is t

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 17:54 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > If Fedora Unity's motivation to continue a service to the community -at > it's own expense, not yours- is holding you and the other teams hostage, > call S.W.A.T. If it was just Fedora Unity's expense that'd be one thing. But it's

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Leszek Matok
Dnia 2009-06-14, o godz. 22:12:47 Krzysztof Halasa napisał(a): > a false feeling that the "non-privileged" account doesn't need the same > level of protection as the root account needs. The feeling isn't false - overtaking a root-run program is potentially more harmful to the system, other users

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
> Who says the first created user is root-equivalent? It wouldn't be root-equivalent. You have to explicitly use sudo, and enter your password when you do use it. It's not the same as a root prompt. In any case, I like Mathieu Bridon's idea of having a firstboot option. Rich -- fedora-devel-li

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 05:45:43PM +1000, Michael Fleming wrote: > Ich bin ein secure user and you should be too. Logging in as root into > X directly (or the console for that matter) is a *bad idea*. Erm, logging as root on the console is a bad idea? _You've_ obviously not got any machines runni

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
> I didn't say the wheel group was a nonsense or a problem. I was > responding to Richard who wanted the line to be uncommented (harmless > per se) AND the first user to be added to the wheel group by default. I've since changed my mind :-) > For example, a « add to the wheel group » checkbox in

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
inode0 writes: > Actually, I am strongly against the way Fedora forces the creation of > the first user without allowing the admin to set the uid/gid of the > user. That is a different annoying issue. Hmm... Does it? I installed F11 (i386, with netinstall) recently and it didn't create "normal"

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Richard Fearn writes: > But wouldn't it be nice if this line was uncommented by default, and > firstboot added the first user to this group automatically? Who says the first created user is root-equivalent? -- Krzysztof Halasa -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com htt

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Michael Fleming writes: > With the likes of sudo / ConsoleKit / console-helper et. al you should > never, ever need to run an extended session as root. Your day-to-day > work can be done perfectly well as a standard non-privileged user, the > applications that *need* root, especially in X, are ho

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Jos Vos
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:30:41PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I keep wondering if we couldn't come up with something > like a /etc/iptables.d/ type setup somehow that would work for these > cases. > > In the case of a package that does not need any configuration done and > only needs a firewall

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/15/2009 01:01 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> * some people dislike questions like "do you prefer Gnome or KDE" that >> are/should be mostly irrelevant for Fedora as whole and the position the >> candidate is nominated for > > It's pretty much relevant, we don't want GN

Re: No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers

2009-06-14 Thread Ahmed Kamal
> > If you don't want to use gnome-bluetooth and how it integrates with > all other software and automates things then don't use it. Nobody > forces you. > I didn't even mean using BT for any audio related tasks. I basically use BT to transfer files back and forth from my cell phone. And gnome-blu

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 14 juin 2009 à 20:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > I still think that the current firewall situation on Fedora is pretty > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features > most people disable. For the people I know disabling the firewall is very low under

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 14 juin 2009 à 12:30 -0600, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > In the case of a package that does not need any configuration done and > only needs a firewall rule to function, we could add a file in there to > add it's rule. Anything that does not include a way to signal the admin a hole was ju

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2009/6/14 Richard Fearn : >> # grep -n wheel /etc/sudoers >> 81:## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands >> 82:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       ALL >> 85:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL >> >> All you have to do is uncomment one line ;) > > That's exactly what I do, followed by: >

Re: No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 22:25, Ahmed Kamal (email.ahmedka...@googlemail.com) wrote: > Hi fedorians, > > Having spent more than a day trying to get Skype working smoothly with PA, > and failing (cranky sound, or 100% CPU usage). Now I know Skype is closed > crap that is using deprecated apis and it along

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread David
On 6/13/2009 10:19 PM, Charles Butterfield wrote: > Okay, so I mostly love Fedora. However, here are 4 things that got by > blood really, really boiling, so I thought I’d share my emotions. They > are mostly policy issues, where I think you have gotten it very very wrong. > > > > Just install

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > * some people dislike questions like "do you prefer Gnome or KDE" that > are/should be mostly irrelevant for Fedora as whole and the position the > candidate is nominated for It's pretty much relevant, we don't want GNOME bias all over the Fedora governing bodies. For so

