On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 05:42:42PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
• ocaml-lablgl-0:1.04-2.fc12
— /usr/lib64/ocaml/stublibs/dlltogl.so
This one uses a single reference to glXUseXFont to turn an X core font
into a GL display list.
There is one oblique reference to doing this manually using
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 21:25 -0600, Chris Adams a écrit :
Xaw and core fonts are not something new programs should use, but they
still work. Are they really a significant maintenance issue?
Core fonts are an issue for anyone working on X or Linux fonts. You may
think this year's big X11
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 09:55 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
I don't understand. Emacs uses the fallback for example to display
characters from the Korean KSC charset, in my case using
-daewoo-minco-medium-*-ksc5601.1987-0 fonts. What's the approved way
to do that?
You do it like
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
You do it like everyone else. You pass the codepoints to fontconfig
Emacs does that already AFAIK.
Andreas.
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Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 10:55 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
You do it like everyone else. You pass the codepoints to fontconfig
Emacs does that already AFAIK.
Then it has no actual need to the fallback path. It's probably only
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:11:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi,
• grads grads-0:1.9b4-28.fc12
— /usr/bin/gradsc
— /usr/bin/gradsdods
— /usr/bin/gradshdf
— /usr/bin/gradsnc
— /usr/bin/gxtran
The X core fonts are used to draw custom widgets on the graphs. Maybe
using xft as
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:06:45AM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 10:55 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
You do it like everyone else. You pass the codepoints to fontconfig
Emacs does that already AFAIK.
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 11:09 +0100, Patrice Dumas a écrit :
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:06:45AM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 10:55 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
You do it like everyone else.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:22:40AM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Well in that case you do not include the code for old unices in the
version built for modern unices such as Fedora
It is not always possible to distinguish whether the unix is old or
new at compile time. Maybe the Xft version
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 17:42 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Here is a new filtered list, based on the suggestions I've received
since my first posting. Please tell me if there is still some files that
should not belong here, and why
I should have written that the test used in this
2009/11/13 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net:
• xdvik-0:22.84.14-7.fc12
— /usr/bin/pxdvi-xaw3d
— /usr/bin/xdvi-xaw3d
A more crusty piece of code than xdvi you never did see. It's very
much in bugfix only mode upstream, so I very much doubt upstream, such
as it is, will be moving to
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 18:01 +, Jonathan Underwood a écrit :
2009/11/13 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net:
• xdvik-0:22.84.14-7.fc12
— /usr/bin/pxdvi-xaw3d
— /usr/bin/xdvi-xaw3d
A more crusty piece of code than xdvi you never did see. It's very
much in bugfix
On Friday 13 November 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 11:58 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit :
Nicolas, if possible next time please give the package maintainer
(ie. FAS username) next to each package in the list. Otherwise it's
harder to tell which packages I
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 21:08 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit :
On Friday 13 November 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 13 novembre 2009 à 11:58 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit :
Nicolas, if possible next time please give the package maintainer
(ie. FAS username) next to
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:36:14PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I'm no fan of Python either, but there is a fairly simple JSON API to
the package database. eg:
wget -O ocaml.json
'https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/ocaml?tg_format=json'
which gave me a huge
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:42 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 06:51 +0200, Gilboa Davara a écrit :
I own both icewm and idesk.
As far as I know, both icewm and idesk are linked against xft and should
not default to core fonts. (Unless I completely misunderstanding
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:53:00PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
The right person to ask this would be Behdad, as he's the Fedora/Red
Hat/upstream maintainer of most core components of our current text
stack. IIRC his advice last time I asked the question was to avoid
accessing fontconfig
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:42:12PM +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:53:00PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
The right person to ask this would be Behdad, as he's the Fedora/Red
Hat/upstream maintainer of most core components of our current text
stack. IIRC his advice
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
Fedora.
What's wrong with proving support for core fonts as a fallback? That's
what Emacs is
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
Fedora.
What's wrong with proving
Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com writes:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 16:00 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com writes:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:49:34PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Behdad's advice to me was to use Xft to replace raw X*Font calls in
the example I gave:
http://caml.inria.fr/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ocaml/trunk/otherlibs/graph/text.c?rev=6171view=markup
This is the patch I submitted upstream:
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 13:08 +0200, Gilboa Davara a écrit :
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:42 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 06:51 +0200, Gilboa Davara a écrit :
I own both icewm and idesk.
As far as I know, both icewm and idesk are linked against xft and
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 14:59 +0100, Andreas Schwab a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net writes:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
Fedora.
What's wrong with
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 20:34 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
However please note that even though using xft is less bad than using
core fonts, xft alone is still not a complete text stack.
