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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:47, Eric Rostetter wrote:
If Jesse approves, I can put the same notice on the fedoralegacy.org
web site...
Please do.
I copied the wiki text to the website... I'm not happy with the way
it looks, so I'll try
like discussions) and I sure
don't think we should say stuff about the open-core/13-month-extension
and so on that are not yet decided.
Or, maybe I just missed the consensus? Or maybe I missed the principles
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:06:57PM -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
First I would like to say to those who say Fedora Legacy has failed, that
it _did_ work (i.e. didn't fail) for the most critical time period and the
most critical OS version (RHL 7-9, FC1
Quoting Matthew Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:15:51AM -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
My problem has always been I work in University settings where updates only
happen during breaks (Spring break, Summer break, or Winter break). On the
Same here -- except I'm not sure I
the CentOS/RHEL kernel,
then simply install the unsupported kernel to get the firewire support.
Works for me at least (with firewire removable disk drives).
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Of course, I could be completely wrong... :)
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the kernel to not use ISDN. Most people don't need ISDN
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If you want a RHEL type system, why not use a clone like CentOS instead?
It is mucher closer to RHEL than RHL 9 will ever be.
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versions I have access to for
testing.
What say ye??
Sounds good to me.
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there. Plus
of course the asynchronous nature which allows people in all different
time zones to participate, etc.
So I'm not for getting rid of IRC, just for making it an additional option
and not a required option.
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without going through some inbetween releases.
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that was already promised for a release that is already in use).
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it to the list. At least you took and active role
and tried to make things better. More than I can really give myself credit
for really. You've been a great help to the project, at least IMHO.
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ball might have been dropped, or how best to pick it back up.
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with the tool to prepare the update, and do the sign+push.
Is he the only one who can do this stuff? Does he need help?
I honestly think that doing these things is the only way that Legacy will
survive.
I agree with all but dropping RHL 2 months early.
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think he does. A lot of it is a time issue.
Again, could he use help with this? If so, what kind of help?
Even gentle encouragement? Or money? Or coding support? Or documentation
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Quoting Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Friday 20 October 2006 10:52, Eric Rostetter wrote:
You're misunderstanding me; I meant RHL has been the hold-up for
switching to the Extras build infrastructure.
Can't we somehow run the two build systems in parallel? Use the old one
for RHL
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First, my interest doesn't really fit there. It is in testing what is
in updates-testing (which is nothing). If there was something in
updates-testing to test, I would test it and report
it to myself where they belong.
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logs compressed).
Of course, instead of kill -HUP you could use /etc/init.d/httpd or
/usr/sbin/apachectl directly to restart the web server...
Thanks,
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it to only run the script once after rotating all the logs
Thank you for the response, it helps getting another view.
-Joshua
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, as that is the
most likely problem. Once you answer that, we can move on to
other ideas if needed.
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You can pick up the config file from:
http://download.fedoralegacy.org/
This page needs to be updated to reflect FC1 and FC2 being retired...
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You can pick up the config file from:
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Oh, and to add a link to FC4 also :)
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I believe RH9 was retired many ages ago also.
- -James
Nope, see http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ for information on what is and
is not retired by FL (and when RHL 9 will be retired).
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. Existing bugs will be resolved by Dec
31st or never resolved.
I can live with this, if we announce it asap. If we don't get a decision
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FC6 reaches test2 and we get FC4), but give RHL 6~ months to get moved
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Sounds good to me.
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folks. And if those folks are still running RHL at this
time, they are not likely to pay for support or migration services. Hence,
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pam, etc) can come into play that are not immediately obvious.
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releases, we would make
it part of the QA process to try and give a quick documentation of
changes between old version and new version.
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Quoting Michal Jaegermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:29:03PM -0500, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Depends on what transparent means. If you want to be transparent in the
sense of not breaking people's working machines, then no, you should
backport.
When people intimately
is
pushed for more than 6 months. I just want some time to schedule an
upgrade, not an indefinate lifetime.
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the 4 upgrade paths
and what happens in each path documents the path well enough for now.
And since any new updates will probably skip the intermediate package,
this shouldn't be a problem for anyone in the future (I hope).
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on previous updates was missing.
It should have made mention of what would happen in the 4 different cases.
best reg ...