No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers

2009-06-14 Thread Ahmed Kamal
Hi fedorians, Having spent more than a day trying to get Skype working smoothly with PA, and failing (cranky sound, or 100% CPU usage). Now I know Skype is closed crap that is using deprecated apis and it along with flash should be sentenced to software hell, but at the end of the day I need to us

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 15:09, Chuck Anderson (c...@wpi.edu) wrote: > > > I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have > > > several network services that are either installed by default or > > > might be expected to be part of a standard setup, but which don't > > > work because of the

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:45:09AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods > > I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, > > but shouldn't *client* work even behind closed firewall (like with any > > other services like s

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 14:01, Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 20:08:31 +0200, > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > enabled by default, like we currently do. If an application cannot be > > trusted then it should not be allowed to listen on a port by default > > in

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:30:41PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 06:13:51PM +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: > > > > > So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that > > > the error message wi

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 20:08:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > enabled by default, like we currently do. If an application cannot be > trusted then it should not be allowed to listen on a port by default > in the first place. A firewall is an extra layer of security that > simply hides t

Samba browsing [was: What I HATE about F11]

2009-06-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:35:53AM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods > I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, > but shouldn't *client* work even behind closed firewall (like with any > other services like ssh,

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-14 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Hi! Sorry, late answer: On 05.06.2009 21:28, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:04:08PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Sorry, was a bit busy over the past few days and didn't get around to >> answer all mails. >> >> On 04.06.2009 00:30, Andreas Thienemann wrote: >>> On Wed, 3

ruby-sqlite3 conflicts with rubygem-sqlite3-ruby

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Schwendt
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472621 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472622 Reported in Nov 2008. Is it really that difficult to fix it? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:08:31 +0200 Lennart Poettering wrote: > Gah. Allowing packages to pierce the firewall just makes the firewall > redundant. > > I still think that the current firewall situation on Fedora is pretty > much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features > mos

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:52:49AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 > > > > I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have > > several network services that are either installed by default or > > might be expected to be part of a standard setup, b

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread inode0
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > That said, I agree the wheel group should be enabled with sudo, though > I disagree that the initial install user should be automatically added > to it. Should sudo be treated in this case any differently than su? I think wheel should be eithe

iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 06:13:51PM +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: > > > So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that > > the error message will not help someone without advanced knowledge. > > Although I think people

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:59:58 +0100 Richard Fearn wrote: > > We have the "wheel" group which would fit the bill. > > Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add > myself to that group. > > Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this > warrants a featu

Re: glibc malloc errors

2009-06-14 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 06/14/2009 08:17 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > running libmicro[1] microbenchmarks, sometimes some of > them broke for no reason. Fedora 11 x86_64 (64-bit) -- «Allá muevan feroz guerra, ciegos reyes por un palmo más de tierra; que yo aquí tengo por mío cuanto abarca el mar bravío, a quien

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 10:52 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 > > > > I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have > > several network services that are either installed by default or > > might be expected to be part of a standard setup, but whic

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:09:19 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 12.06.2009 20:54, Jon Stanley wrote: > > Here's the minutes and IRC log of today's FESCo meeting > > > > Minutes: > > http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html > > Log: > > http://w

glibc malloc errors

2009-06-14 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
hi, running libmicro[1] microbenchmarks, sometimes some of them broke for no reason. running them again with $ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 I got. output: *** glibc detected *** bin/malloc: free(): invalid pointer: 0x01b16e80 *** *** glibc detected *** bin/malloc: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 18:34, Matthew Garrett (m...@redhat.com) wrote: > > So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the > > error message will not help someone without advanced knowledge. Although > > I think people running Samba generally will know where to look for the > > p

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:49:01 +0200 drago01 wrote: > If you need to login as root into X to "set up the system" you are > doing something wrong. yet you may need this to fix some earlier goof. not allowing the root user to do what he wants/needs to do is obnoxious in that sense; when you nee

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a group). However, if w

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 > > I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have > several network services that are either installed by default or > might be expected to be part of a standard setup, but which don't > work because of the default firewall rules. The Anaconda pe

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Charles Butterfield wrote: > >>... > > Does it help if more people (dis)agree? I will add my voice. > > - I like a root login option, especially when first setting > up the system, as it is helpful to do things as root. I > consciously

