Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
2009/11/20 Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com: Jesse Keating wrote: You're making the assumption that the change was made to save space.  It wasn't.  I can't find the original thread right now, but it's part of a cleanup on configuration tools.  Upstream felt it no longer necessary to expose

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-20 Thread Pádraig Brady
Jesse Keating wrote: You're making the assumption that the change was made to save space. It wasn't. I can't find the original thread right now, but it's part of a cleanup on configuration tools. Upstream felt it no longer necessary to expose this Wow. Did they get any estimates on the %

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne 19.11.2009 01:08, Rahul Sundaram napsal(a): On 11/19/2009 05:33 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Wow, so we're going to seriously piss off some significant fraction of the userbase in order to save 59k. Personally, I don't care about most of the random UI changes that get thrown in during every Fedora

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 02:59 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dne 19.11.2009 01:08, Rahul Sundaram napsal(a): On 11/19/2009 05:33 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Wow, so we're going to seriously piss off some significant fraction of the userbase in order to save 59k. Personally, I don't care about most of the random

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Tom Lane
Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org writes: I said, it *will* be an upstream change. Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse is

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 08:31 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Rahul Sundaram writes: I said, it *will* be an upstream change. Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. To be clear, I am not responsible for this change. You are talking

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:03:53PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org writes: On 11/19/2009 05:00 AM, Tom Lane wrote: So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Denis Leroy
On 11/19/2009 04:01 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org writes: I said, it *will* be an upstream change. Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Andre Robatino
If control-center-extra goes away, then install gconf-editor, then under apps-metacity-general, set focus_mode to sloppy. (Thanks to Adam Williamson for pointing this out.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 10:01 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse is wired into the fingertips --- it's not a

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Tom Lane
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 10:01 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse is

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (an...@bwh.harvard.edu) said: If control-center-extra goes away, then install gconf-editor, then under apps-metacity-general, set focus_mode to sloppy. (Thanks to Adam Williamson for pointing this out.) You can do this with gconftool-2, without the need for gconf-editor. Bill

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 11:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Andre Robatino (an...@bwh.harvard.edu) said: If control-center-extra goes away, then install gconf-editor, then under apps-metacity-general, set focus_mode to sloppy. (Thanks to Adam Williamson for pointing this out.) You can do

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Lane wrote: Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse is wired into the fingertips --- it's not a negotiable UI change, it WILL cause

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 10:01 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse is wired into the fingertips --- it's not a

F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Tom Lane
So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can tell it ain't there. What became of gnome-window-properties? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 05:00 AM, Tom Lane wrote: So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can tell it ain't there. What became of gnome-window-properties? # yum install control-center-extra Documented at

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Tom Lane
Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org writes: On 11/19/2009 05:00 AM, Tom Lane wrote: So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can tell it ain't there. What became of gnome-window-properties?

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 05:33 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Wow, so we're going to seriously piss off some significant fraction of the userbase in order to save 59k. Personally, I don't care about most of the random UI changes that get thrown in during every Fedora cycle, but lack of focus follows mouse would

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: What distribution they go to will do the same thing, next cycle considering this will be a upstream change. They could just install the control-center-extra package by default. We (well, our GNOME spin) could, too. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 07:18 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: What distribution they go to will do the same thing, next cycle considering this will be a upstream change. They could just install the control-center-extra package by default. We (well, our GNOME spin) could, too.

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: control-center-extra isn't there in upstream releases of GNOME afaik. So what? Neither is Firefox and it's installed by default in our GNOME spin and many other GNOME-based distros. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/19/2009 07:40 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: control-center-extra isn't there in upstream releases of GNOME afaik. So what? Neither is Firefox and it's installed by default in our GNOME spin and many other GNOME-based distros. You are comparing a entirely different