Re: [fedora-india] IBM and the indian debacle

2009-11-27 Thread Dipanjan Chakraborty
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat 
shekhawat.anir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie
 would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys
 were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs.
 So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all
 know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I
 am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates
 that very philosophy.

 There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC
 (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the
 tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology
 i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are
 in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be
 acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM
 after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon
 will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major
 projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making
 our major projects in TGMC if we want or not.

Yes, TGMC is quite popular. They arrived in our college too (thankfully our
authorities do not encourage database based projects and didn't fall for it)

 The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA
 RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal
 WAS/WAS CE
 DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB

Is it wrong for them to do so? The only reason they are doing this is to
popularise their products and make students acquainted with them.

 and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what
 is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all
 student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :-

 By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program
 the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any
 way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not
 limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the
 entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and
 royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer,
 modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or
 part and in any form without compensation. for a complete set of Terms and
 Conditions [2]

Well, there are lots of other organisations who have similar terms. If one
happens to send in entries to a writing contest of some sort, one will face
similar conditions. Is it not violating intellectual property rights?

  Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to
 you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country.
 And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on
 the other its doing this.

And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in
 jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it
 mandatory for their students to work on it.

 [1]  http://tgmc.in

 [2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8

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Re: [fedora-india] IBM and the indian debacle

2009-11-27 Thread Hirak Sarkar
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat 
shekhawat.anir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie
 would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys
 were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs.
 So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all
 know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I
 am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates
 that very philosophy.

 There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC
 (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the
 tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology
 i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are
 in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be
 acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM
 after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon
 will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major
 projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making
 our major projects in TGMC if we want or not.

 The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA
 RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal
 WAS/WAS CE
 DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB

 and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what
 is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all
 student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :-

 By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program
 the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any
 way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not
 limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the
 entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and
 royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer,
 modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or
 part and in any form without compensation. for a complete set of Terms and
 Conditions [2]

  Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to
 you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country.
 And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on
 the other its doing this.

exactly
 I think many people really don't know the proper meaning of open source




 And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in
 jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it
 mandatory for their students to work on it.

 [1]  http://tgmc.in

 [2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8



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Kalyani Govt. Engg. College
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Re: [fedora-india] IBM and the indian debacle

2009-11-27 Thread Debarshi Ray
    exactly
  I think many people really don't know the proper meaning of open source
 [...]
 Hirak Sarkar
 CSE 3rd year
 Kalyani Govt. Engg. College

Alas! You _still_ do not know how to use email. Stop cross posting on
off topic issues.

Regards,
Debarshi
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