On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 09:27 -0500, Kyle McMartin wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:15:24AM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
> > The fall-out from this going onto the livecd makes me shudder.
> >
>
> Jesse explained this to me,
>
> To clarify: the anaconda installer is i586, and all 3 kernel fla
2009/1/21 Avi Kivity :
> Christopher Brown wrote:
>>
>> May I point out that those that care enough to want PAE usually know
>> how to go about getting it enabled whereas those that have install
>> failure because they're running non-PAE hardware probably wont know
>> how to go about getting it dis
On Wednesday, January 21 2009, Kyle McMartin said:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:15:24AM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
> > The fall-out from this going onto the livecd makes me shudder.
>
> Jesse explained this to me,
>
> To clarify: the anaconda installer is i586, and all 3 kernel flavours
> ar
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:15:24AM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
> The fall-out from this going onto the livecd makes me shudder.
>
Jesse explained this to me,
To clarify: the anaconda installer is i586, and all 3 kernel flavours
are shipped on the disc. I would imagine the livecd is i586 and
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:41:04AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Servers should use x86_64 anyway. But I strongly disagree about
No they shouldn't. They should use PowerPC. Then this whole stupid
argument wouldn't even matter.
/me stops antagonizing people now.
josh
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:15:24AM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
>The original argument that many machines have 4GB of memory is simply
>false. Manufacturers aren't shipping anything more than 2GB on
>desktops at most unless you have oodles of money to throw at a
>Alienware box or something. Sure
Christopher Brown wrote:
May I point out that those that care enough to want PAE usually know
how to go about getting it enabled whereas those that have install
failure because they're running non-PAE hardware probably wont know
how to go about getting it disabled.
You mean, ordinary users d
2009/1/20 Kyle McMartin :
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:06:17AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Eric Paris wrote:
>>> I've got a P3 (Coppermine) with 256M memory running F10. My significant
>>> other took it with her to Antarctica (Well F9 has been to Antarctica but
>>> it'll be F10 in Antarctica next
Kyle McMartin wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 07:28:10PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
Users won't be running yum. They're running that applet thing.
Which just shells out to yum... ;-)
Great, but any 'suggestions' need to find their way to the user.
I'd prefer to do the right thing
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 07:28:10PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Users won't be running yum. They're running that applet thing.
>
Which just shells out to yum... ;-)
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Kyle McMartin wrote:
Look, I'm sorry if I'm just not thinking big picture enough here, but
what exactly is the use case for a PAE kernel these days? The compat
code in x86_64 should be more than good enough for the apps that require
an i686 chroot.
It's certainly very good. I converted my i
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Kyle McMartin wrote:
>> Unless we keep the non-PAE i586 kernel around as a fallback, we're not
>> going to be able to boot on a whole raft of crappy i386 chips (original
>> Pentium M most notably...)
>
> I'm not suggesting dropping non-PAE. Simply defaulting to PAE where
> pos
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:06:17AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Eric Paris wrote:
>> I've got a P3 (Coppermine) with 256M memory running F10. My significant
>> other took it with her to Antarctica (Well F9 has been to Antarctica but
>> it'll be F10 in Antarctica next month). You can only run one ap
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 01:06:17 am Avi Kivity wrote:
> Eric Paris wrote:
> > I've got a P3 (Coppermine) with 256M memory running F10. My significant
> > other took it with her to Antarctica (Well F9 has been to Antarctica but
> > it'll be F10 in Antarctica next month). You can only run one ap
Eric Paris wrote:
I've got a P3 (Coppermine) with 256M memory running F10. My significant
other took it with her to Antarctica (Well F9 has been to Antarctica but
it'll be F10 in Antarctica next month). You can only run one app at a
time and have to be patient, but it's perfectly usable (and no
Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Monday, January 19 2009, Avi Kivity said:
Jeremy Katz wrote:
That said, we currently do install the PAE kernel if you have 4 GB+ of
RAM[1]. Switching to it by default is problematic because then we're
back to using different kernels for different cases
You
Kyle McMartin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:36:08PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
>> Absolutely, I've got a Thinkpad T42 here that does just fine on fedora 10.
>> Unless of course, I try to load a PAE enabled kernel on it.
>>
>> I've not looked into it at all, but this thread got me thinking, is
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 11:24 -0700, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> BTW, does anyone know if the Geode in OLPC XO has PAE?
This is off a C2:
[o...@xo-10-dd-46 ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 5
model : 10
model name : Geode(TM) Integr
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:36:08PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> Absolutely, I've got a Thinkpad T42 here that does just fine on fedora 10.
> Unless of course, I try to load a PAE enabled kernel on it.
>
> I've not looked into it at all, but this thread got me thinking, is there any
> particular rea
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 07:31:12PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Kyle McMartin wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> This probably comes up o
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:24:14AM -0700, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> BTW, does anyone know if the Geode in OLPC XO has PAE?
>
The PAE bit in %cr4 is listed as reserved in the geode databook
the olpc site links to, so my guess is no. :\
regards, Kyle
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:24:14AM -0700, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:31:12 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> > Are Pentium Ms (really the memory that comes with them) actually capable
> > of running recent Fedoras? I'm talking desktop, not
> > I'm-using-my-laptop-as-a-firewal
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:31:12 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Are Pentium Ms (really the memory that comes with them) actually capable
> of running recent Fedoras? I'm talking desktop, not
> I'm-using-my-laptop-as-a-firewall-just-because-I-can.
If only it were laptops. I think they still sell syste
Avi Kivity (a...@redhat.com) said:
> Are Pentium Ms (really the memory that comes with them) actually capable
> of running recent Fedoras? I'm talking desktop, not
> I'm-using-my-laptop-as-a-firewall-just-because-I-can.
Sure, I had a T40 that had 1.5GB of memory in it, and it could have
take
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 19:31 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Kyle McMartin wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >
> >> Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>> > This probably comes
On Monday, January 19 2009, Avi Kivity said:
> Jeremy Katz wrote:
>> That said, we currently do install the PAE kernel if you have 4 GB+ of
>> RAM[1]. Switching to it by default is problematic because then we're
>> back to using different kernels for different cases
>
> You have that now, don't y
Kyle McMartin wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
>
> I'd like to suggest switchi
Jeremy Katz wrote:
That said, we currently do install the PAE kernel if you have 4 GB+ of
RAM[1]. Switching to it by default is problematic because then we're
back to using different kernels for different cases
You have that now, don't you? One case for <4GB and one for >=4GB.
Worse, if yo
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
>
> I'd like to suggest switching the default kernel to -PAE on machines
> that support it, for th
On Monday, January 19 2009, Bill Nottingham said:
> Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
> > >
> > > I'd like to suggest switching the default kernel to -PAE
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
> > >
> > > I'd like to suggest switching the default
Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said:
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
> >
> > I'd like to suggest switching the default kernel to -PAE on machines
> > that support it, for the following reason
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
>
> I'd like to suggest switching the default kernel to -PAE on machines
> that support it, for the following reasons:
>
> - many machines have 4GB+ these days,
This probably comes up once in a while, thought I'd raise it again.
I'd like to suggest switching the default kernel to -PAE on machines
that support it, for the following reasons:
- many machines have 4GB+ these days, even desktops
- NX is only available with -PAE, improves security
- kvm is
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