Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-08 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 03:59:14PM -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 22:43 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus. Makes for an easy algorithm. (hitting

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread Fulko Hew
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: ... snip ... The problem is that the automatic focus change only when intended by user will never be done 100% correctly. This is just impossible to do. So the actual better user experience case would be to always require

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread Zing
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:58:11 +0100, David Tardon wrote: gconftool-2 -s -t string /apps/metacity/general/focus_new_windows strict thanks for that... To be useful - when that's set, new windows never take focus away from a window that looks like a terminal window. (This is assuming the

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 09:29:55AM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 22:43 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There is no case where I want a new window

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:24:17PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: They do happen to have the same WM_CLASS and WM_CLIENT_LEADER window properties. But that still only addresses automatic focus changes within a single application. Automatic focus changes across apps is probably desirable;

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-07 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:17:45PM +, Zing wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:58:11 +0100, David Tardon wrote: gconftool-2 -s -t string /apps/metacity/general/focus_new_windows strict thanks for that... To be useful - when that's set, new windows never take focus away from a

RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away from that window. Clearly I'm missing something, otherwise we

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Miller
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:00 AM, nodata l...@nodata.co.uk wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 06/01/2010 16:20, Adam Miller a écrit : I'm pretty sure there are a number of window managers that will do this, and metacity might even have this option but just doesn't do it by default. -AdamM If i remember well, focus stealing prevention was a Fedora Core 4/GNOME 2.10 feature (bz

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away from that

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Philip Heron
On 06/01/2010 15:43, Haïkel Guémar wrote: If i remember well, focus stealing prevention was a Fedora Core 4/GNOME 2.10 feature (bz #138453) . I think t's still enabled by default in Metacity, but maybe there are some regressions. Works here, but only if desktop effects are not enabled. -Phil

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Jarod Wilson
On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 06/01/2010 17:19, Philip Heron a écrit : On 06/01/2010 15:43, Haïkel Guémar wrote: If i remember well, focus stealing prevention was a Fedora Core 4/GNOME 2.10 feature (bz #138453) . I think t's still enabled by default in Metacity, but maybe there are some regressions. Works here, but

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:00 AM, nodata l...@nodata.co.uk wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 10:07:58 am Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and evo opened a new window for me to compose into. Get it? I typed into one window, and then

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Matthew Booth
On 06/01/10 17:00, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and evo opened a new window for me to compose into. Get it? I

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:00 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: Now make that work for the (not uncommon) case of clicking a link in evo or control-clicking one in gnome-terminal and expecting firefox to pop forward with that page. That suggestion also fails for the PolicyKit dialog, and anything

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and evo opened a new window for me to compose into.

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Alexander Boström
ons 2010-01-06 klockan 17:38 +0100 skrev Haïkel Guémar: D-E enables either compiz or gnome-shell since F-12, the first one is a different windows manager, the second is based on Mutter a fork of Metacity (therefore, focus stealing prevention should work). I've considered suggesting that

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: I'd go with don't let a different app steal focus. Windows for the same currently focused app are allowed to. This works pretty well

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Fulko Hew
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: I'd go with don't let a different app steal focus. Windows for the

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: I'd go with don't let a different app steal focus. Windows for the same currently focused

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:35:03 -0600 Serge E. Hallyn se...@us.ibm.com wrote: Yes, exactly. You're saying that 1. there are cases where you want a window to pop up 2. it's too complicated to figure out which windows should pop up 3. so windows should always pop up, no point being

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:27:07PM -0500, Fulko Hew wrote: I'd say... only take focus if its a child/creation of the window currently in focus. You don't want ssh passphrase windows to take focus? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Andrew Haley
On 01/06/2010 06:50 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:27:07PM -0500, Fulko Hew wrote: I'd say... only take focus if its a child/creation of the window currently in focus. You don't want ssh passphrase windows to take focus? Hell, no! :-) Andrew. --

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Simo Sorce (sso...@redhat.com): On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:35:03 -0600 Serge E. Hallyn se...@us.ibm.com wrote: Yes, exactly. You're saying that 1. there are cases where you want a window to pop up 2. it's too complicated to figure out which windows should pop up 3. so

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:35 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus. Makes for an easy algorithm. (hitting r in mutt is not a problem

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 13:27 -0500, Fulko Hew wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: There is no case where _you_ want this, sure. I'd say... only take focus if its a child/creation of the window currently in focus. creation of is not something

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:35 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus. Makes for an

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Jarod Wilson
On 1/6/10 1:41 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 17:32 +, Andrew Haley wrote: On 01/06/2010 05:00 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: I'd go with don't let a different app steal focus. Windows for the same currently focused app are

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Peter Jones
On 01/06/2010 01:27 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com mailto:a...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com mailto:a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:24:17PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 13:27 -0500, Fulko Hew wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: There is no case where _you_ want this, sure. I'd say... only take focus if its a child/creation

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Zing
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:53:21 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:00 AM, nodata l...@nodata.co.uk wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Peter Jones
On 01/06/2010 03:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: How about making the gnome-panel give away its focus to the newly created window? Within the gnome-panel, it should be pretty obvious which actions should give away the focus and which should not. I do not know, how easy to implement it is, though.

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
Am 2010-01-06 18:17, schrieb Matthew Booth: On 06/01/10 17:00, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and evo opened a new

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away from that

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:35 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com): There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus. Makes for an easy

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 03:32:26PM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: On 01/06/2010 03:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: How about making the gnome-panel give away its focus to the newly created window? Within the gnome-panel, it should be pretty obvious which actions should give away the focus and which should

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
Am 2010-01-06 21:59, schrieb Owen Taylor: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 22:12 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 03:32:26PM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: On 01/06/2010 03:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: How about making the gnome-panel give away its focus to the newly created window? Within the gnome-panel, it should be pretty obvious

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
nodata writes: Am 2010-01-06 18:17, schrieb Matthew Booth: On 06/01/10 17:00, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 23:04 +, Zing wrote: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:59:14 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There is no case where I want a new window or popup to take focus.  Makes for an easy algorithm.  (hitting r in mutt is not a problem :) There is no case where _you_

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread David Tardon
gconftool-2 -s -t string /apps/metacity/general/focus_new_windows strict To be useful - when that's set, new windows never take focus away from a window that looks like a terminal window. (This is assuming the above opens a new window. If it changes an existing window, then