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Charles Butterfield wrote: >... Does it help if more people (dis)agree? I will add my voice. - I like a root login option, especially when first setting up the system, as it is helpful to do things as root. I consciously choose to use root and realize that I MYSELF could be exposing MY OWN co

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 06:13:51PM +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: > So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the > error message will not help someone without advanced knowledge. Although > I think people running Samba generally will know where to look for the > problem. I

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Julian Aloofi wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 14.06.2009, 17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Bridon > >> Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods > > So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the > error message will not help someone without adva

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
>> The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too >> few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice >> it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line >> and add a user to a group). >> >> However, if we change the default, you have a

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:58:36 + (UTC), "Robert 'Bob' Jensen" wrote: > - "King InuYasha" wrote: > >> A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would >> basically require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating >> new ISOs from that tree. Maybe mirrors could d

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:37:41 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 03:30 -0500, King InuYasha wrote: >> A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would >> basically >> require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from >> that tree. Maybe mir

Re: rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files

2009-06-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Hi, from these tools only Gentoo looks to me to do the right thing - one has to do a 3-files merge. Just having the old modified file and the new unmodified files has no solution how to do the automatic merge = how to get the new configuration file

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Julian Aloofi
Am Sonntag, den 14.06.2009, 17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Bridon > The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too > few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice > it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line > and add a user to a

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:24:24PM +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote: >Are we no longer generating deltarpms in Rawhide? Both the June 13 and >June 14 composes no longer have the drpms directory. No. Bill sent out an email saying they were temporarily turned off because part of the compose involved w

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:52:04 -0700, Jesse wrote: We are chasing a bug in the delta path that is making rawhide take over 24 hours to compose. For now, no deltas. Does the bug affect RPM Fusion, too? is rpmfusion delta'ing 17000 pkgs? If not -

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Jonathan Dieter wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 07:52 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:24, Jonathan Dieter wrote: Are we no longer generating deltarpms in Rawhide? Both the June 13 and June 14 composes no longer have the drpms directory. Because of ban

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 17:10, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) (boche...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > Look at it the other way. > > The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too > few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice > it, and you can correct it in a ver

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:34:19 +, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:53 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: >> >> I appreciate the clarification from you and Matt on the request. As >> you know Jesse my, and Unity's, goal has been for a while has been to >> get Fedora in to the hand

Fwd: google-gadgets

2009-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Original Message Subject: google-gadgets Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:28:52 +0200 From: Eric Tanguy Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Crash bug (#499139) seem

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > However, if we change the default, you have a system that may be > giving too much permissions to some users depending on your taste. And > the worse part is that you (as an admin) might not even know it ! The semantics

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 03:30 -0500, King InuYasha wrote: > A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would basically > require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from > that tree. Maybe mirrors could do it if you want to save space on the main > server or

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 15:59 +0100, Richard Fearn wrote: > > We have the "wheel" group which would fit the bill. > > Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add > myself to that group. > > Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this > warrants a feature

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:53 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > I appreciate the clarification from you and Matt on the request. As > you know Jesse my, and Unity's, goal has been for a while has been to > get Fedora in to the hands of as many people as possible with the > least amount of "pain.

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
> The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too > few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice > it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line > and add a user to a group). > > However, if we change the default, you have a system

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:52:04 -0700, Jesse wrote: > We are chasing a bug in the delta path that is making rawhide take > over 24 hours to compose. For now, no deltas. Does the bug affect RPM Fusion, too? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mai

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On 14/06/09 16:07, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: However I agree with you that samba is always a pain to setup on new systems. I do not hate it, but I wish this had been made easier. Logging into X as root? I can't comment on this as I didn't ever feel the need to do that. I didn't know it was prevented

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
>> We have the "wheel" group which would fit the bill. > > Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add > myself to that group. > > Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this > warrants a feature page or not. It would only involve a change to the > defau

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Charles Butterfield wrote: > Okay, so I mostly love Fedora.  However, here are 4 things that got by blood > really, really boiling, so I thought I’d share my emotions.  They are mostly > policy issues, where I think you have gotten it very very wrong. > Do yoursel

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 07:52 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:24, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > > Are we no longer generating deltarpms in Rawhide? Both the June 13 > > and > > June 14 composes no longer have the drpms directory. > > > > Because of bandwidth issues, on our sc

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
> We have the "wheel" group which would fit the bill. Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add myself to that group. Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this warrants a feature page or not. It would only involve a change to the default sudoers fi

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