(I should have written, using xft directly. xft2 uses fontconfig but
direct xft2 access bypasses
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 17:38 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit :
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:49:34PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Behdad's advice to me was to use Xft to replace raw X*Font calls in
the example I gave:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:11:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi,
• cernlib cernlib-0:2006-34.fc12
— /usr/lib64/cernlib/2006/lib/libgrafX11.so.1_gfortran.2006
— /usr/lib64/cernlib/2006/lib/libpacklib-lesstif.so.1_gfortran.2006
—
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 22:47 +0100, Patrice Dumas a écrit :
Hi,
Cernlib is already legacy, so it wouldn't be so bad that the graphical
stuff in cernlib doesn't work. Also it is not clear that it uses that
much directly X, but rather goes through Motif. Maybe Xm* symbols
should not be
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:11:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi,
encoding standards change. Also, few users means we do not install core
font packages by default anymore, so packagers that depend on them but
forgot to mark the deps in their packages will deliver broken packages
to
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:38:26PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 22:47 +0100, Patrice Dumas a écrit :
Going through Motif or another widget lib does not change the problem.
Apps will be affected the same whether they access Core fonts directly
or through a proxy.
Patrice Dumas wrote:
The second part of what I wanted to say is that maybe it is not
really useful to bother apps using legacy Fonts because they use
a given widget library that mandates the use of such fonts
Then they need to be ported to a modern toolkit (by upstream). E.g. Xaw has
long
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said:
Then they need to be ported to a modern toolkit (by upstream). E.g. Xaw has
long stopped being viable. (In fact it was never supposed to be more than an
example.) If there is no upstream, then maybe it's time to retire the
package?
Hi,
It has been plain since 2003¹ our new font access standard would be
fontconfig. Since then most users of the old core fonts X11 backend have
migrated, but there are still a few stragglers.
Unfortunately these stragglers matter. Core fonts were not good in 2003,
and they didn't get any better
On 11/11/2009 01:11 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi,
It has been plain since 2003¹ our new font access standard would be
fontconfig. Since then most users of the old core fonts X11 backend have
migrated, but there are still a few stragglers.
Unfortunately these stragglers matter. Core fonts were
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 13:41 +0100, Hans de Goede a écrit :
It would help tremendously to know how you generated this list of files /
packages which allegedly use Core Fonts, there are quite a few packages of
mine there, but in many cases I have no idea as to why they are here.
Sure,
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 13:50 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 13:41 +0100, Hans de Goede a écrit :
It would help tremendously to know how you generated this list of files /
packages which allegedly use Core Fonts, there are quite a few packages of
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:11:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
• ocaml ocaml-0:3.11.1-0.rc1.2.fc12.1
— /usr/lib64/ocaml/graphics.cmxs
• ocaml ocaml-runtime-0:3.11.1-0.rc1.2.fc12.1
— /usr/lib64/ocaml/stublibs/dllgraphics.so
I guess it falls to me (with Debian folk) to do this one, since
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 13:22 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit :
I guess it falls to me (with Debian folk) to do this one, since
upstream are unlikely to care enough to change this old, working code.
Here is the code at issue:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:53:00PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
If depending on this level of libraries is out of the question for you
I'd advise ripping the text parts from those modules. Text is much more
complex than just drawing a simple form like a triangle, it is getting
more complex
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 13:11:03 +0100,
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or for
Fedora.
Is there any documentation on how to avoid this?
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:01:43AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 13:11:03 +0100,
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 14:32 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit :
I emailed him.
It has to be said that maybe text in the OCaml Graphics module only
works right now for people using fixed in a ISO-8859-1 locale or
whatever [in reality, it works for a whole lot more than that], but
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
Subject: Re: Identifying remaining core font users
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 04:41:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
It seems the people maintaining text libs are not interested in
backends
that fail if you use codepoints outside a specific encoding, or when
you
Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 à 10:00 -0700, Avery, David [DENTK] a
écrit :
I have a bigger problem with this, I use fedora boxes to talk to older
devices (solaris 2.6 and M88KV4 unix machines) that can never be
upgraded to newer X clients. Since the fedora ( or any xorg) servers are
talking to
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:01 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 13:11:03 +0100,
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core font users, and remind
them periodically their core font use is not good for their users or
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:40:26 -0800,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:01 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 13:11:03 +0100,
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Therefore, I'd like to identify remaining core
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:11 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi,
It has been plain since 2003¹ our new font access standard would be
fontconfig. Since then most users of the old core fonts X11 backend have
migrated, but there are still a few stragglers.
Unfortunately these stragglers matter.
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 06:51 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
I own both icewm and idesk.
As far as I know, both icewm and idesk are linked against xft and should
not default to core fonts. (Unless I completely misunderstanding
something...)
- Gilboa
OK. Did some reading. I more-or-less
Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 06:51 +0200, Gilboa Davara a écrit :
I own both icewm and idesk.
As far as I know, both icewm and idesk are linked against xft and should
not default to core fonts. (Unless I completely misunderstanding
something...)
I've been asked to filter out xft matches next
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