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there wouldn't be a FL Project. And I know he works
very hard on the project, and spends a lot of time on the project,
and at least until very recently when he joined Red Hat all he got
for it was a bunch of hassles.
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documentations and security management.
I would be glad if i am given an opportunity to contribute .
We can use help with documentation. But you may also want to check
out the Fedor Documentation Project (http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/)
if you want to do more...
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serious problems had been through QA and had people test them. One of
the php updates is an example I know of.
Yes, but they often have only a few people testing them, with only one
vote per OS version... Not much QA really...
Marc.
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Quoting Marc Deslauriers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 01:38 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
This is fixed in the package awaiting QA.
I never received an email about any such package...
I didn't know I had to send you one. :)
I guess it is confusing to say awaiting QA since we
Quoting Marc Deslauriers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 01:44 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Quoting Eric Rostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So you have another rh9 machine that still has an old sendmail package
on it?
I think I might have one for immediate access. I might also have
Quoting Michal Jaegermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 10:24:12AM -0500, David Eisner wrote:
Eric Rostetter wrote:
This sounds like what happens when we rush the QA processes...
Other distros had advance warning about this vulnerability, and hence
more time to apply patches
the configs were okay (and rebuilt if not) and
started sendmail in those cases, without issue, but...
By the way, I never saw any of the symlink issues myself for some reason.
But I did have sendmail.{mc/cf} issues, and failures to run after the
upgrade...
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the original without
saving it... I can see where this could hose your configuration in very
rare edge cases (like running out of disk space on the device while
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personal desktop machine at work.
But it is not how I would run my company or institution mail server or
web server or payroll system and so on.
In other words, what you say is all fine and dandy, if applied to the
correct situation. :)
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On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 21:49 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Fedora itself does not do it this way. I'd rather we didn't either.
I do recognize that the other Fedora Community Projects do, but I don't
consider us to be the same level as most of them
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On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 10:21 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
1) To consolidate all the projects in one place?
Yes,
Okay, then I guess we should scrape the web site asap and just use
the wiki instead for everything.
5) Some other reason or reasons
is the least satisfying project I've ever been involved with.
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I've added the following to the web site:
http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc3.php
and would appreciate testing, feedback, etc. Thanks!
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main http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legacy page.
Why? To me it seems we should have either one or the other, not both.
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On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 14:50 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Why do we have it in two places? That just leads to confusions and
things being out of sync.
Just make a new page named YumFC3Detailed and then link to it from the
main http
clues about using
the snapshot facilities provided by the tools to ease the process, as
well.
Yes, I agree. I would love to see this done. I would then be able
to use VM to test things also, which would be great.
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... which I've never seen.
It's been done and re-done so many times it makes my head spin.
Thanks,
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The problem is two fold:
1) You can't use Fedora standards for the RHL releases, only for the
Fedora releases.
2) This is a major change to the tenents that FL was founded on. Any such
change must be by consensus. We must establish if there is a consensus or
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Of course your choice...
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Quoting Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 15:45 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
The problem is two fold:
1) You can't use Fedora standards for the RHL releases, only for the
Fedora releases.
You are correct. However Fedora Legacy originally was just for Fedora.
It was my
administration, scripting and documentation. I currently
maintain the TLDP Kernel Rebuild Guide and am familiar with
the RPM build process.
Could use help with documentation if you'd like to help... Just let
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Welcome back! We'd appecriate any QA you can do to help out.
2. Location: McKinney, Texas, USA
If you're ever in the Austin area feel free to look me up ;)
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, instead of just having been installed.
Agreed, but I think we're still missing some steps.
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, we should finish it
and release it. New bugs that appear go into the next update of the
package.
Just my opionion though...
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or time management expert ;)
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it. Doing so would mean more consistency of
installation behaviour IMHO.
Your opinion may differ, and I respect that.
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Quoting Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:38 -0500, Eric Rostetter wrote:
I thought it was just a change to the yum package or something.
If it is a separate package, then I'm cool with it being enabled by
default. In that case, I would have to install
Steering Committee.
I guess we can, and should, leave that up to the Fedora Steering Committee
then. Basically you're saying it is their software, and hence they get
to make the rules.
-Jeff
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announcing it to the mailing list
and marking it as such in Bugzilla.
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, dispite all the other
work I did? Or maybe they can at least be a 0.5 vote?
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